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QUOTE(One @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:16pm) Moral of the story: use [[ WP:RM]]. Freaking bizarre IRC backstabbing. Exactly! QUOTE(Deodand @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:39pm) Actually several bits of the early segment there are complete bollocks. He was pinged once because he'd repeatedly gone "discussion should be on wiki" and ignored Ironholds' requiest to "name a time and place". Ironholds was pushing for on-wiki discussion; your account makes it sound like Law just randomly thought of this in an attempt to stay "chill". The whole "sidekick" section was a joke based on the fact that Law had called Dan/Iron "meatpuppets" in some way or shape.
[2009-09-29 06:53:08] <Ironholds> ..Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <Ironholds> Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [2009-09-29 06:53:11] <Ironholds> LAW Three times in three seconds. That's once? I guess if you add them together and divide by three, then yea... that's once. And I think it's a far stretch of the imagination to think Law was literally calling Daniel and Ironholds meatpuppets. Regardless, completely inappropriate to go on with the sidekick shit.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Thu 1st October 2009, 2:39am) QUOTE(One @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:16pm) Moral of the story: use [[ WP:RM]]. Freaking bizarre IRC backstabbing. Exactly! QUOTE(Deodand @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:39pm) Actually several bits of the early segment there are complete bollocks. He was pinged once because he'd repeatedly gone "discussion should be on wiki" and ignored Ironholds' requiest to "name a time and place". Ironholds was pushing for on-wiki discussion; your account makes it sound like Law just randomly thought of this in an attempt to stay "chill". The whole "sidekick" section was a joke based on the fact that Law had called Dan/Iron "meatpuppets" in some way or shape.
[2009-09-29 06:53:08] <Ironholds> ..Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <Ironholds> Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [2009-09-29 06:53:11] <Ironholds> LAW Three times in three seconds. That's once? I guess if you add them together and divide by three, then yea... that's once. And I think it's a far stretch of the imagination to think Law was literally calling Daniel and Ironholds meatpuppets. Regardless, completely inappropriate to go on with the sidekick shit. :Ahh, I thought you meant literal pinging. Please quote in context, please. The dispute was over whether it should be Andrew Bonar Law or Bonar Law. Law/Undertow presented a link to a book he claimed supported his view (Andrew Bonar Law). Full context was: 11:52] <The_Law> http://books.google.com/books?id=9mj2hNGMh...r%20Law&f=false[11:52] <Ironholds> ..Law [11:52] <Ironholds> Law [11:52] <Ironholds> LAW [11:52] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [11:52] <Ironholds> what's that book called [11:53] <Ironholds> "Bonar Law" [11:53] <Ironholds> in big gold capital letters Rude, yes. Deliberate "pinging"? No. And actually the statements from law: [11:55] <The_Law> you know what meatpuppets are? [11:57] <The_Law> keep talking meats and the like make it clear that no, he meant literal meatpuppets. You were in the chan, you've got the logs. Stop quoting things out of context to support your little bitch.
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QUOTE(Deodand @ Thu 1st October 2009, 1:16am) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Thu 1st October 2009, 2:39am) QUOTE(One @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:16pm) Moral of the story: use [[ WP:RM]]. Freaking bizarre IRC backstabbing. Exactly! QUOTE(Deodand @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:39pm) Actually several bits of the early segment there are complete bollocks. He was pinged once because he'd repeatedly gone "discussion should be on wiki" and ignored Ironholds' requiest to "name a time and place". Ironholds was pushing for on-wiki discussion; your account makes it sound like Law just randomly thought of this in an attempt to stay "chill". The whole "sidekick" section was a joke based on the fact that Law had called Dan/Iron "meatpuppets" in some way or shape.
