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Get a load of this editor. Yes, it's British Isles Bardcom. This guy has had it in for the British Isles for a while now, but has been losing arguments about getting rid of the article. So what's he doing about it? He's delinking it! Yes, this anti-British Leprechaun from Dublin is trawling the entire encyclopedia and removing every reference he finds to the British Isles. He's been at it for months now and so far has removed several hundred links to the main article. There's no stopping him. Every reason under the sun is given for getting rid of the dreaded term. Some of them are quite laughable. Sometimes he claims OR, often there's no reference, so out it goes. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif)
Funny thing is, it seems that Wikipedia is supporting him in this anti-British POV. A few have tried to stop him, but none have so far succeeded. Old Bardy has the world's longest watchlist - he watches EVERY article he's ever had the pleasure of removing British Isles from, and if anyone is foolish enough to re-instate it he calls them a vandal and threatens to block them. Not that he's an admin you understand. Not yet, anyway, but he seems lke suitable material. Oh yes, and there's the ad hominem (or ad homineN as he likes to call it) attack, that everyone whose had any dealings with him has been accused of. Right now he's facing an RfA and he's also had an RfC, but he breezed through that and looks like doing the same with the RfA. He's so far managed to deflect all criticism and continues on his quest to rid the world of the British Isles. Reckon it'll be September time when the main article doesn't link to anything anymore, then it can go as well. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) But there's good sport to be had here. At his most prodigious the old bugger gets rid of one BI link a minute and it's hard to keep up the reverts, but why not give it a go. Next time you spot him on a campaign revert his changes as fast as he's making them. You end up with dozens of simultaneous edit wars; it's bloody good fun I can tell you. But then you get banned, like I did. So do it as an IP. That really gets him going. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bardcom |
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It's very simple. You use whichever term is more informative and appropriate in the context. It is more informative to say that Cork is in Ireland than in the British Isles. On the other hand, it is more informative to say that the Shannon is the longest river in the British Isles than that it is the longest river in Ireland.
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It's very simple. You use whichever term is more informative and appropriate in the context. It is more informative to say that Cork is in Ireland than in the British Isles. On the other hand, it is more informative to say that the Shannon is the longest river in the British Isles than that it is the longest river in Ireland. |
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It's very simple. You use whichever term is more informative and appropriate in the context. It is more informative to say that Cork is in Ireland than in the British Isles. On the other hand, it is more informative to say that the Shannon is the longest river in the British Isles than that it is the longest river in Ireland. Ireland certainly isn't a British isle. The term British Isles is irrelevant since 1920, and is not being used any longer. It's an old political term from the empire days. Some British people still use the term because of Northern Ireland. |
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Ireland certainly isn't a British isle. The term British Isles is irrelevant since 1920, and is not being used any longer. It's an old political term from the empire days. Some British people still use the term because of Northern Ireland. And there we have the problem in a nutshell. Anti-British people don't like the term and will never use it. Of course, a large chunk of Ireland is (to their disgust, but with the support of the majority of people living there) still part of the United Kingdom. And "some British people" is an odd phrase. The overwhelming majority of British people do, as do most people in Australia, for example. And what alternative is there other than "these islands" (unhelpful outside the British Isles) or some cumbersome pharase like "The United Kingdom, Eire, the Isle of Man and let's have an argument about the Channel Isles"? |
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Ireland certainly isn't a British isle. The term British Isles is irrelevant since 1920, and is not being used any longer. It's an old political term from the empire days. Some British people still use the term because of Northern Ireland. And there we have the problem in a nutshell. Anti-British people don't like the term and will never use it. Of course, a large chunk of Ireland is (to their disgust, but with the support of the majority of people living there) still part of the United Kingdom. And "some British people" is an odd phrase. The overwhelming majority of British people do, as do most people in Australia, for example. And what alternative is there other than "these islands" (unhelpful outside the British Isles) or some cumbersome pharase like "The United Kingdom, Eire, the Isle of Man and let's have an argument about the Channel Isles"? I have heard the term used in New Zealand, and once in Australia, otherwise most people don't understand what the term means. Nobody seems to know if the Channel Islands are included or not, so it's all very ambiguous and unclear. Then the argument gets into whether the Faroe Islands should be included, as they were formed at the same geological time etc etc. "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining good coinage, as it is a neutral name and includes all of the islands of that area, including the Faroe Islands, and Iceland. This post has been edited by guy: |
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Ireland certainly isn't a British isle. The term British Isles is irrelevant since 1920, and is not being used any longer. It's an old political term from the empire days. Some British people still use the term because of Northern Ireland. And there we have the problem in a nutshell. Anti-British people don't like the term and will never use it. Of course, a large chunk of Ireland is (to their disgust, but with the support of the majority of people living there) still part of the United Kingdom. And "some British people" is an odd phrase. The overwhelming majority of British people do, as do most people in Australia, for example. And what alternative is there other than "these islands" (unhelpful outside the British Isles) or some cumbersome pharase like "The United Kingdom, Eire, the Isle of Man and let's have an argument about the Channel Isles"? I have heard the term used in New Zealand, and once in Australia, otherwise most people don't understand what the term means. Nobody seems to know if the Channel Islands are included or not, so it's all very ambiguous and unclear. Then the argument gets into whether the Faroe Islands should be included, as they were formed at the same geological time etc etc. "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining good coinage, as it is a neutral name and includes all of the islands of that area, including the Faroe Islands, and Iceland. Good coinage! lol! If you keep saying it it must be true. How about the Atlantis Archipelago? |
