SlimVirgin's melt down on the WikiEN-l, too much BS for even David Gerard Options

Looks like Slimmy is getting dressed down on WikiEN-l:
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<<Slimmy>> There was no reason at all to check the first account(s) that Lar checked.
<David Gerard> ... Please detail why you feel you are immune to checkuser.
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<<<Slimmy>>> Both the first and second editor were affected by this. The first abandoned the checked accounts because Lar is not trusted.
<<Luna>> Lar is not trusted? Why not? By whom? ...
<David Gerard>Indeed. Casual slander is not a robust method of policy formation.
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<David Katz>SlimVirgin has abusively sockpuppeted before - as Sweet Blue Water if my memory is correct - a sock which she tag teamed with on articles and used to vote twice in some instances. I don't think she's in a position to get self righteous that anyone would think she might be sockpuppeting again, particularly as she's never apologized or explained the SWB sock.
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And for the grand finale, from Larry himself;

Sarah:

I've been mostly staying out of addressing your allegations because I rather
hoped that, given the amount of discussion and investigation there was about
the whole thing, that this matter had been settled some time ago. I also
refrained from giving detail in order to preserve the privacy of all
involved as much as possible. I intend to hew to that and not give detail
here either. However I just cannot allow this canard of yours to stand
without correction.

> There was no reason at all to check the first account(s) that
> Lar checked. If you know some of the details of the case, and
> I assume you do (though I also know you don't know all of
> them), you'll know that he had no grounds *whatsoever* to
> perform the first check,

Patently false, and repeating it won't make it true. There was a very good
reason for the initial check. I performed the initial check based on my
judgement that a good and valid request for a check had been presented to
me. An ombudsman reviewed the request I was given and agreed with me that I
had good reason to run the check. You conveniently fail to mention that.

> or the second

As every good checkuser does, I follow checks where they lead. And when they
lead to surprising results, as this one did, I don't go public without close
consultation with my colleagues. Which is what happened in this case. After
consultation, there was no need to make the results public or act further on
them, and every good reason to not do so. You conveniently fail to mention
that as well.

> but it was assumed and hoped that both checks might lead to me.

You assume too much, I think. Unless of course your real reason for raising
this is to try to damage my reputation in order to win unrelated disputes, a
tactic that I think will increasingly fail you going forward, as more people
realise you do so.

> He performed the check upon the private request of a troublemaker who has
been harassing me for over a year.

I think you overplay the harassment card sometimes. This is one of those
times.

Others have advised you that this matter is settled. Let it be. Stop trying
to smear people.

Larry Pieniazek

No, despite all the thunder she's been spouting, only the fact that they were done was released...no data.

No, despite all the thunder she's been spouting, only the fact that they were done was released...no data.

I'm sure it's one of Slimvirgins's pathological "I'm a victim, I'm a victim" ploys.

Both her and Durova do this.

Again, there's got to be some kind of neuroleptic for this syndrome. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

I'm sure it's one of Slimvirgins's pathological "I'm a victim, I'm a victim" ploys.

That is exactly what it is. She is running around waving the victim flag, while at the same time refusing to avail herself of any of the dispute resolution options available to her. It is shameful and disgusting; why the community continues to tolerate such disruptive and narcissistic behavior is beyond me.

I'm sure it's one of Slimvirgins's pathological "I'm a victim, I'm a victim" ploys.

That is exactly what it is. She is running around waving the victim flag, while at the same time refusing to avail herself of any of the dispute resolution options available to her. It is shameful and disgusting; why the community continues to tolerate such disruptive and narcissistic behavior is beyond me.

It's obvious to me why *she* does it. It is distraction. In fact, it's rather patently boring normal behavior in the US politics/media sphere. Anytime someone accuses of X then suddenly throw your entire bodyweight (or in Slim's case, the desk she's sitting in if not the building) at another more compelling topic: your own victimization.

You've got to give it to her for how talented she is at this. It's pathetic, as a career skill, but credit where credit is due.