[2009-09-29 06:53:08] <Ironholds> ..Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <Ironholds> Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [2009-09-29 06:53:11] <Ironholds> LAW Three times in three seconds. That's once? I guess if you add them together and divide by three, then yea... that's once. And I think it's a far stretch of the imagination to think Law was literally calling Daniel and Ironholds meatpuppets. Regardless, completely inappropriate to go on with the sidekick shit. :Ahh, I thought you meant literal pinging. Please quote in context, please. The dispute was over whether it should be Andrew Bonar Law or Bonar Law. Law/Undertow presented a link to a book he claimed supported his view (Andrew Bonar Law). Full context was: 11:52] <The_Law> http://books.google.com/books?id=9mj2hNGMh...r%20Law&f=false[11:52] <Ironholds> ..Law [11:52] <Ironholds> Law [11:52] <Ironholds> LAW [11:52] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [11:52] <Ironholds> what's that book called [11:53] <Ironholds> "Bonar Law" [11:53] <Ironholds> in big gold capital letters Rude, yes. Deliberate "pinging"? No. And actually the statements from law: [11:55] <The_Law> you know what meatpuppets are? [11:57] <The_Law> keep talking meats and the like make it clear that no, he meant literal meatpuppets. You were in the chan, you've got the logs. Stop quoting things out of context to support your little bitch. Let's make this clear. As Law, I refused to use my tools to make a page move that was clearly out of policy. When I refused, Daniel decided to do so. I disagreed. I was called some pretty shitty things. I don't log shit. My IRC client doesn't do it, nor have I seen a need for it. When I pointed out it should be taken on wiki, I was told that I was a bloody fool and will feel the full impact of a six-pack of Guinness up my ass, or something relative to that. There are those that do have the full logs. So while I didn't want to use the tools or be coerced into using them by a 6-time RfA hopeful and and Arb clerk, I told them to do what they need to do. Ironholds apparently needed to dime me out. Not really how I wanted to go out, but what the Hell? It happened. Before you call me a little bitch, please realize that you will end up as unpopular as Ironholds. My friends online have ousted him for causing this situation. My enemies have ousted him for sitting on this information. The rest have castigated him for using this information to coerce an admin into his bidding. There is no win here. And yes, I see a little undertow coming out. 2 days of this shit, where I've kept quiet, and I think I deserve to vent. I've admitted and apologized to everyone and anyone. I've listened to just about every insult that I can take, but I'm nobody's bitch, nor have I ever been. I think you're a bit hurt that I could go through 2 successful RFAs, when all you have are personal attacks. But be a man about it - contact me directly for the discussion. Don't hide here. That sort of makes you the bitch. While I may not be the most popular person here, my identity is no secret. Anonymity may free you, but that is problem #1 with tough guys on the Internet. I'm quite confident with supplying you to a GoogleMaps path to my door should you want to have a beer and act as a peer, as opposed to another badass who hides behind a screen name. I don't feel that a violent approach is ever appropriate. If you are not willing to say such things in person, that is something altogether. PM me with your concerns. Have a beer with your concerns. But it's just too easy to drive-by and call someone a bitch. Anonymity is cowardice. Chip Kochendorfer As a caveat, while I don't have a loyalty with WR, nor do I expect the reciprocal, I do regret bringing the drama I have caused to this board. I'm at a point where I really don't want to sit by and watch the re-occurrence of my first Rfar, so if I have tainted this board with my obvious willingness to break silence and spew my disdain for those with who I don't quite understand, I have no problem with you removing me as a user. I never wanted this to spill over here, contrary to how I used this website as a noticeboard in the past. I really have a high tolerance. I just have hit my boiling point. This board, and all WR users, have my apologies for making this a WR issue.
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QUOTE(the_undertow @ Thu 1st October 2009, 10:53am) QUOTE(Deodand @ Thu 1st October 2009, 1:16am) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Thu 1st October 2009, 2:39am) QUOTE(One @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:16pm) Moral of the story: use [[ WP:RM]]. Freaking bizarre IRC backstabbing. Exactly! QUOTE(Deodand @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:39pm) Actually several bits of the early segment there are complete bollocks. He was pinged once because he'd repeatedly gone "discussion should be on wiki" and ignored Ironholds' requiest to "name a time and place". Ironholds was pushing for on-wiki discussion; your account makes it sound like Law just randomly thought of this in an attempt to stay "chill". The whole "sidekick" section was a joke based on the fact that Law had called Dan/Iron "meatpuppets" in some way or shape.
