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Limey The National Portrait Gallery Threatens Litigation
GlassBeadGame See the letter issued by solicitors for the UK Na... Kato I heard a Wikipedia Weekly podcast a while back wh... Limey Whether the Wikipedios end up being in the clear... Kato Hopefully, the user involved just deletes all the... EricBarbour Hopefully, the user involved just deletes all the ... GlassBeadGame I heard a Wikipedia Weekly podcast a while back w... No one of consequence The National Portrait Gallery is a substantial in... Kato But the WMF is in the US. Is there such a thing ... Push the button ...a radical and essentially right wing agenda to... No one of consequence [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183073'... Kato Isn't [url=http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/... GlassBeadGame [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183073... taiwopanfob But it should only be available to people who can ... No one of consequence [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183078'... taiwopanfob [quote name='taiwopanfob' post='183090' date='Sat... GlassBeadGame March 2009, without our client’s consent, y... taiwopanfob In any event maybe the "free culture" fa... One I'm going to ignore your irrelevant strawman ... TungstenCarbide I heard a Wikipedia Weekly podcast a while back w... GlassBeadGame Nah, no moral justification. They might be [i]le... Sarcasticidealist I'm no expert on copyright but I quit certain ... TungstenCarbide Nah, no moral justification. They might be [i]l... Kato I agree, legally speaking. But think about it -... EricBarbour It takes time and money to produce quality reprodu... Kato (crap, having trouble finding threads about bad h... TungstenCarbide I agree, legally speaking. But think about it ... Peter Damian You seem to be pouring doubt and scorn on the cla... TungstenCarbide You seem to be pouring doubt and scorn on the cl... Push the button Why should it be so for a photograph of a masterp... standixon If I take a photograph, don't I own the copyri... Push the button If I take a photograph, don't I own the copyr... Kato Where the hell is NYB when we need him. NYB is u... TungstenCarbide [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183056' date=... Kato And the National Gallery is making money off of d... Kato I suspect that the letter from the NPG's lawy... TungstenCarbide [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183289' date='... GlassBeadGame against someone residing in the US, about server... Peter Damian It also takes skill and expensive equipment to ma... Push the button On the supposedly complex legal situation, the le... taiwopanfob Where's the originality in a photograph which... No one of consequence Where's the originality in a photograph whic... Peter Damian No, please see Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Co... taiwopanfob No, please see [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... TungstenCarbide It also takes skill and expensive equipment to m... taiwopanfob The national gallery is trying to say the photogra... Kato [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183260' date=... GlassBeadGame Yes, there is a creativity requirement for copyr... TungstenCarbide [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183260' date=... dogbiscuit [quote name='Peter Damian' post='183070' date='Sa... Random832 It takes time and money to produce quality reprodu... dogbiscuit It takes time and money to produce quality reprod... taiwopanfob The other example, say the Boston Pops Orchestra p... Eva Destruction As also has been pointed out, the WikiMedia licen... Milton Roe That isn't relevant to this particular case, ... Eva Destruction [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183862' date=... One [quote name='dogbiscuit' post='183852' date='Tue ... Eva Destruction [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183862' date=... One [quote name='One' post='183875' date='Tue 14th Ju... taiwopanfob Well, the [url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/... One But Jimbo's reading is apparently incomplete.... dogbiscuit As also has been pointed out, the WikiMedia lice... GlassBeadGame [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183024' date='S... A Horse With No Name GeorgeWilliamHerbert, the blocking admin, has lo... Jon Awbrey [quote name='Kato' post='183017' date='Fri 10th J... Random832 Whether the Wikipedios end up being in the clear... Kato [quote name='Kato' post='183017' date='Sat 11th J... JohnA Its just plagiarism, pure and simple. I bet those ... Limey FWIW. This is being discussed on Commons here: htt... dtobias Legally, the gallery might be right, at least in t... Jon Awbrey Legally, the gallery might be right, at least in ... thekohser All the ↑2d8 Libertaters have moved on to ... dogbiscuit Legally, the gallery might be right, at least in ... Kato In the UK, institutions like the National Portrai... sbrown Theres the point that aparently theyd gone to the ... Kato Here's the National Portrait Gallery's sta... No one of consequence Good on them, but... So, if