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The Adversary |
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CT (Check Troll) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 801 Joined: Member No.: 194 ![]() |
Whaw: who would have guessed: after years of complaining and raging again "the cabal" on wp; the person to force me out of turns out to be...Dr. Blofeld (T-C-L-K-R-D)
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May I introduce myself, I am Huldra (T-C-L-K-R-D) on wp (Btw; I have criticized SlimVirgin every way I could for these last few years....except for her silly user-name. As I am probably the only person on WP to have chosen an even sillier user-name (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) ) Now, about 3 years ago, utterly pissed off by Jayjg and Slim, I found my own quiet little corner of Israel/Palestine -articles: Palestinian Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestine War It was a strange little corner of Wikipedia; every now and then some newbie would start a horrible stub, often half in Arabic, with tons and tons of WP:OR. Typically they would only do a few edits (less that 20) and then disappear from WP totally......which then the "clean-up-task-force" (read: mostly me, Al Ameer son, Tiamut, Ashely (when he´s not blocked) ) would come along and clean up. So we would turn this into Al-Muzayri'a . And this into Al-Nabi_Yusha' . And this into Saqiya. Not superb any of them, but at least a decent start. This last one is typical: I think someone simply put the Khalidi-text (in Arabic) through some automatic translation ..so you get gems like "in recent years on the assignment," ...meaning: "in the last years of the (British) Mandate (of Palestine)" (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Oh, and some we just never got around cleaning up: Al-Ja'una So, slowly, steadfast during the last couple of years we have been progressing. The huge template has been invaluable...but I could only navigate around it because many of the links were red. Until yesterday. Blofeld comes along and find he does not like red links, and decides that he will start all the red-linked villages...and turn the whole template into on huuuge green soup. And does just that. Now, I cannot manage to navigate with it anymore. Oh, well, Blofeld say he will work on the articles, and he does, but he does not have the sources (books). So far he has added nothing to the "public knowledge", he only copies from web-sites which were freely available, anyway. Re-inventing (or: re-writing) the wheel, so to speak. Now, if actually got hold of the books and educated himself on the topic: great. But I fear that in a short time he will be gone (he has a million other articles to attend too, as he has informed us.) I liked this comment about reaching 3 mill articles on wp: "great, I've managed to poo in every room in the house" Well, I leave it to Blofeld to clean up his own |
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Head exploded. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 1,662 Joined: From: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Member No.: 4,536 ![]() |
I'm always disappointed when I find out the Wikipedia user name of a WR poster, and it turns out to be somebody I've never heard of. Personally, I'd always hoped that the Adversary was Newyorkbrad.
Anyway, happy trails. Will you be sticking around here? |
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I'm always disappointed when I find out the Wikipedia user name of a WR poster, and it turns out to be somebody I've never heard of. Personally, I'd always hoped that the Adversary was Newyorkbrad. Anyway, happy trails. Will you be sticking around here? I saw him at Naked short selling last summer. He chipped in when Janneyryan and JohnnyB256 seemed to be doing a tag team. |
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CT (Check Troll) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 801 Joined: Member No.: 194 ![]() |
Ah, my very last DYK: "Did you know, that The Adversary on the wikipediareview website has reputation for being extremely nasty and unpleasant about other wikipedians?" (We can take that as a co-nom, Blofeld and Huldra) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)
And anyway, I am also a stinking nasty little bitch. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) Oh boy. I have been working on these 48-villages for 3+ years. Now the "Bible" here is the book by Khalidi (1992) , + Morris (2004). Blofeldt does not, AFAK, have even these (basic) books available. When he starts all these articles about the 48-villages, he *only* copies/rehash material which is already on the net. He, IMHO, he simply does not "add value" to the net doing this. Call that what you want. And by doing so he chase away those -at least one- who actually did "add value", ie added information which was not already freely available on the net. I was literally sitting crying my eyes out last night, seeing what he was doing, knowing that it would chase me of WP. I felt run over by a bulldozer. So I don´t really care what he calls me (or I call him). The damage is done. I'm always disappointed when I find out the Wikipedia user name of a WR poster, and it turns out to be somebody I've never heard of. Personally, I'd always hoped that the Adversary was Newyorkbrad. Anyway, happy trails. Will you be sticking around here? I saw him at Naked short selling last summer. He chipped in when Janneyryan and JohnnyB256 seemed to be doing a tag team. Ah yes, one of my better moment (And I´m female! And, eh, born a true troll (It takes one to know one) ....and a hard-core feminist.. (That´s part of horsey that I´m eating in my avatar..yummy.. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) ) and yeah, I might stick around. |
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I was literally sitting crying my eyes out last night, seeing what he was doing, knowing that it would chase me of WP. I felt run over by a bulldozer. So I don´t really care what he calls me (or I call him). The damage is done. It really isn't the end of the world, though. He has basically tilled the soil for you to plant seeds in. Can't you sort the articles by quality through a WikiProject or Task force tag? This post has been edited by Apathetic: |