[2009-09-29 06:53:08] <Ironholds> ..Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <Ironholds> Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [2009-09-29 06:53:11] <Ironholds> LAW Three times in three seconds. That's once? I guess if you add them together and divide by three, then yea... that's once. And I think it's a far stretch of the imagination to think Law was literally calling Daniel and Ironholds meatpuppets. Regardless, completely inappropriate to go on with the sidekick shit. :Ahh, I thought you meant literal pinging. Please quote in context, please. The dispute was over whether it should be Andrew Bonar Law or Bonar Law. Law/Undertow presented a link to a book he claimed supported his view (Andrew Bonar Law). Full context was: 11:52] <The_Law> http://books.google.com/books?id=9mj2hNGMh...r%20Law&f=false[11:52] <Ironholds> ..Law [11:52] <Ironholds> Law [11:52] <Ironholds> LAW [11:52] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [11:52] <Ironholds> what's that book called [11:53] <Ironholds> "Bonar Law" [11:53] <Ironholds> in big gold capital letters Rude, yes. Deliberate "pinging"? No. And actually the statements from law: [11:55] <The_Law> you know what meatpuppets are? [11:57] <The_Law> keep talking meats and the like make it clear that no, he meant literal meatpuppets. You were in the chan, you've got the logs. Stop quoting things out of context to support your little bitch. Let's make this clear. As Law, I refused to use my tools to make a page move that was clearly out of policy. When I refused, Daniel decided to do so. I disagreed. I was called some pretty shitty things. I don't log shit. My IRC client doesn't do it, nor have I seen a need for it. When I pointed out it should be taken on wiki, I was told that I was a bloody fool and will feel the full impact of a six-pack of Guinness up my ass, or something relative to that. There are those that do have the full logs. So while I didn't want to use the tools or be coerced into using them by a 6-time RfA hopeful and and Arb clerk, I told them to do what they need to do. Ironholds apparently needed to dime me out. Not really how I wanted to go out, but what the Hell? It happened. Before you call me a little bitch, please realize that you will end up as unpopular as Ironholds. My friends online have ousted him for causing this situation. My enemies have ousted him for sitting on this information. The rest have castigated him for using this information to coerce an admin into his bidding. There is no win here. And yes, I see a little undertow coming out. 2 days of this shit, where I've kept quiet, and I think I deserve to vent. I've admitted and apologized to everyone and anyone. I've listened to just about every insult that I can take, but I'm nobody's bitch, nor have I ever been. I think you're a bit hurt that I could go through 2 successful RFAs, when all you have are personal attacks. But be a man about it - contact me directly for the discussion. Don't hide here. That sort of makes you the bitch. While I may not be the most popular person here, my identity is no secret. Anonymity may free you, but that is problem #1 with tough guys on the Internet. I'm quite confident with supplying you to a GoogleMaps path to my door should you want to have a beer and act as a peer, as opposed to another badass who hides behind a screen name. I don't feel that a violent approach is ever appropriate. If you are not willing to say such things in person, that is something altogether. PM me with your concerns. Have a beer with your concerns. But it's just too easy to drive-by and call someone a bitch. Anonymity is cowardice. Chip Kochendorfer As a caveat, while I don't have a loyalty with WR, nor do I expect the reciprocal, I do regret bringing the drama I have caused to this board. I'm at a point where I really don't want to sit by and watch the re-occurrence of my first Rfar, so if I have tainted this board with my obvious willingness to break silence and spew my disdain for those with who I don't quite understand, I have no problem with you removing me as a user. I never wanted this to spill over here, contrary to how I used this website as a noticeboard in the past. I really have a high tolerance. I just have hit my boiling point. This board, and all WR users, have my apologies for making this a WR issue. My comments were addressed to Lara, not to you. Either you're her bitch or she's yours - either way, all I see is her skewing a bad position to portray you as an innocent party here. Those comments above about beating a path to my door? From what I hear they were replicated to Ironholds, but with the addition of violent threats. Doesn't sound too much like an innocent party to me. I've been given the full logs by Ironholds and at no point did he try and "twist you to his will" and make you move it with threats - his threat to out you was after you threatened to own him and destroy his on- and off-wiki existence.
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QUOTE(Deodand @ Thu 1st October 2009, 2:20am) QUOTE(the_undertow @ Thu 1st October 2009, 10:53am) QUOTE(Deodand @ Thu 1st October 2009, 1:16am) QUOTE(LaraLove @ Thu 1st October 2009, 2:39am) QUOTE(One @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:16pm) Moral of the story: use [[ WP:RM]]. Freaking bizarre IRC backstabbing. Exactly! QUOTE(Deodand @ Wed 30th September 2009, 5:39pm) Actually several bits of the early segment there are complete bollocks. He was pinged once because he'd repeatedly gone "discussion should be on wiki" and ignored Ironholds' requiest to "name a time and place". Ironholds was pushing for on-wiki discussion; your account makes it sound like Law just randomly thought of this in an attempt to stay "chill". The whole "sidekick" section was a joke based on the fact that Law had called Dan/Iron "meatpuppets" in some way or shape.
