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http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?titl...=User%3AMoulton
http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity..._for_incivility QUOTE Block of Moulton for incivility After discussion with other admins, in which I was requested to personally make this block, I have indef blocked Moulton from this project. It is my belief that he was not here in a good faith effort to create learning materials, but rather was here to carry out his ongoing campaign against people who he thinks treated him unfairly at Wikipedia. After reviewing his case at Wikipedia, I think this is clearly not the case: he was properly blocked at Wikipedia, and should be blocked on sight from any Wikimedia project where he surfaces with a similar agenda. I would recommend that a significant number of the attack pages be deleted, and the project protected at least for now, pending a good community discussion of what something like this should look like. There are always difficult growing pains for young commuities; I have seen it in many languages and many projects. I encourage Wikiversity to review the "ethics" project - which, it seems to me could be an interesting project if handled appropriately - with an eye towards developing principles for dealing with such projects in the future. One idea that I would like to propose is an explicit ban on "case studies" using real examples of non-notable people, in exchange for hypotheticals. I would also like to encourage you to consider clarifying the scope of Wikiversity to make it more clear that it is not a place for people to come and build attack pages in the guise of learning materials. In any event, I hope that my action here will be viewed as helpful. I did not act quickly, but only after discussion with important people, and only after hearing that 3 bureaucrats support this action. It is not my intention to be the "God King" of Wikiversity, although I do request that this block only be overturned upon a very careful consideration of the possible implications for the future of the project. The first major internal conflict and ban is always tough. My thoughts are with you, and I wish you well.--Jimbo Wales 19:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Anthropologist from Mars ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 10,222 Joined: From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 ![]() |
The discussion on Wikiversity regarding Jimbo's unprecedented actions there continues to unfold in the Colloquium.
Just as AN/Moulton hopelessly divided the community at WP, Jimbo's unexplained intervention at Wikiversity has similarly deeply divided that community. In the meantime, Ottava Rima has contacted Rosalind Picard and received feedback from her. Regarding her WP BLP, Picard writes, "I can quibble with a few other things here and there but I won't, and besides the bio is so much better now than it was when I was receiving a large number of harassing emails from a man named Don Hopkins." If anyone is curious about those "harassing emails" arising from the false and defamatory content in that BLP, I was on the copy-to list and received them too. I will make them public to anyone who does not wish to remain mindlessly oblivious of the considerable harm caused by IDCab's persistent publication of those demonstrably false and defamatory claims regarding Picard's purported view of Creationism vs. Evolution. |
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The discussion on Wikiversity regarding Jimbo's unprecedented actions there continues to unfold in the Colloquium. Just as AN/Moulton hopelessly divided the community at WP, Jimbo's unexplained intervention at Wikiversity has similarly deeply divided that community. In the meantime, Ottava Rima has contacted Rosalind Picard and received feedback from her. Regarding her WP BLP, Picard writes, "I can quibble with a few other things here and there but I won't, and besides the bio is so much better now than it was when I was receiving a large number of harassing emails from a man named Don Hopkins." If anyone is curious about those "harassing emails" arising from the false and defamatory content in that BLP, I was on the copy-to list and received them too. I will make them public to anyone who does not wish to remain mindlessly oblivious of the considerable harm caused by IDCab's persistent publication of those demonstrably false and defamatory claims regarding Picard's purported view of Creationism vs. Evolution. Moulton, as improper as Jimbo's action was, it's clear the WV community isn't entirely comfortable with what you were doing. Why don't you just promise to stop doing what they object to and see if they'll let you back in? |
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Anthropologist from Mars ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 10,222 Joined: From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 ![]() |
How to Play Bomis Boyzâ„¢ Bondage and Discipline Games, WMF Style
