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Nice to see that fieryangel is using this as an opportunity to get back at wikiproject music editors. There's nothing like settling a grudge, is there? Funny thing when wikipedia doesn't have articles on Francis Poulenc's sextet for piano and wind but has plenty of articles on the lesser known works of "Les Six". (I wrote the article on Darius Milhaud's wind quintet, but then again I wasn't the publisher.)
The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread, I agree with Fowler&Fowler that OR's writing skills, even as a would-be rural hack, are not impressive, certainly not those I would expect of a professional writer. One of those whom OR has attacked is Dieter Bachmann whose biography can be read here. It's very hard to imagine why, since dab is completely reasonable and very knowledgeable. He is also almost 70. OR does remind me a bit of Peter Haines. There are various similarities. Things worked out fine for Peter in the end. |
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the Internet Review Corporation is watching you... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,990 Joined: From: It's all in your mind anyway... Member No.: 577 ![]() |
Nice to see that fieryangel is using this as an opportunity to get back at wikiproject music editors. There's nothing like settling a grudge, is there? Funny thing when wikipedia doesn't have articles on Francis Poulenc's sextet for piano and wind but has plenty of articles on the lesser known works of "Les Six". (I wrote the article on Darius Milhaud's wind quintet, but then again I wasn't the publisher.) Neither was I, although I was accused of that. (I wish I was, however...). I would write the article about Poulenc's sextet, but I was told that I have a COI because of Les Six....even though I don't publish anything by Poulenc....and, of course, I'm still indefinitely blocked, out of process, by Moreschi... Moreschi and Folantin have abused this system for too long. Hopefully, they'll get what they deserve. If anything that I do furthers this objective, so be it. Clear? An appropriate encyclopedic approach to the world religions is to catalog the beliefs practices variations viewed from inside each of the various thought systems, not figure out which one is right of better. Exactly. Which is why things such as the Fringe Theory Noticeboard should not exist. An encyclopedia is not in the business of judging. It's only purpose is to describe how things are, at any given time. So, pasting "fringe" labels on things is outside of the act of creating an encyclopedia. The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread, Yup, nice friends you've got over there...Moreschi just isn't very smart to begin with.... (PS if OR wants this information redacted here, all he needs to do is to post that on his talkpage...However, I believe that this incident is more valuable to him if the proof remains documented here.) |
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the Internet Review Corporation is watching you... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,990 Joined: From: It's all in your mind anyway... Member No.: 577 ![]() |
Antandrus presents his "evidence"... ...except, that when you follow the links to so-called "incivility" and "personal attacks", two things become clear: Antandrus is not a neutral party here at all and OR is being goaded into making these attacks. Clearly, the problem is with both sides. Perhaps finally this point will become apparent. Just because one is a longterm "content producer" doesn't mean that one has a pass to IAR... |
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the Internet Review Corporation is watching you... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,990 Joined: From: It's all in your mind anyway... Member No.: 577 ![]() |
I'll let Bishonen comment on this important piece of "evidence" herself :
QUOTE ===It Was Not a Coincidence=== And finally, the quality, the worthwhileness, of the entire encyclopedia is compromised by my presence, haha! <big><big> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=319096031&oldid=319085290]</big></big> By me! Memememememememememe! Clickclickclickclick on the linklink! [''/me cackles dementedly, dons [[tinfoil hat]].'' ] [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 16:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC). So, Bishonen, is this helpful? (I think that they're all losing their marbles over there....) If you follow that link, you get this : QUOTE :Don't pretend to be the victim. You came to the [[Drapier's Letters]] while it was at FAC and removed something that was utterly essential without discussion. You knew that it was the original dispute between Geogre and I, and you knew that Swift articles were the original problem because you were involved in it. It was not a coincidence that you came there and decided to antagonize and started deleting things inappropriately. You should have been banned long, long ago for your constant abuse and shady tactics. Then this encyclopedia would actually be something worth while. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 19:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC) No "fuck offs", No "stupid twats", nothing even remotely close to the things that JzG dishes out without even a warning...Not nearly as snide as Slimmy can be. Are you people's skins getting thinner or something? Or it that tinfoil hat on your head? (and maybe, just maybe, these people also need to start following the rules too? and maybe she should have been banned for some of this, since other were indeed banned for much less?) So, ARBCOM, do the rules apply to everybody or do they not? That's the question here. Just for the record : I sent an email to several ARBCOM members about this inappropriate behavior on an "evidence" page for an ARBCOM case. We'll see if anything is done... |