[2009-09-29 06:53:08] <Ironholds> ..Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <Ironholds> Law [2009-09-29 06:53:10] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [2009-09-29 06:53:11] <Ironholds> LAW Three times in three seconds. That's once? I guess if you add them together and divide by three, then yea... that's once. And I think it's a far stretch of the imagination to think Law was literally calling Daniel and Ironholds meatpuppets. Regardless, completely inappropriate to go on with the sidekick shit. :Ahh, I thought you meant literal pinging. Please quote in context, please. The dispute was over whether it should be Andrew Bonar Law or Bonar Law. Law/Undertow presented a link to a book he claimed supported his view (Andrew Bonar Law). Full context was: 11:52] <The_Law> http://books.google.com/books?id=9mj2hNGMh...r%20Law&f=false[11:52] <Ironholds> ..Law [11:52] <Ironholds> Law [11:52] <Ironholds> LAW [11:52] <The_Law> i dont know why you decide to assail me [11:52] <Ironholds> what's that book called [11:53] <Ironholds> "Bonar Law" [11:53] <Ironholds> in big gold capital letters Rude, yes. Deliberate "pinging"? No. And actually the statements from law: [11:55] <The_Law> you know what meatpuppets are? [11:57] <The_Law> keep talking meats and the like make it clear that no, he meant literal meatpuppets. You were in the chan, you've got the logs. Stop quoting things out of context to support your little bitch. Let's make this clear. As Law, I refused to use my tools to make a page move that was clearly out of policy. When I refused, Daniel decided to do so. I disagreed. I was called some pretty shitty things. I don't log shit. My IRC client doesn't do it, nor have I seen a need for it. When I pointed out it should be taken on wiki, I was told that I was a bloody fool and will feel the full impact of a six-pack of Guinness up my ass, or something relative to that. There are those that do have the full logs. So while I didn't want to use the tools or be coerced into using them by a 6-time RfA hopeful and and Arb clerk, I told them to do what they need to do. Ironholds apparently needed to dime me out. Not really how I wanted to go out, but what the Hell? It happened. Before you call me a little bitch, please realize that you will end up as unpopular as Ironholds. My friends online have ousted him for causing this situation. My enemies have ousted him for sitting on this information. The rest have castigated him for using this information to coerce an admin into his bidding. There is no win here. And yes, I see a little undertow coming out. 2 days of this shit, where I've kept quiet, and I think I deserve to vent. I've admitted and apologized to everyone and anyone. I've listened to just about every insult that I can take, but I'm nobody's bitch, nor have I ever been. I think you're a bit hurt that I could go through 2 successful RFAs, when all you have are personal attacks. But be a man about it - contact me directly for the discussion. Don't hide here. That sort of makes you the bitch. While I may not be the most popular person here, my identity is no secret. Anonymity may free you, but that is problem #1 with tough guys on the Internet. I'm quite confident with supplying you to a GoogleMaps path to my door should you want to have a beer and act as a peer, as opposed to another badass who hides behind a screen name. I don't feel that a violent approach is ever appropriate. If you are not willing to say such things in person, that is something altogether. PM me with your concerns. Have a beer with your concerns. But it's just too easy to drive-by and call someone a bitch. Anonymity is cowardice. Chip Kochendorfer As a caveat, while I don't have a loyalty with WR, nor do I expect the reciprocal, I do regret bringing the drama I have caused to this board. I'm at a point where I really don't want to sit by and watch the re-occurrence of my first Rfar, so if I have tainted this board with my obvious willingness to break silence and spew my disdain for those with who I don't quite understand, I have no problem with you removing me as a user. I never wanted this to spill over here, contrary to how I used this website as a noticeboard in the past. I really have a high tolerance. I just have hit my boiling point. This board, and all WR users, have my apologies for making this a WR issue. My comments were addressed to Lara, not to you. Either you're her bitch or she's yours - either way, all I see is her skewing a bad position to portray you as an innocent party here. Those comments above about beating a path to my door? From what I hear they were replicated to Ironholds, but with the addition of violent threats. Doesn't sound too much like an innocent party to me. I've been given the full logs by Ironholds and at no point did he try and "twist you to his will" and make you move it with threats - his threat to out you was after you threatened to own him and destroy his on- and off-wiki existence. It doesn't matter at all. Expletives should be used in person. Not hiding behind some guise. Either I'm a bitch, or she's a bitch. There is no way I will tolerate either. Those types of attacks should be discussed in person. No violence was implied. If you are willing to make such vulgar attacks, you should be willing to do them in person. That is why I suggested a meeting. Perhaps you would be hard-pressed to act so boldly in person. Maybe not. But either way, you hide. I'm not interested in a pissing contest. I'm more from the school that if you call me a bitch, do it in person. If you call a woman a bitch, you have bigger problems that I can imagine. QUOTE(Malleus @ Thu 1st October 2009, 2:19am) QUOTE(the_undertow @ Thu 1st October 2009, 10:53am) This board, and all WR users, have my apologies for making this a WR issue.