The discussion on Wikiversity regarding Jimbo's unprecedented actions there continues to unfold in the Colloquium. Just as AN/Moulton hopelessly divided the community at WP, Jimbo's unexplained intervention at Wikiversity has similarly deeply divided that community. In the meantime, Ottava Rima has contacted Rosalind Picard and received feedback from her. Regarding her WP BLP, Picard writes, "I can quibble with a few other things here and there but I won't, and besides the bio is so much better now than it was when I was receiving a large number of harassing emails from a man named Don Hopkins." If anyone is curious about those "harassing emails" arising from the false and defamatory content in that BLP, I was on the copy-to list and received them too. I will make them public to anyone who does not wish to remain mindlessly oblivious of the considerable harm caused by IDCab's persistent publication of those demonstrably false and defamatory claims regarding Picard's purported view of Creationism vs. Evolution. Moulton, as improper as Jimbo's action was, it's clear the WV community isn't entirely comfortable with what you were doing. Why don't you just promise to stop doing what they object to and see if they'll let you back in? What I'm doing that they take vigorous exception to is Bearing Accurate Witness in accordance with Wikiversity Policy on Scholarly Ethics. I accept that it is an egregious and unforgivable violation of WMF policy to Bear Accurate Witness in accordance with the Principles of Scholarly Ethics, and that I will predictably be roundly excoriated, blocked, banned, bound, gagged, kicked, and unceremoniously locked up in the hall closet for having the If it was good enough for Socrates, Beckett, Galileo, Mendel, and Darwin, Piaget, and Speilrein, it's good enough for me. Let them do their damage. It's only a Post-Modern Theater of the Absurd Comic Opera. |
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I accept that it is an egregious and unforgivable violation of WMF policy to [b]Bear Accurate Witness in accordance with the Principles of Scholarly Ethics, and that I will predictably be roundly excoriated, blocked, banned, bound, gagged, kicked, and unceremoniously locked up in the hall closet for having the If it was good enough for Socrates, Beckett, Galileo, Mendel, and Darwin, Piaget, and Speilrein, it's good enough for me. Knock off the martyr routine. You've been engaged in a crusade, not scholarship. The only reason you've gotten blocked and your talk page protected at WV is because you made damn sure they had no other choice. I have a hard time believing you didn't know exactly what would happen when you posted an email with the full header on your talk page. At least Rosalind Picard has the good sense to realize that Wikipedia is, in the big picture, not that big of a deal. Really, getting your user space deleted was "reminiscent of Kristalnacht"? Is that your "scholarly" assessment? Remind me, just how many people died as a result of that deletion? Arrested? Injured? Lost property? Really bad paper cut? Frankly, I don't think I plan on supporting any unblock action on WV until you can stop acting like a jackass. Like the latter part of Norman McLaren's short film Neighbours (from my sig), you seem to have lost all perspective regarding any tangible goal, and just fight for the sake of the fight. |
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Anthropologist from Mars ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 10,222 Joined: From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 ![]() |
I accept that it is an egregious and unforgivable violation of WMF policy to Bear Accurate Witness in accordance with the Principles of Scholarly Ethics, and that I will predictably be roundly excoriated, blocked, banned, bound, gagged, kicked, and unceremoniously locked up in the hall closet for having the If it was good enough for Socrates, Beckett, Galileo, Mendel, and Darwin, Piaget, and Speilrein, it's good enough for me. Knock off the martyr routine. You've been engaged in a crusade, not scholarship. The only reason you've gotten blocked and your talk page protected at WV is because you made damn sure they had no other choice. I have a hard time believing you didn't know exactly what would happen when you posted an email with the full header on your talk page. At least Rosalind Picard has the good sense to realize that Wikipedia is, in the big picture, not that big of a deal. Really, getting your user space deleted was "reminiscent of Kristalnacht"? Is that your "scholarly" assessment? Remind me, just how many people died as a result of that deletion? Arrested? Injured? Lost property? Really bad paper cut? Frankly, I don't think I plan on supporting any unblock action on WV until you can stop acting like a jackass. Like the latter part of Norman McLaren's short film Neighbours (from my sig), you seem to have lost all perspective regarding any tangible goal, and just fight for the sake of the fight. They had another choice. They could have decided to advance from Kohlberg Level Four (Anankastic Machiavellianism) to Kohlberg Level Five (Rawlsian Social Contract Model). What died was any claim to being an authentic encyclopedia, crafted by authentic scholars with authentic credentials, who defend their scholarship with authentic peer review. |
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They had another choice. They could have decided to advance from Kohlberg Level Four (Anankastic Machiavellianism) to Kohlberg Level Five (Rawlsian Social Contract Model). So if it was you and JWScmidt vs... the entire rest of the WMF, did you ever even consider you may the one that's wrong, or are you too smart to admit that that you weren't smart enough? |
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Ï„á½° δΠμοι παθήματα μαθήματα γÎγονε ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,783 Joined: From: Meat Puppet Nation Member No.: 5,619 ![]() |
They had another choice. They could have decided to advance from Kohlberg Level Four (Anankastic Machiavellianism) to Kohlberg Level Five (Rawlsian Social Contract Model). So if it was you and JWSchmidt vs … the entire rest of the WMF, did you ever even consider you may the one that's wrong, or are you too smart to admit that that you weren't smart enough? I nominate Rootology for State Of Florida Elections Commissioner. Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jon Awbrey: |
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Fat Cat ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 1,489 Joined: Member No.: 877 ![]() |
