QUOTE(Obesity @ Mon 13th July 2009, 9:50am)
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 13th July 2009, 9:47am)
Just a point of order: does anyone on Wikipedia have any experience in running a company or a nonprofit organization? I have never seen such a tragically mismanaged entity as this site. I can understand that many of the people who rise to the top on Wikipedia are either kids who are still in school or slacker adults who are sneaking in edits when the boss isn't looking. But in the absence of genuine managers, we will always wind up with this kind of shit. The one reason Wikipedia is constantly imploding with tiresome drama like this is the thorough lack of individuals who have any hands-on experience in building and maintaining a working organization.
Jayjg is in his 40s and works "in management"
I know an admin who was assistant manger of a Foot Locker once....
I work in restaurant management. Does that count? (IMG:
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QUOTE(everyking @ Mon 13th July 2009, 10:23am)
Surely the council is not going to just coolly proceed with business amidst the community outcry? The community has spoken and its voice is unambigious in its opposition. How can you justify ignoring that?
I have no problem doing this. I think the whole controversy is ridiculous. People opposing a think-tank. It's just funny.
Shit needs to change. It's been pounded for years, but nothing has changed... not for the better anyway. People are complaining endlessly, throwing out straw mans (see Prodego
here), and for what? Some people hate ArbCom and think their a bunch of incompetent morons. Well, check the list of members of the think-tank. Are we all AC supporters? Hell no!
Just a bunch of bad faith, sour grapes and typical whining. Nothing changes on this project because there is always a loud enough group to shut anything down. This situation is no exception. If we fold to the predictable mob, we're just back to being broken and without hope. Fuck that noise. At some point, the protesters have to be left to chanting and marching while whatever they oppose moves forward. Change isn't coming on its own. It has to be forced through.
What's funny is that this group can't even force anything through. We can only suggest changes for the community to approve. Will they approve them? Almost certainly not. See previous paragraph. But it's worth a try. And I'll be damned if I give up on what I think is a brilliant idea because people are bitter, crying sour grapes or bitching about what they don't understand.