This bizarre behavior of hers has prevented her from being held to account for a goodly amount of time. And let's face it: It's the status quo for people in politics in the present day. It's how the newer awareness of sensitivity and psychology get misused, if not abused, by persons attempting to turn it on it's head - serving to confuse the well-meaning masses. Slim's behavior is rather normal, for anyone in politics in the U.S. today. It's media manipulation of perception. This is her forté.

As for the people who buy it. Well, most people are not all that terrifically smart. Wikipedia is only a sampling of that phenom.

Slim banks on that she's smarter than her adversaries.

When that falls through she's left squealing louder. More recently like a stuck pig.

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I'm sure it's one of Slimvirgins's pathological "I'm a victim, I'm a victim" ploys.

That is exactly what it is. She is running around waving the victim flag, while at the same time refusing to avail herself of any of the dispute resolution options available to her. It is shameful and disgusting; why the community continues to tolerate such disruptive and narcissistic behavior is beyond me.

It's obvious to me why *she* does it. It is distraction. In fact, it's rather patently boring normal behavior in the US politics/media sphere. Anytime someone accuses of X then suddenly throw your entire bodyweight (or in Slim's case, the desk she's sitting in if not the building) at another more compelling topic: your own victimization.

You've got to give it to her for how talented she is at this. It's pathetic, as a career skill, but credit where credit is due.

This bizarre behavior of hers has prevented her from being held to account for a goodly amount of time. And let's face it: It's the status quo for people in politics in the present day. It's how the newer awareness of sensitivity and psychology get misused, if not abused, by persons attempting to turn it on it's head - serving to confuse the well-meaning masses. Slim's behavior is rather normal, for anyone in politics in the U.S. today. It's media manipulation of perception. This is her forté.

As for the people who buy it. Well, most people are not all that terrifically smart. Wikipedia is only a sampling of that phenom.

Slim banks on that she's smarter than her adversaries.

When that falls through she's left squealing louder. More recently like a stuck pig.

What is interesting to me though is how she essentially brought this all down on herself in the first place. If she never created the original stub on Brandt in the first place, would this guy have been alerted to and subsequently taken such an active interest in her activities or in WP politics at all? I entirely doubt it. If she hadn't written that stub, the Seigenthaler and Essjay incidents would not have unfolded the way they did, with Brandt ramming the issues through and the WP community essentially blaming him and WR for exposing their problems.

It would seem to me that this LM/SV is in a similar situation as GW/MM was. That may be why she was so willing to support him, apart from the supposed Bryne-Cambridge connection. GW/MM's COI activities on the site against Patrick Bryne attracted a "nakedly" hostile response from JB/Wordbomb, that would have caused LM to feel sympathy for GW, as her own activities were already under a similar kind of heat from Brandt, so it was probably easy for her to view GW/MM as a fellow "journalist" and "victim of harassment," even though these guys were only trying, in their own respective ways, to correct the problems that these two entirely unethical "journalists" and "Wikipedians in good standing" were creating for them.

It would seem to me the only solution for the WP community would be for it to admit that it was played by Slim Virgin as much as it was by Mantanmoreland, and promptly ban all forms of the account. Because Jimbo, fool that he is, is not going to countermand his prior support for her, and because she's written so many of the policies they interpret and apply remedies based on, the Arbitration Committee is not going to be able to do this. It really would require a popular revolution, in the French sense of the term.

It would seem to me the only solution for the WP community would be for it to admit that it was played by Slim Virgin as much as it was by Mantanmoreland, and promptly ban all forms of the account. Because Jimbo, fool that he is, is not going to countermand his prior support for her, and because she's written so many of the policies they interpret and apply remedies based on, the Arbitration Committee is not going to be able to do this. It really would require a popular revolution, in the French sense of the term.

Theme already suggested: "LET THEM EAT DOG!"

It is indeed amazing how much damage SV has done in one way or another, and how much damage WP has tolerated rather than do something about her. I think, all in all, the only things Jimbo has tolerated more damage from on WP than SV, is his own policies and the delictations associated with his daliances.

I think, based upon history, we might even nominally begin to construct a "Jimmy Wales Relative Importance Scale," starting from #1 importance to him, and moving down:

1) Own pecker
2) Own policies
3) SlimVirgin
4) JzG
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