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Official link: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2008List or arbiters whose terms expire:1. Blnguyen2. Charles Matthews3. James F.4. Morven5. ThebainerExpiring arbiters who have said they will not seek re-election:(Please reply with others who have said as much, I'll update this top level post)1. Morven ( here) Expiring arbiters who have previously won re-election:(Please reply with others who have pulled this off, I'll update this top level post)1. ? Number of open seats (normal): 5, plus one extra open one since Paul August retired, for 6 total. Paul's spot is only good to December 2009, when he would have expired anyway. The others are currently set to be the normal 3 years. This post has been edited by Rootology:
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MBisanz has compiled a list of all the people who are confirmed and likely to run: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MBisanz/ACE2008Confirmed: Aaron Brenneman Bishzilla Coren Hersfold Jdforrester Jehochman SirFozzie Wizardman Likely: Carcharoth Catherine de Burgh Fish and karate Gwen Gale Rlevse The Fat Man Who Never Came Back WJBscribe Nice to see that J D "FeloniousMonk's contributions are worth more than Cla68's" Forrester is going to be in the running. I never had a chance to oppose him with a nasty comment before.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:09pm) QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:28pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:05pm) It's a pretty poor selection this year, I must say.
The individuals in the race don't matter. Whoever is hand-picked for the job, they'll still be Jimbo's pet chimps. Arbcom elections are a pretend vote for a pretend court. Last time Jimbo appointed someone was in February 2007, when he appointed Mackensen to replace Dmcdevit, and Essjay as an extra. Mackensen had previously been on ArbCom, and resigned in good standing. Prior to that, was September 2005. I doubt he'll be doing it again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...tions#Elections"Since then, Arbitrators have been appointed based on the results of advisory elections held annually. Jimbo does not consider himself bound by the results of the elections, but generally has appointed Arbitrators from among the candidates with the highest percentage of positive votes (Jimmy has stated he will not appoint someone having under 50% support)." Are you saying that page is inaccurate?
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QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:21pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:09pm) QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:28pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:05pm) It's a pretty poor selection this year, I must say.
The individuals in the race don't matter. Whoever is hand-picked for the job, they'll still be Jimbo's pet chimps. Arbcom elections are a pretend vote for a pretend court. Last time Jimbo appointed someone was in February 2007, when he appointed Mackensen to replace Dmcdevit, and Essjay as an extra. Mackensen had previously been on ArbCom, and resigned in good standing. Prior to that, was September 2005. I doubt he'll be doing it again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...tions#Elections"Since then, Arbitrators have been appointed based on the results of advisory elections held annually. Jimbo does not consider himself bound by the results of the elections, but generally has appointed Arbitrators from among the candidates with the highest percentage of positive votes (Jimmy has stated he will not appoint someone having under 50% support)." Are you saying that page is inaccurate? If Jimbo's appointments accurately reflect the results of the election, then those appointed arbitrators are not automatically "Jimbo's pet chimps".
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QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:25pm) QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:21pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:09pm) QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:28pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:05pm) It's a pretty poor selection this year, I must say.
The individuals in the race don't matter. Whoever is hand-picked for the job, they'll still be Jimbo's pet chimps. Arbcom elections are a pretend vote for a pretend court. Last time Jimbo appointed someone was in February 2007, when he appointed Mackensen to replace Dmcdevit, and Essjay as an extra. Mackensen had previously been on ArbCom, and resigned in good standing. Prior to that, was September 2005. I doubt he'll be doing it again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...tions#Elections"Since then, Arbitrators have been appointed based on the results of advisory elections held annually. Jimbo does not consider himself bound by the results of the elections, but generally has appointed Arbitrators from among the candidates with the highest percentage of positive votes (Jimmy has stated he will not appoint someone having under 50% support)." Are you saying that page is inaccurate? If Jimbo's appointments accurately reflect the results of the election, then those appointed arbitrators are not automatically "Jimbo's pet chimps". Sure they are. Anyone who might actually want to rock the wikiboat would be excluded. "Arbcom" is just another map in the game of wikipedia. It has a symbolic role for the serfs, but its actual role is extremely limited. It's composition is irrelevant - any random group of labourers will be as effective as any other.