It's a curious thing, but perhaps echoing something that Moni3 said on WP, I have a very short memory for editors, unlike so many others it seems. I recall that you and I (Law) exchanged some sharp words a few months ago, after which I got a few emails from those in the know suggesting that in the past we'd been on friendly terms and if i thought back I could probably work out who you really were. What they failed to realise was that I'm incorrigibly lazy with an appalling memory for anything that doesn't interest me. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Anyway, eventually one of them told me of your previous username, but it still meant nothing to me. My laziness would preclude me from ever doing what you did, but it also gives me an understanding of the relief it must be to drop the pretence. I doubt you liked me as the_undertow. I had a huge disdain for you, ottava, and giano. But as Law, i grew up and did some observations. I realized that my incivility as UT was only overlooked by the fact that I was an admin. I also realized that CIV and NPA were things that I did not and would not uphold. As the_undertow and Law amalgamated, I realized that I was better suited to protect the editors from the admins who enforced such policies. Then again, I have always known that on the inside. Both Rfars stemmed from unblocking users. I'm far too lazy to adhere to heavy doctrine. I just know that I have done a 180 as far as my beliefs, and it shows with our discourse and well as my last unblock. I'm tired of civility. It is too much of an excuse to bait a great editor, like yourself, into a block, that would never happen over content. I think I made that clear as Law. You may not remember me as undertow, but my incivility made you look like an alter boy.
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QUOTE(the_undertow @ Thu 1st October 2009, 12:00pm) I doubt you liked me as the_undertow. ... But as Law, i grew up and did some observations.
That leads to a deep question, which may deserve its own thread. If someone has several Internet names, as lots of people do, should we judge each identity separately or all the identities collectively by what the person behind them has done? In particular, if one of the identities has done something wrong, but the person has repented and started afresh with a new identity, can we forgive them? The Wikipedia policy on the latter seems to be no in theory, but sometimes yes in practice.
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QUOTE(Silverman @ Thu 1st October 2009, 3:36am) QUOTE(the_undertow @ Thu 1st October 2009, 12:00pm) I doubt you liked me as the_undertow. ... But as Law, i grew up and did some observations.
That leads to a deep question, which may deserve its own thread. If someone has several Internet names, as lots of people do, should we judge each identity separately or all the identities collectively by what the person behind them has done? In particular, if one of the identities has done something wrong, but the person has repented and started afresh with a new identity, can we forgive them? The Wikipedia policy on the latter seems to be no in theory, but sometimes yes in practice.
As Law, I did what I could to be the buffer between editors and civility police. I stand by all my administrative actions. I also stand by all the articles I created and improved. As the_undertow, I can only apologize to everyone because I had the option to resign without incident. I was told that there was a small chance that I could continue editing. With that, I opted to resign (since there was no CU evidence), quietly, so long as I could go back to the_undertow. My only other option was to have the tools stripped and equated with the unblock of Child of Midnight. I guess my pride fucked everyone. It's not the first time I have let my friends down. I just hope that nobody believes that my real life persona reflect that of wiki. I fear that the mess I created has spiraled to a point to where even I am in a state. My guilt rivals that of real-life offenses. I can't stop this ride. I have cried, and appealed, and pleaded to stop all of this, but cannot. Things that are beyond my control get to me. The ends justify the means, but the ends here are devastating, even to someone who thinks WP is just a website. The damage I have done is irreversible. Just allow me some time to collect my thoughts. And please, hold off on the white pride, instability bullshit. I need to breathe. I am asking as a friend, and a member.
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QUOTE As Law, I did what I could to be the buffer between editors and civility police. I stand by all my administrative actions. I also stand by all the articles I created and improved. As the_undertow, I can only apologize to everyone because I had the option to resign without incident. I was told that there was a small chance that I could continue editing. With that, I opted to resign (since there was no CU evidence), quietly, so long as I could go back to the_undertow. My only other option was to have the tools stripped and equated with the unblock of Child of Midnight. I guess my pride fucked everyone. It's not the first time I have let my friends down. I just hope that nobody believes that my real life persona reflect that of wiki.
I fear that the mess I created has spiraled to a point to where even I am in a state. My guilt rivals that of real-life offenses. I can't stop this ride. I have cried, and appealed, and pleaded to stop all of this, but cannot. Things that are beyond my control get to me.
The ends justify the means, but the ends here are devastating, even to someone who thinks WP is just a website. The damage I have done is irreversible. Just allow me some time to collect my thoughts. And please, hold off on the white pride, instability bullshit. I need to breathe. I am asking as a friend, and a member.