I am affluent enough... Kato And do you think that people who stage Oscar Wild... Push the button And do you think that people who stage Oscar Wil... Kato [quote name='Kato' post='183085' date='Sat 11th J... Push the button But many of the same moral ambiguities can be app... taiwopanfob NPG's reproductions, no matter how technically... Kato But many of the same moral ambiguities can be ap... Cla68 I remember a few years ago I was dismayed to find ... No one of consequence [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183081'... LessHorrid vanU And do you think that people who stage Oscar Wil... Push the button The Gallery's image licensing department rai... Peter Damian 'Wanker' Gerard chimes in http://davidger... dtobias Interesting how to oppose a "right-wing corpo... LessHorrid vanU Thinking about this - and following a comment made... Grep Well this would all be extremely hilarious if it w... taiwopanfob Does Dcoetzee really think WMF will pay for his le... Push the button Another good question: if Dcoetzee decides he do... MZMcBride Everybody agrees that the original images are in t... taiwopanfob The part I find amusing is that the NPG is deliber... MZMcBride [quote name='MZMcBride' post='183132' date='Sat 1... taiwopanfob It's a public service. Maybe this is the crux ... Kato I agree that the National Portrait Gallery should... dtobias Nobody has any business agreeing to things, in a s... Grep Nobody has any business agreeing to things, in a ... dtobias In the U.S., anything produced by federal governme... tarantino All the NPG images on Commons have been tagged wit... GlassBeadGame All the NPG images on Commons have been tagged wi... dogbiscuit It strikes me that the fundamental issue that the ... SB_Johnny I'm not sure what I think about this case, but... tarantino I'm not sure what I think about this case, bu... thekohser That is too funny. Once again, the Foundation l... zvook [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='183228' date='Sun 1... The Wales Hunter The bypassing technical measures to obtain the ima... taiwopanfob Lar has removed Dcoetzee's administrator right... dogbiscuit Lar has removed Dcoetzee's administrator righ... GlassBeadGame [url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title... One That wasn't why either. I doubt that avoid... Lar [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183352' date='S... GlassBeadGame [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183352' date='... Lar Yes I think I did something wrong with the post b... taiwopanfob I don't think that's true. They said they ... taiwopanfob Smart but wrong, eh? Ok, got it, thanks for cleari... GlassBeadGame Hmm? He hopes they get medium res version to de... tarantino GMaxwell's request pointed out that Dc was bei... Lar So, where was the community discussion that ended... Cedric I am rather unsure of the strategy behind the lega... Kato I am rather unsure of the strategy behind the leg... Cedric I am rather unsure of the strategy behind the le... Kato On the desysopping: So they've abandoned th... GlassBeadGame There has been difficulty in enforcing UK defamati... Selina http://www.npg.org.uk/about/FAQ/how-much-i...ction... Floydsvoid I'm not a lawyer but I have been on jury duty ... Eva Destruction Poking around on [url=http://www.npg.org.uk/]http... dogbiscuit Poking around on [url=http://www.npg.org.uk/]htt... Eva Destruction [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183371' date=... Malleus Assuming I'm right about them having come fro... taiwopanfob On a personal note, I'm pissed off that I have... Milton Roe Assuming I'm right about them having come fr... Eva Destruction [quote name='Malleus' post='183395' date='Sun 12t... tarantino [quote name='Floydsvoid' post='183366' date='Sun ... GlassBeadGame [quote name='Floydsvoid' post='183366' date='Sun... Floydsvoid Is it possible that "Dcoetzee" someho... tarantino Oh, I missed the part about [url=http://www.zoom... Cedric I wonder if this guy is going to get a letter, too... Supine It's probable the letter partly or entirely wa... Peter Damian The last requirement is perhaps the most bizarre ... Supine [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12th... taiwopanfob The demand in the letter to "c) permanently d... Supine All true! There are laws relating to trespass... taiwopanfob All true! There are laws relating to trespas... GlassBeadGame The last requirement is perhaps the most bizarre... Lar Has anyone other than myself (and me only here) e... taiwopanfob [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183408' date='S... Supine [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12th... GlassBeadGame [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12t... Supine Of course to you the lawyers at Farrer & Co ... MZMcBride Of course to you the lawyers at Farrer & Co a... Giano Of course to you the lawyers at Farrer & Co ... GlassBeadGame [quote name='MZMcBride' post='183434' date='Mon 1... dogbiscuit Jeez, this is a civil matter. No one is going to... One The last requirement is perhaps the most bizarre ... Supine [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12th... One [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12t... quantpole It's hilarious seeing the free speech heroes l... dtobias He might have problems if he gets a default judgme... GlassBeadGame He might have problems if he gets a default judgm... Kato Wikipedios are doing what Wikipedios do best, they... Nerd Wikipedios are doing what Wikipedios do best, the... Cedric It keeps getting better and better: (emphasis h... Kato Ridiculous. This emphasises precisely why Wikip... dogbiscuit It keeps getting better and better: (emphasis ... Kato It is really, really simple. It is not about copy... TungstenCarbide [quote name='dogbiscuit' post='183446' date='Mon ... thekohser I'm going to take a wild guess here that the ... Kato "we will fulfil your order" That's... thekohser [quote name='thekohser' post='183553' date='Mon 1... Milton Roe I'm going to take a wild guess here that the... TungstenCarbide Funniest news article title so far - http://www.t... GlassBeadGame Funniest news article title so far - http://www.... Moulton Good article, but it is imperative that NPG gets s... dtobias [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183584' date=... GlassBeadGame [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183599' date='M... taiwopanfob Gmaxwell sayeth: Well, no: Dcoetzee is being h... dtobias There are cases where a U.S. court has refused to ... GlassBeadGame There are cases where a U.S. court has refused to... Daxx One could argue that this is a civil matter and n... dtobias Of course, now I'm wondering how someone coul... Obesity Dcoetzee rhymes with goatse. Coincidence??? YOU D... Cedric Just in case any of you thought that I had already... Supine Oh you're referring to the settlement terms bi... Supine A Foundation-L mailing list post mentions the Apri... dcoetzee Hi all, I took a look over the thread, and althoug... Cedric Hi all, I took a look over the thread, and althou... GlassBeadGame Hi all, I took a look over the thread, and althou... Somey ...these images were in fact obtained from the NPG... Milton Roe The example used by the NPG's Assistant Pictu... Moulton Per your signature, are you still an Administrator... Apathetic Per your signature, are you still an Administrato... taiwopanfob s/he still has adminship rights at en.wiki, and pr... Malleus Per your signature, are you still an Administrato... Adambro Hopefully this can get resolved without legal acti... Floydsvoid I'm inclined to disagree with the NPG on this... Kato In light of this business, the National Portrait G... GlassBeadGame In light of this business, the National Portrait ... No one of consequence [quote name='Kato' post='183743' date='Mon 13th J... GlassBeadGame [quote name='Kato' post='183743' date='Mon 13th ... Nerd In light of this business, the National Portrait... dogbiscuit Having read the earlier letter, I was struck by th... thekohser What is absolutely disgraceful is that the NPG is... Gandoman Link to this "mention", please? Dcoetz... thekohser [quote name='thekohser' post='183796' date='Tue 1... Milton Roe ZOMG! They won't allow our hare-brained ... Giano Having read the earlier letter, I was struck by t... Mathsci [quote name='dogbiscuit' post='183790' date='Tue ... GlassBeadGame Having read the [url=http://commons.wikimedia.org... thekohser The article has its share of inaccuracies (WMF on... Gandoman One thing that has previously been mentioned over ... Cedric The MSM is finally on the story. EDIT: "A s... Kato The MSM [url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa... taiwopanfob Gerard seems to have tempered his earlier rallying... Moulton The NPG spokesman added: "We haven't actu... dogbiscuit The fundamental issue here is that the UK copyrigh... Apathetic What is worse, even when some tragedy strikes (an... dogbiscuit What is worse, even when some tragedy strikes (a... Moulton Dogbiscuit is right. An unethical system is an un... Kato Working with, not against, cultural institutions ... GlassBeadGame [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikip... Cedric [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki... Random832 ...offers free access to all visitors. Yes, for o... thekohser ...offers free access to all visitors. Yes, for ... dtobias But you've got to admit that the attitude in t... GlassBeadGame But you've got to admit that the attitude in ... thekohser ...Durova is a bit of a weather vain... Pun int... GlassBeadGame ...Durova is a bit of a weather vain... Pun in... dtobias [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183994' date='T... Peter Damian Although major newpapers like the Guardian are cov... MBisanz Although major newpapers like the Guardian are co... Peter Damian [quote name='Peter Damian' post='184083' date='We... MBisanz [quote name='MBisanz' post='184084' date='Wed 15t... Peter Damian Not sure I agree with exactly how that is worded,... MBisanz Not sure I agree with exactly how that is worded... No one of consequence I wonder if anyone has actually read the [url=http... 1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
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