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Ireland certainly isn't a British isle. The term British Isles is irrelevant since 1920, and is not being used any longer. It's an old political term from the empire days. Some British people still use the term because of Northern Ireland. And there we have the problem in a nutshell. Anti-British people don't like the term and will never use it. Of course, a large chunk of Ireland is (to their disgust, but with the support of the majority of people living there) still part of the United Kingdom. And "some British people" is an odd phrase. The overwhelming majority of British people do, as do most people in Australia, for example. And what alternative is there other than "these islands" (unhelpful outside the British Isles) or some cumbersome pharase like "The United Kingdom, Eire, the Isle of Man and let's have an argument about the Channel Isles"? I have heard the term used in New Zealand, and once in Australia, otherwise most people don't understand what the term means. Nobody seems to know if the Channel Islands are included or not, so it's all very ambiguous and unclear. Then the argument gets into whether the Faroe Islands should be included, as they were formed at the same geological time etc etc. "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining good coinage, as it is a neutral name and includes all of the islands of that area, including the Faroe Islands, and Iceland. Good coinage! lol! If you keep saying it it must be true. How about the Atlantis Archipelago? You sound a bit of a deranged British nationalist PowerPerson! And I'm only two, not 6, so I need to be cut some slack. I'm chuckling at the idea you have that I can't cut it in big bad Wiki Review - I reckon if you can most anyone could! Regards to Susan. And New Zealand and Australia are British Isles They are British islands (not Isles) in the sense that they are former British colonies. How much more then is Ireland a British island in that it was formerly entirely within the United Kingdom, and part of it still is. I welcome Gold heart's agreement with me. The down-unders still tip their hats at the queen. In a sense it makes them british still. I can see where GH is coming from. The irish get violently ill at the very thought (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Sure, ireland used be british - so used the usa for that matter. Imagine the scene from the "life of brian" taking place in dublin? "blah, blah,,,,,,blah" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I believe we can thank the Turks for modern universities, as in University of Constantinople, and the Irish did their bit by spreading learning throughout Britain and Europe in the dark ages. Getting back to the nub of the problem. Some editors are removing the name Ireland from the encyclopedia, and replacing it with British Isles. To me, being partly English myself too, it seems a very strange mission indeed. I'm afraid that Wikipedia is being used for political or patriotic purposes, which is very disappointing, and may well indeed irrevocably damage the project's credibility if allowed to proceed, in that good editors will not be inclined to continue with an encyclopedia that is subject to orchestration. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/mellow.gif) "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining good coinage, as it is a neutral name and includes all of the islands of that area, including the Faroe Islands, and Iceland. Good coinage! lol! If you keep saying it it must be true. How about the Atlantis Archipelago? "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining common currency among geographers, as it includes the Faroe Islands area, which was formed at the same period. Channel Islands, which geologically connect with France, are not included. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I asked him for an award and he kindly obliged. He's what we'd call a "sound man". Nothing to do with acoustics. Ireland certainly isn't a British isle. The term British Isles is irrelevant since 1920, and is not being used any longer. It's an old political term from the empire days. Some British people still use the term because of Northern Ireland. And there we have the problem in a nutshell. Anti-British people don't like the term and will never use it. Of course, a large chunk of Ireland is (to their disgust, but with the support of the majority of people living there) still part of the United Kingdom. And "some British people" is an odd phrase. The overwhelming majority of British people do, as do most people in Australia, for example. And what alternative is there other than "these islands" (unhelpful outside the British Isles) or some cumbersome pharase like "The United Kingdom, Eire, the Isle of Man and let's have an argument about the Channel Isles"? I have heard the term used in New Zealand, and once in Australia, otherwise most people don't understand what the term means. Nobody seems to know if the Channel Islands are included or not, so it's all very ambiguous and unclear. Then the argument gets into whether the Faroe Islands should be included, as they were formed at the same geological time etc etc. "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining good coinage, as it is a neutral name and includes all of the islands of that area, including the Faroe Islands, and Iceland. Good coinage! lol! If you keep saying it it must be true. How about the Atlantis Archipelago? You sound a bit of a deranged British nationalist PowerPerson! And I'm only two, not 6, so I need to be cut some slack. I'm chuckling at the idea you have that I can't cut it in big bad Wiki Review - I reckon if you can most anyone could! Regards to Susan. And New Zealand and Australia are British Isles They are British islands (not Isles) in the sense that they are former British colonies. How much more then is Ireland a British island in that it was formerly entirely within the United Kingdom, and part of it still is. I welcome Gold heart's agreement with me. The down-unders still tip their hats at the queen. In a sense it makes them british still. I can see where GH is coming from. The irish get violently ill at the very thought (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Sure, ireland used be british - so used the usa for that matter. Imagine the scene from the "life of brian" taking place in dublin? "blah, blah,,,,,,blah" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I believe we can thank the Turks for modern universities, as in University of Constantinople, and the Irish did their bit by spreading learning throughout Britain and Europe in the dark ages. Getting back to the nub of the problem. Some editors are removing the name Ireland from the encyclopedia, and replacing it with British Isles. To me, being partly English myself too, it seems a very strange mission indeed. I'm afraid that Wikipedia is being used for political or patriotic purposes, which is very disappointing, and may well indeed irrevocably damage the project's credibility if allowed to proceed, in that good editors will not be inclined to continue with an encyclopedia that is subject to orchestration. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/mellow.gif) "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining good coinage, as it is a neutral name and includes all of the islands of that area, including the Faroe Islands, and Iceland. Good coinage! lol! If you keep saying it it must be true. How about the Atlantis Archipelago? "The Atlantic Archipelago" is gaining common currency among geographers, as it includes the Faroe Islands area, which was formed at the same period. Channel Islands, which geologically connect with France, are not included. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I asked him for an award and he kindly obliged. He's what we'd call a "sound man". Nothing to do with acoustics. No matter what I reply to it ends up here...I guess one is doing something wrong. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wacko.gif) |
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