If it feels any better to know you slipped under someone's radar, I wasn't in on the secret. But then we almost never crossed paths when you were The Undertow. What grates is how policy winks and nudges at this type of situation, then leaves you out in the cold if the past actually surfaces. You and everyone who knew with you. There's been a book called It Ain't Cheatin' If You Don't Get Caught, but imagine if they actually wrote that concept into the baseball rulebook. What astounds me is how readily people bounce from "Oh no, Sam Blacketer!" to "Oh no, Pastor Theo!" to "Oh no, Law!" without connecting the dots. Ecoleetage probably shouldn't ever return. But site culture is all too ready to hang the Scarlet Letter on people's chests for behavior that isn't remotely on his level. Can't say I approve of your return (gotta be consistent--it's a principles thing), but on a practical level going for the admin bit again was a Bad Idea. Mainly wishing it was simpler to return on the up-and-up, like Jack Merridew and Rootology did. And now that you've been at the center of Moar Drama that becomes even harder. Want advice? Just chill and wait for this to pass. Or head over to one of the smaller WMF wikis and do good quiet work for a while. Most of the sister sites are a lot more mellow and supportive, as a function of being small enough that most of the regulars know each other.
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But, I'd never expect the chat room crowd to ... Somey ...I can't count how many times I've seen ... Cock-up-over-conspiracy The problem is that undertow's history include... Somey ...At the same time you were telling us on this fo... Cock-up-over-conspiracy Law's Law ...
"Three Wikipedians can ke... A Horse With No Name I would not trust that such an individual could be... Sarcasticidealist At the same time, however, an argument could be ma... A Horse With No Name As a heterosexual white male, I feel that I alread... Somey An argument could be made. I think it's wrong... LaraLove
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi... Silverman
Oh, and to answer your question (in case it wasn... One
[quote name='TheySeeMeTrollin' post='196827' date... Malleus
[quote name='TheySeeMeTrollin' post='196827' date... lone-wolf This whole matter has certainly forced me to re-ev... Grep
I'm surprised everyone didn't know, I was... MZMcBride Not exactly an open secret, though if anyone had b... LaraLove
Eventually Ironholds figured out that Law was the... Law
[quote name='MZMcBride' post='196838' date='Wed 3... A Horse With No Name
Not exactly an open secret, though if anyone had ... CharlotteWebb I am curious to see how the conversation devolved ... Apathetic
Based on what we know so far the log might have ... MBisanz
[quote name='MZMcBride' post='196838' date='Wed 3... Viridae
[quote name='TheySeeMeTrollin' post='196827' date... Abd It's becoming increasingly painful to look at ... A Horse With No Name To paraphrase Claude Rains in "Casablanca... A Horse With No Name Also worth noting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi... everyking Laughable. No one cares whether the account was im... carbuncle I'm sure Law/The Undertow isn't the only p... CharlotteWebb
I'm sure Law/The Undertow isn't the only ... Tarc Probably regretting that unretirement now to take ... LaraLove
Oh, and to answer your question (in case it wasn... Random832
Fascinating. Yet you continued to rail against th... Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='196889' date='Wed 30th S... Moulton He went up against FeloniousMonk long before ArbCo... LaraLove Nice to see Luke take his typical jab. Such an ass... One
Nice to see Luke take his typical jab. Such an as... trenton Ummm.. this is the guy who became an admin on MMOR... LaraLove
Ummm.. this is the guy who became an admin on MMO... One I wanted to minimize that point by putting under a... LaraLove
I wanted to minimize that point by putting under ... One
I wanted to minimize that point by putting under... Milton Roe
I would not lie to advance my friends. Maybe that... trenton Looks like somebody doesn't understand the dif... Sarcasticidealist When you and your klan buddies go out for a night ... LaraLove
[quote name='LaraLove' post='196931' date='Wed 30... One
It would be optimal if you knew what was being di... Kelly Martin Again, I don't think you're helping your f... Random832 Where I'm from, silence is different from lyin... CharlotteWebb
In response to a question, silence is not and can... Random832
In response to a question, silence is not and ca... Guido den Broeder I don't lie on behalf of anyone.
Makes one won... Apathetic Casliber just announced his resignation LaraLove
It would be optimal if you knew what was being d... Peter Damian This now clarifies a rather threatening email that... LaraLove
Where I'm from, silence is different from lyi... Sarcasticidealist
[quote name='Random832' post='196970' date='Wed 3... A Horse With No Name More fun on today's shitstorm: http://en.wikip... SirFozzie Someone rang?
It was just some free-range thought... LaraLove
[quote name='MZMcBride' post='196838' date='Wed 3... Deodand
[quote name='MZMcBride' post='196838' date='Wed ... One Moral of the story: use WP:RM]].
Freaking bizarre... Kelly Martin Freaking bizarre IRC backstabbing.Didn't I say... Moulton Epic levels of unprofessionalism. The Wales Hunter Only on Wikipedia could a discussion about Andrew ... The Joy I see Daniel gloating over his "epic win.... No one of consequence
I see Daniel gloating over his "epic win.... Anonymous editor
I see Daniel gloating over his "epic win.... SirFozzie Well, Casliber's statement puts a new spin to ... One
Well, Casliber's statement puts a new spin to... A Horse With No Name
Well, Casliber's statement puts a new spin t... Noroton
Well, Casliber's statement puts a new spin to... trenton
Well, Casliber's statement puts a new spin t... SirFozzie Definitely. I was thinking about reading him the r... Kelly Martin Wow, I'd say based on the last comment on Dani... Noroton
Wow, I'd say based on the last comment on Dan... Milton Roe
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http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll1... SirFozzie "Play the game when it amuses me".. who ... Apathetic Eesh, is it a full moon or something?
