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QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 15th July 2008, 11:01am) This page shows precisely what a joke RfA is. Why can't it just be a straight vote, with no comments? It would certainly remove a lot of the nastiness.
Because then, A would vote "oppose" on B's RFA, but without giving an explanation B would then come to A's talkpage to ask why, thus spreading the incoherent ramblings across multiple pages; at least this way it keeps all the bitching and backstabbing on a single page which is auto-archived after five days. I could make a case for a secret ballot of established editors (along the lines of the WMF election), although I suspect you'd get a lot of "opposes" for really lame reasons. At least forcing people to explain their actions prevents the cabal of 12 year olds, for instance, from blatantly block-voting their buddies through. The RFA process is undoubtedly a mess – lest we forget, it used to look like this – but nobody seems able to come up with a viable alternative. (I don't include "splitting the tools" as a viable alternative; even splitting off the relatively uncontroversial rollback function has caused huge amounts of idiocy and huge chunks of valid material "accidentaly" reverted. Once you get to the "high power" core admin functions, I can't imagine any grounds when I'd trust someone to block users but not to delete articles, for instance, so we'd still need an approval process for protect/block/delete.) This post has been edited by Eva Destruction:
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QUOTE(guy @ Tue 15th July 2008, 1:06pm) QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 15th July 2008, 12:24pm) The RFA process is undoubtedly a mess – lest we forget, it used to look like thisAh yes, much more civilised then. It's still like that on some of the minor wikis. It's amusing looking over those old admins and noting "Hey, there's Stevertigo, who got desysoped in a rather ugly way"; "Ah, RickK, the sockpuppeting sysop" (it's been conclusively proven now that Zoe and RickK are the same person, although the proof is not widely known); and of course Alex756, aka Alex Roshuk, who is well-known for leaving Wikipedia in a huff when Jimmy & Co. dememberized the Foundation.
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 15th July 2008, 3:24pm) QUOTE(guy @ Tue 15th July 2008, 1:06pm) QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 15th July 2008, 12:24pm) The RFA process is undoubtedly a mess – lest we forget, it used to look like thisAh yes, much more civilised then. It's still like that on some of the minor wikis. It's amusing looking over those old admins and noting "Hey, there's Stevertigo, who got desysoped in a rather ugly way"; "Ah, RickK, the sockpuppeting sysop" (it's been conclusively proven now that Zoe and RickK are the same person, although the proof is not widely known); and of course Alex756, aka Alex Roshuk, who is well-known for leaving Wikipedia in a huff when Jimmy & Co. dememberized the Foundation. RickK, as in " Poster boy of the automated tools brigade" RickK? This post has been edited by Eva Destruction:
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 16th July 2008, 5:38am) QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 15th July 2008, 10:28pm) I'd like to know more about this proof. I've always maintained RickK was one of the worst admins in WP history, but his legacy is much vaunted by some. A convincing display of evidence that he was engaged in such severe sockpuppetry would help in deflating the myth that such highly aggressive and unilateral admins can be a positive force.
The RickK and Zoe accounts both have the same password, and that password may be readily guessed from knowing RickK's email address, which is itself can be discovered with only moderate difficulty after analyzing some of Rick's comments on the wiki. Technically, since RickK and Zoe never overlapped editing, it's not abusive sockpuppetry as defined by Wikipedia. How did you come to learn that they have the same password? Who did all this research? I don't see how this proof can be substantiated. Given my interactions with Rick, it's easy for me to believe that he was up to something like this, but given my interactions with you, it's hard for me to believe you about anything. I just realized something that makes me think you're telling the truth, though: Rick and Zoe were both extremely touchy about having Jimbo's approval. Zoe left the project over that, and I believe Rick threatened to. It may have been the reason he left as well; I don't quite remember. He claimed something about vandals being respected and good contributors being maligned, but since he constantly abused good contributors I doubt that was the real reason.
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 16th July 2008, 11:40am) QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 16th July 2008, 1:40am) How did you come to learn that they have the same password? Who did all this research? I don't see how this proof can be substantiated. I am not going to discuss how we found this out, or who was involved in the research. It could be substantiated by logging into both accounts with the common password, but I'm not enough of a fool to post the password to a Wikipedia admin account on Wikipedia Review, or give it to you privately. Eventually, I would imagine, someone with a brain over in Wikiland will see this and decide to suspend both accounts as the security risk they are, but until they do... Publicizing this information in this way was highly inappropriate.
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Hey Kelly, I like your title 'Dangerously Abusive Bully', it's a good fit. Bullies always seem to be the biggest crybabies, you ever notice that? So after going an crying about me behind my back, I agreed to lay off you a bit. However, if you'd like some more feedback from me, by all means go and start dumping on Everyking again. QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 16th July 2008, 8:49am) QUOTE(Newyorkbrad @ Wed 16th July 2008, 10:46am) Publicizing this information in this way was highly inappropriate. Probably. However, as Thatcher was more than willing to tell me in email, nobody in Wikiland would have believed me anyway: QUOTE So you expect some steward to take your word for it, or you hope someone will figure it out and get up to mischief in order to get the accounts blocked or something? Tell me, Newyorkbrad, have you known me to lie? I read a book once about Bobby Fischer. In it, a psychiatrist who was a member of the Manhattan Chess Club when Bobby was a kid there said that Fischer was paranoid schizophrenic, and that like all paranoids he was incapable of lying. When Fischer says that 'so and so' has a 'world domination scheme', he really believed it. But that's beside the point. I tried a couple of giantsrick variations but didn't get in. I only know RickK's yahoo address. After the captua came on (third try) I lost interest. Any one know RickK's non-yahoo address? This post has been edited by Pumpkin Muffins:
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