They had another choice. They could have decided to advance from Kohlberg Level Four (Anankastic Machiavellianism) to Kohlberg Level Five (Rawlsian Social Contract Model). So if it was you and JWScmidt vs … the entire rest of the WMF, did you ever even consider you may the one that's wrong, or are you too smart to admit that that you weren't smart enough? I nominate Rootology for State Of Florida Elections Commissioner. Sadly, the winners do get to write history in some cases... But seriously, who exactly in the WMF besides Scmidt supported Moulton's Quixotic mission to apply his personal utopian vision of what an online project should be? |
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Ï„á½° δΠμοι παθήματα μαθήματα γÎγονε ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,783 Joined: From: Meat Puppet Nation Member No.: 5,619 ![]() |
But seriously, who exactly in the WMF besides Schmidt supported Moulton's Quixotic mission to apply his personal utopian vision of what an online project should be? O G, I would have supported his Academic Freedom to continue the inquiry in question, but I found out rather quickly that any notion of Academic Freedom is a total freaking joke at Cabalversity, as it is in all other WMF spaces. "You have the right to remain ignorant" — that's the only freedom they fight for there. Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jon Awbrey: |
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General Gato ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 1,648 Joined: From: God's Ain Country Member No.: 1,116 ![]() |
O G, I would have supported his Academic Freedom to continue the inquiry in question, but I found out rather quickly that any notion of Academic Freedom is a total freaking joke at Cabalversity, as it is in all other WMF spaces. "You have the right to remain ignorant" — that's the only freedom they fight for there. Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) Well, not just any ignorance, but rather wiki-approved brand ignorance. It's all about the branding. So sayeth the Jimbo. Praise and glory to his name! Let us prey . . . . |
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Ï„á½° δΠμοι παθήματα μαθήματα γÎγονε ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,783 Joined: From: Meat Puppet Nation Member No.: 5,619 ![]() |
O G, I would have supported his Academic Freedom to continue the inquiry in question, but I found out rather quickly that any notion of Academic Freedom is a total freaking joke at Cabalversity, as it is in all other WMF spaces. "You have the right to remain ignorant" — that's the only freedom they fight for there. Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) Well, not just any ignorance, but rather wiki-approved brand ignorance. It's all about the branding. So sayeth the Jimbo. Praise and glory to his name! Let us prey . . . . I was away for a while, so I must have missed all that. My main problem with Moulton at present is that his current practice is Anti-Educational. It took me only a few days at Cabalversity to realize that anything I contributed or discussed there would be deleted or shoved under some rug or another in very short order. Moulton must know this — so he puts himself beyond much sympathy when it finally happens. But the most anti-educational thing that Moulton is doing is accepting the under-lying premisses of participation in WMF sites, and thus he feeds the lie even as he plays patty-cake with it. Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jon Awbrey: |
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Ï„á½° δΠμοι παθήματα μαθήματα γÎγονε ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,783 Joined: From: Meat Puppet Nation Member No.: 5,619 ![]() |
It took me only a few days at Cabalversity to realize that anything I contributed or discussed there would be deleted or shoved under some rug or another in very short order. Please provide links to the pages that were deleted. A fine custodian you make! I've been parading this elephant through the principal's office for a couple of weeks now, and you just now show up with your Wiki-Pachydermy Bag? Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) |
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Ãœber Pokemon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 2,917 Joined: Member No.: 7,328 ![]() |
A fine custodian you make! I've been parading this elephant through the principal's office for a couple of weeks now, and you just now show up with your Wiki-Pachydermy Bag? Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) I gave you plenty of time to provide links to what you felt was unfairly deleted. Why not? I can't read your mind. I can provide a complete list, however, according to the delete log of Jon Awbrey, it is blank. So. Come on. Out with it. Edit - both Jon Awbrey and JonAwbrey accounts at Wikiversity have a blank "Deleted user contributions" log. This post has been edited by Ottava: |
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Ï„á½° δΠμοι παθήματα μαθήματα γÎγονε ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 6,783 Joined: From: Meat Puppet Nation Member No.: 5,619 ![]() |
A fine custodian you make! I've been parading this elephant through the principal's office for a couple of weeks now, and you just now show up with your Wiki-Pachydermy Bag? Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) I gave you plenty of time to provide links to what you felt was unfairly deleted. Why not? I can't read your mind. I can provide a complete list, however, according to the delete log of Jon Awbrey, it is blank. So. Come on. Out with it. Edit — both Jon Awbrey and JonAwbrey accounts at Wikiversity have a blank "Deleted user contributions" log. You do understand that I was speaking English when I used the word "delete", don't you? Not whatever dialect of WP:RoboBleep you are speaking? Clues 4 Duh Clueless Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) This post has been edited by Jon Awbrey: |
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