(wrt the ne... Malleus
This board, and all WR users, have my apologies f... Malleus ... his threat to out you was after you threatened... Deodand
... his threat to out you was after you threatene... Malleus
I doubt you liked me as the_undertow. ... But a... Friday
Most of the sister sites are a lot more mellow an... Wiki Witch of the West
[quote name='Wiki Witch of the West' post='197130... MBisanz
What grates is how [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/... Wiki Witch of the West
What grates is how [url=http://en.wikipedia.org... One
If you come back under a clean start, there is a ... MBisanz
Some of your legal analogies have seemed a little... Newyorkbrad
I fear that the mess I created has spiraled to a ... Friday
I fear that the mess I created has spiraled to a... A Horse With No Name
[quote name='Newyorkbrad' post='197165' date='Thu... Newyorkbrad
[quote name='Newyorkbrad' post='197165' date='Th... A Horse With No Name
I was not. I've just commented in the arbitr... victim of censorship
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='197173' ... Tarc WHAT an obnoxious joke... Lets not have any allusi... victim of censorship
WHAT an obnoxious joke... Lets not have any allus... Deodand
[quote name='Tarc' post='197276' date='Thu 1st Oc... SirFozzie Am I the only one who Laughed my ass off reading t... Anonymous editor
Am I the only one who Laughed my ass off reading ... One This is apparently inspiring Durova to set up an a... Cedric
This is apparently inspiring Durova to set up an ... Wiki Witch of the West
This is apparently inspiring Durova to set up an ... MBisanz
This is apparently inspiring Durova to set up an... Kelly Martin Whee, two days in the sin bin. That'll larn h... LaraLove
This whole matter has certainly forced me to re-e... lone-wolf
This whole matter has certainly forced me to re-... everyking Since the original ban was asinine and the Law acc... One
Since the original ban was asinine and the Law ac... Kelly Martin See, I disagree with everyking on Daniel's fat... Malleus
See, I disagree with everyking on Daniel's fa... Sarcasticidealist Welcome to WR, Durova. Make yourself comfortable.... Wiki Witch of the West
Welcome to WR, Durova. Make yourself comfortable... Alison
[quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='197056' dat... the_undertow i'm not the same person i was 2 years ago when... MBisanz
i'm not the same person i was 2 years ago whe... the_undertow
i'm not the same person i was 2 years ago wh... CharlotteWebb
It is a cat and mouse game and WP's skill lev... Abd my silence here and on wiki is difficult, especial... Alison
In any case, reading the comments about "whi... the_undertow
In any case, reading the comments about "wh... Noroton
For what it's worth. I have never opined here... Malleus
In any case, reading the comments about "wh... Cla68
i'm not the same person i was 2 years ago whe... the_undertow
i'm not the same person i was 2 years ago wh... victim of censorship
Welcome to WR, Durova. Make yourself comfortable... Alison
I consider any wikipeidian admin to be one of the... Sarcasticidealist
Welcome to WR, Durova. Make yourself comfortable... victim of censorship
[quote name='victim of censorship' post='197075' ... Sarcasticidealist Coherent enough for a little snarky over educated ... victim of censorship
[quote name='victim of censorship' post='197083' ... Alison
TAR PIT IT... cowards... its now time to stand to... the_undertow
TAR PIT IT... cowards... its now time to stand t... Sarcasticidealist its now time to stand toe to toe and see what kind... Lar
I have friends (IN REAL LIVE NOT WIKIGAMESPACE) i... Malleus
[quote name='victim of censorship' post='197088' ... Deodand Law/Undertow/Whatever: You seem to be misunderstan... Malleus
Law/Undertow/Whatever: You seem to be misundersta... Deodand
[quote name='Deodand' post='197109' date='Thu 1st... A Horse With No Name She's also been kind enough to say that I have... Appleby
I'm kinda sympathetic to that view. So far as... nableezy
I'm kinda sympathetic to that view. So far a... A Horse With No Name
allegedly someone who admittedly did this, not s... Malleus Okay, Horsey is a jackass who screwed up big time.... A Horse With No Name
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='197280' ... Sarcasticidealist Someone asked me once: If you had your life to liv... A Horse With No Name
Someone asked me once: If you had your life to li... Milton Roe
Someone asked me once: If you had your life to li... Sarcasticidealist
[quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='197358' dat... LaraLove
[quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='197358' da... Sarcasticidealist You look at the question in too simple of terms. I... LaraLove
You look at the question in too simple of terms. ... Milton Roe
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='197361' date='Thu ... the_undertow
Law/Undertow/Whatever: You seem to be misundersta... Anonymous editor
I have friends (IN REAL LIVE NOT WIKIGAMESPACE) ... Anonymous editor
I have friends (IN REAL LIVE NOT WIKIGAMESPACE) ... Friday
I have friends (IN REAL LIVE NOT WIKIGAMESPACE)... the_undertow
Welcome to WR, Durova. Make yourself comfortabl... Kelly Martin Stand by all dramacopters! Anonymous editor What is a "sexual deviate" and how would... victim of censorship
What is a "sexual deviate" and how woul... Anonymous editor
What is a "sexual deviate" and how wou... Cla68
[quote name='victim of censorship' post='197081' ... MZMcBride An admin is blocked for 48 hours for incivility an... Kelly Martin In a lot of ways, it appears to me (from the peanu... LaraLove
:Ahh, I thought you meant literal pinging. Please... A Horse With No Name Upset your sock return wasn't endorsed by a me... Casliber In best Oliver Hardy voice:
...another fine mess ... Juliancolton
I'm off to do some article writing in peace.
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I'm off to do some article writing in peace.... the_undertow
In best Oliver Hardy voice:
...another fine mess... A Horse With No Name
Not much fazes me. I've been in and out of ga... Jim
Everybody makes mistakes. The intelligent peopl... A Horse With No Name
It's awful to interject here like this, and I... Moulton Everybody makes mistakes. The intelligent people ... Moulton A block for a block, and pretty soon everyone in t... Deodand @Lara: makes perfect sense, if you just include IR... SirFozzie and here we go with round 2 on RfArb. :/ Peter Damian
I fear that the mess I created has spiraled to a... trenton Meaning of the term Lone wolf for those who don... lone-wolf
Meaning of the term [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/... LaraLove
Oh, nice to see the Arbcom members like to gossip... A Horse With No Name Actions of my unethical boss with an apparent lac... Deodand
Oh, nice to see the Arbcom members like to gossi... LaraLove
Okay, so disregarding the "IRL threats,... Deodand
[quote name='Deodand' post='197228' date='Thu 1st... LaraLove
[quote name='Deodand' post='197228' date='Thu 1s... Deodand
[quote name='Deodand' post='197268' date='Thu 1st... Tarc Think a problem going forward with an ArbCom is pe... LaraLove My, oh my. JoshuaZ is joining in to take my tool b... Ahypori
My, oh my. JoshuaZ is joining in to take my tool ... MZMcBride Ugh. Friday I don't find it hard to believe that much of t... Guido den Broeder As a side note, the German ArbCom collapsed today,... No one of consequence
As a side note, the German ArbCom collapsed today... Deodand
As a side note, the German ArbCom collapsed today... No one of consequence ~~~~
Your noob is showing :D NuclearWarfare http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Dis...:Schi... CharlotteWebb
As a side note, the German ArbCom collapsed today... everyking
As a side note, the German ArbCom collapsed today... MBisanz
As a side note, the German ArbCom collapsed toda... everyking
[quote name='everyking' post='197319' date='Thu 1... Moulton Surely someone has developed something better than... everyking
[quote name='everyking' post='197323' date='Thu 1... MBisanz
[quote name='everyking' post='197319' date='Thu ... Guido den Broeder Well I know fr.wiki has had significant problems w... Milton Roe
[quote name='everyking' post='197319' date='Thu 1... Moulton Corrupt feudalism didn't work too well for Kin... Moulton Ironically, in the sum of all human knowledge, the... Anonymous editor I find it mildly ironic that Bishonen is such a st... Ahypori
I find it mildly ironic that Bishonen is such a s... A Horse With No Name
Look at the oppose section for Jennavecia's o... Anonymous editor
[quote name='Anonymous editor' post='197333' date... LaraLove
[quote name='Anonymous editor' post='197333' dat... The Joy All of this drama over something that happens ever... everyking
All of this drama over something that happens eve... Moulton The only real solution is to scrap the ArbCom in f... Sarcasticidealist I can't help but to think that if an "old... LaraLove
Ahh, sorry, misunderstanding there - I have the #... Anonymous editor I'm with Sarcasticidealist. If I could start o... Casliber
[quote name='Sarcasticidealist' post='197380' dat... Grep Interesting to see how the discussion continues th... SB_Johnny Wow, 248 posts... idle hands, eh?
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