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QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:44pm) QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:25pm) QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:21pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 6:09pm) QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:28pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Thu 16th October 2008, 5:05pm) It's a pretty poor selection this year, I must say.
The individuals in the race don't matter. Whoever is hand-picked for the job, they'll still be Jimbo's pet chimps. Arbcom elections are a pretend vote for a pretend court. Last time Jimbo appointed someone was in February 2007, when he appointed Mackensen to replace Dmcdevit, and Essjay as an extra. Mackensen had previously been on ArbCom, and resigned in good standing. Prior to that, was September 2005. I doubt he'll be doing it again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...tions#Elections"Since then, Arbitrators have been appointed based on the results of advisory elections held annually. Jimbo does not consider himself bound by the results of the elections, but generally has appointed Arbitrators from among the candidates with the highest percentage of positive votes (Jimmy has stated he will not appoint someone having under 50% support)." Are you saying that page is inaccurate? If Jimbo's appointments accurately reflect the results of the election, then those appointed arbitrators are not automatically "Jimbo's pet chimps". Sure they are. Anyone who might actually want to rock the wikiboat would be excluded. "Arbcom" is just another map in the game of wikipedia. It has a symbolic role for the serfs, but its actual role is extremely limited. It's composition is irrelevant - any random group of labourers will be as effective as any other. While I abhor Jimbo's insistence on appointing arbitrators himself, there is no reason to think he would deliberately skip over a dissenting candidate who was appropriately placed on the results list, even if he might want to. The furthest he has gone in the past is to expand the ArbCom to justify including loyalists further down the list. Furthermore, realistically speaking, he couldn't exclude a dissenting candidate if the candidate was appropriately placed--it would be disastrous for Jimbo's political standing in the community. Nor does it make any sense to suggest that a dissenting candidate would transform to become a "pet chimp" simply because Jimbo made the formal appointment in recognition of the community's mandate. To suggest that the composition of the ArbCom is irrelevant is simply ludicrous--in the context of Wikipolitics, nothing is more important than the composition of the ArbCom. It's only irrelevant if you think Wikipedia itself is irrelevant, and therefore whatever future direction the project takes is inconsequential. This post has been edited by everyking:
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I agree with your entire first paragraph. I have a couple of quibbles with the second. QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 16th October 2008, 12:07pm) To suggest that the composition of the ArbCom is irrelevant is simply ludicrous--in the context of Wikipolitics, nothing is more important than the composition of the ArbCom. I would argue that the behaviour of the WMF Board is more important, but this depends on your definition of Wikipolitics (though even under a narrow definition, I'd argue that the behaviour of the WMF Board ought to be more important than the composition of Arb Comm). QUOTE It's only irrelevant if you think Wikipedia itself is irrelevant, and therefore whatever future direction the project takes is inconsequential. It's quite possible to believe, as I think many do here, that Wikipedia is relevant but that Wikipolitics, even broadly-defined, are not. I think that's the view of the faction that believes that Wikipedia is beyond hope, but that it's too harmful to be ignored.
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QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 17th October 2008, 2:07am) Re: Anyone who might rock the wikiboat...
Jimbo said if anyone retired mid-year this year, he would replace them from someone who got at least 50% in the 2007 election. Jimbo didn't keep his word. (Is anyone surprised?) Newyorkbrad retired and UninvitedCompany lapsed into real life, but Jimbo left their seats vacant until NYB returned and UC formally resigned. Anyway, he said anyone who got 50%, and he explicitly included Giano in that list.
Where did he say this? Paul August also resigned, remember. NYB was gone from the end of April until August; Paul left in August, and UC in September. There's no point really in replacing Paul and UC, since it's so late on in the year, and I think everyone knew NYB's departure was only temporary.
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