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QUOTE(One @ Mon 13th July 2009, 8:47pm)
Y'know, the main reason I voted in favor of this proposal was so that we could get a group of diverse folks to be repeat players for discussing policy issues. If such a group could make some well-supported recommendations, it seemed like there's a good chance that the community could bear it under an inclusive referendum.
Yeah, but the only person you chose with a brain and a body was LaraLove. Nothing wrong with that choice, no siree. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wub.gif) But the other choices -- Fuchs? Giano? DGG? JoopersCoopers? (Jooper who?) MBisanz? That's not diverse, that's dreary. Ridiculous. Uninspired. Zzzzz. Compared to those guys, Xeno is Mr. Excitement. There are plenty of fun guys you could have packed into the council: Roux, ThuranX, Baseball Bugs, Neurolysis, Shappy, Ottava, Stifle, Thumperward (provided he isn't sober, of course) and that loveable lummox Tanthalas39. Hell, imagine what Wikipedia would look like if that gang got their hands on the keys! You messed up, One. You had your chance and you Shankboned us. Ouch! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 14th July 2009, 12:30am) Anyway, I think the heat and drama are starting to die down now, in spite of SV's best efforts at keeping it all going. The only people resisting this idea are the people who have power currently and stand to lose it in the revolution (e.g. SlimVirgin) and the idiotic ideologues who have irrational emotional attachments to Wikipedia's current (lack of) governance (basically, the assorted wikianarchists running about doing nothing of value otherwise). SlimVirgin's motivations are obvious here: she has agendas to forward, and effective governance working toward a goal of writing an unbiased encyclopedia is almost certainly going to interfere with that. What amazes me is that, given all the evidence of this, nobody in Wikipedia's ostensible leadership has been willing to admit that this is the case and tell her where to stuff it. I suppose because they're all afraid that she'll rally her support base to manufacture a false consensus in her favor, just as she has so many times before. You'd think that people aware of this problem would realize the folly of consensus-based governance... and yet they don't. I dunno. Wikipedians are amazing creatures, aren't they?
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 14th July 2009, 2:37am) The only people resisting this idea are the people who have power currently and stand to lose it in the revolution (e.g. SlimVirgin) and the idiotic ideologues who have irrational emotional attachments to Wikipedia's current (lack of) governance (basically, the assorted wikianarchists running about doing nothing of value otherwise). I'd say that that's unfair towards, at the very least, Iridescent. Actually, I don't think Everyking, much as I've sniped at him, falls into either of those categories either. There are probably others, but I'm not going to go through the whole list. Edit: Actually, Tony1's another one that doesn't fall into either category. QUOTE I dunno. Wikipedians are amazing creatures, aren't they? We are. I have to say, though, I've noticed you taking rather a less detached tone to all of this than I'm accustomed to seeing from you -- almost as if you still had a little of the amazing creature in you yourself... This post has been edited by Sarcasticidealist:
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QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 14th July 2009, 1:10am) QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 14th July 2009, 2:37am) The only people resisting this idea are the people who have power currently and stand to lose it in the revolution (e.g. SlimVirgin) and the idiotic ideologues who have irrational emotional attachments to Wikipedia's current (lack of) governance (basically, the assorted wikianarchists running about doing nothing of value otherwise). I'd say that that's unfair towards, at the very least, Iridescent. Actually, I don't think Everyking, much as I've sniped at him, falls into either of those categories either. There are probably others, but I'm not going to go through the whole list. Edit: Actually, Tony1's another one that doesn't fall into either category. I think the objection from the parties named above fall more into the category of "I don't object to governance so much as I object to how this governing body was selected". They're still being stupid, insofar as this isn't really a governing body, but I also think they're letting themselves be used by SlimVirgin by signing onto her nihilistic rant against any form of governance that doesn't give her free reign to do as she please. Everyking, in particular, is carrying a giant grudge against the ArbCom (no matter how justifiably) and is virtually certain to object to anything the ArbCom does no matter how much sense it makes; I don't consider him a meaningful critic in this regard. The ArbCom is no collection of luminaries, but it's the best y'all have got. QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Tue 14th July 2009, 1:10am) We are. I have to say, though, I've noticed you taking rather a less detached tone to all of this than I'm accustomed to seeing from you -- almost as if you still had a little of the amazing creature in you yourself... Hey, I just want to see you idiots fix your hate-spewing, defamation-propagation, idiocy-perpetuating website. Do that and I'll stop pestering you about it. I might even take a break from writing articles about ham radio to contribute something to your little garden (although don't count on it: your editorial standards leave a lot to be desired).
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 14th July 2009, 3:04pm) I think the objection from the parties named above fall more into the category of "I don't object to governance so much as I object to how this governing body was selected". They're still being stupid, insofar as this isn't really a governing body, but I also think they're letting themselves be used by SlimVirgin by signing onto her nihilistic rant against any form of governance that doesn't give her free reign to do as she please. I think it's possible that SV doesn't like the ArbCom because they have sent so many of her old friends packing and have slapped her wrists fairly hard. Jossi is banned, FeloniousMonk was desysopped, Jayjg has left, JzG and MONGO have been silenced, and SV was suspended for six months. She doesn't want to see ArbCom enlarge their role in Wikipedia because they are a threat. As usual, she's not seeing past the end of her nose and it will end up, in the long run, damaging further any credibility she might still have when the others who supported her on this thing realize that she was using them for her own personal vendetta. This post has been edited by Cla68:
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