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It really isn't the end of the world, though. He has basically tilled the soil for you to plant seeds in. Can't you sort the articles by quality through a WikiProject or Task force tag? I really appriciate what you have done, I really do, but I don´t see any solution here where I can continue to work in this area. The thing is: a) I´m not a linguist, for me it is not easy to keep all these (very) similar-sounding (Arab!) names apart. But I have a strong sort of "visual memory": when I was looking for some, say, Peterson-stuff, I knew I had to look in a village-article positioned in the middle-bottom of the District of Haifa-group. Does this makes sense? Now, earlier, that was easy, as Al-Tira, Haifa would be the only, or one of the few, "blue-linked"-article-names in that section. But now, if I don´t remember the name of "Al-Tira", (which I normally don´t)..I have to click 10-15-links before I come to the right one....It was a real shock for me when I could no longer find any of the Metawali-villages -normally I could find them blind-folded (well...) ..now they have all disappeared into the "blue soup." You say he has tilled the soil for us to plant in. Well, I say he has tilled *too much* soil, I cannot find my way around, anymore. Which patch (article) needs more work, which doesn´t? Before I knew. Now I don´t. And the other thing is: we had a very nice little group of editors, who have worked on this for ages. That one person can come along and do exactly as he please, without doing the least attempt to communicate with the "regulars" -is rather disheartening. (When he started making these stubs, I went to his talk-page and asked him to stop...he just removed my comment and continued. Like a bulldozer. As if I didn´t exist. And he is surprised that I take this off-WP?) Hey, it is as simple as this: I edited WP for fun. After Blofeld stormed into my little corner of WP; it´s no fun anymore. (And boy, am I being diplomatic here.) Oh, and I really hate all the dramah-thingy over at WP. It is not without reason that my WP-persona was unknown to Sarc -and I assume, most others. I really have tried to avoid "the dramah". Heck, editing in the I/P area is *more* than enough dramah in itself.... Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. I am a collector at heart; "collecting" information about these villages was great fun. |
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It really isn't the end of the world, though. He has basically tilled the soil for you to plant seeds in. Can't you sort the articles by quality through a WikiProject or Task force tag? I really appriciate what you have done, I really do, but I don´t see any solution here where I can continue to work in this area. The thing is: a) I´m not a linguist, for me it is not easy to keep all these (very) similar-sounding (Arab!) names apart. But I have a strong sort of "visual memory": when I was looking for some, say, Peterson-stuff, I knew I had to look in a village-article positioned in the middle-bottom of the District of Haifa-group. Does this makes sense? ... I have created my own copy of Template:Palestinian Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestine War at User:John Vandenberg/sandbox, with the Dr. Blofeld articles "tagged". These articles can be "delinked" using CSS. If other editors in your group are not bothered with the added complexity, my template code can be merged into the official template. There is also a feature which allows each person customise how stubs are displayed, however it is very simplistic, using only the page size to determine when a link is displayed in a different colour. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link#Stub_feature |
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Known alias of J. Random Troll ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 10,209 Joined: Member No.: 5,156 ![]() |
There is also a feature which allows each person customise how stubs are displayed, however it is very simplistic, using only the page size to determine when a link is displayed in a different colour. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link#Stub_feature Thanks for that-- I hadn't noticed it (though I had noticed the red vs. ! feature to display broken internal links). I cannot get the "page length stub detector" to work at any setting but 0 B. No matter what I set it at and "save", it returns 0 B next time I look at it. Nor does it affect how I see links to short articles (I've tried to see if it was working and setting differently, but reading out wrong on the preference pages-- no, there is actually nothing different in how short stubs are displayed for me). It has saved all my other preferences perfectly well: I've experimented with changing several of them on the same page, just now (like paragraph justification). No problem. So it's not my computer or software. Does this feature work for you, or are you just giving me the THEORY on it? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) If you can get this thing to work, it's worth re-mentioning in the WP:REDLINK page, as yet one more alternative to seeing red links. Though, of course, Somey may be right that some editors only use this as an excuse for creating new articles. You can hardly blame them when RfA's contain questions like "how many new articles have you started"? As a metric of meaningful work done (far more than editcount, which may be nothing more than spelling errors fixed one-at-a-time, even your own), I'd like to see number of broken internal links repaired WITHOUT resort to creation of short stub (less than 1000 B) or removal of link brackets. That often takes some ingenuity, and at least more thought usually than fixing a spelling error or punctuation. A lower length limit of 500 bytes (or pick your own number which excludes title-plus-cat-tag stubs) does seem like a good idea for stub-creation, or even stub maintenance (unless it's an orphan stub). Less than this, and you might as well leave the info as a redlink, till you have some decent blob of information at the end of where your link is "pointing." Again, orphan stubs, which aren't the target yet of any WP links yet, might be exempt. Otherwise, for stubs that are targets of an internal link already, you'd be expected to leave the link "broken" or "down" but put content of a very short stub into somehow into the primary article, much as, according to official policy, you're supposed to do for little bits of WP:TRIVIA (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) And for the same reason, no? In both cases aren't we talking about the same basic rules intended to prevent the same thing-- to keep random floating bits of information from sitting around isolated on their own pages, or segregated in their own sections, like wallflowers at a dance? |
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