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the Internet Review Corporation is watching you... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,990 Joined: From: It's all in your mind anyway... Member No.: 577 ![]() |
Céci explique peut-être cela :
QUOTE ===Geogre's sockpuppetry=== Please see the now deleted Bishonen 4 RfC for evidence of Bishonen knowing that Geogre had a sock puppet for a very long time, aiding that sock puppetry, hiding that sock puppetry, and not doing anything to stop an admin with a sock puppet in edit wars, ban discussions, deletion of pages, and other forms of harassment. Please also note the intersections of this sock puppetry, including the April 2008 DRV, Moreschi's indef block of my account all listed above, Moreschi deleting the RfC out of process and my being blocked for restoring an RfC which had no AfD or correct CSD which would have made any prohibition of restoring it. [[User:Ottava Rima|Ottava Rima]] ([[User talk:Ottava Rima|talk]]) 16:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC) Moreschi acting out of process again? You don't say? We must have a thread somewhere about this busines, but I can't find it... |
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We must have a thread somewhere about this busines, but I can't find it... I'm pretty sure it was mentioned, but IIRC it was while Ottava was an active member here, so naturally it immediately devolved into a flamewar between him and everyone else, godless heathen scum that we are. Frankly, most of us probably would have been cheering the Bishonen/Geogre/Moreschi team on during that incident, rather than pointing out any perceived hypocrisy or lack of fairness on their part. The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread... True, but they won't find us by Googling his name, which is the main thing. I actually think this is one of those cases where it's important that Wikipedians know where this particular "editor" is coming from, ideologically speaking. That doesn't mean they have to know anything more than his name and where to find his column - they don't - but regardless, this is definitely not a person who appears to be inclined towards "neutrality" on much of anything, despite his protestations to the contrary. Ottava is also fortunate in that there's a perennial third-party presidential candidate with the same name as him, whose politics are about as far from Ottava's as one can practically get. Most of the Google hits, etc., are going to be for that guy, which is always nice if you're trying to stay "under the radar." QUOTE ...I agree with Fowler&Fowler that OR's writing skills, even as a would-be rural hack, are not impressive, certainly not those I would expect of a professional writer. But they are those I would expect of a semi-professional polemicist... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/bored.gif) |
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QUOTE The OUTING of Ottava Rima has been noticed on wikipedia and the giveway quote on Moreschi's talk page removed. It might be oversighted although it's probably too late, particularly since the quote has been posted in this thread... True, but they won't find us by Googling his name, which is the main thing. I actually think this is one of those cases where it's important that Wikipedians know where this particular "editor" is coming from, ideologically speaking. That doesn't mean they have to know anything more than his name and where to find his column - they don't - but regardless, this is definitely not a person who appears to be inclined towards "neutrality" on much of anything, despite his protestations to the contrary. Ottava is also fortunate in that there's a perennial third-party presidential candidate with the same name as him, whose politics are about as far from Ottava's as one can practically get. Most of the Google hits, etc., are going to be for that guy, which is always nice if you're trying to stay "under the radar." QUOTE ...I agree with Fowler&Fowler that OR's writing skills, even as a would-be rural hack, are not impressive, certainly not those I would expect of a professional writer. But they are those I would expect of a semi-professional polemicist... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/bored.gif) I agree with you, Somey. The column is helpful in understanding him. Oddly enough I do feel a little sorry for OR. He seems to have got into a terrible trap, although mostly of his own making. One of those seven deadly sins rearing their ugly heads again ... |
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the Internet Review Corporation is watching you... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,990 Joined: From: It's all in your mind anyway... Member No.: 577 ![]() |
I agree with you, Somey. The column is helpful in understanding him. Oddly enough I do feel a little sorry for OR. He seems to have got into a terrible trap, although mostly of his own making. One of those seven deadly sins rearing their ugly heads again ... Yes, and whose trap is this? Can anyone, other than OR, be considered responsible for this situation? Could it be that your friends are not as innocent as you would like to have us believe? Feeling empathy is often the first step towards understanding. Congratulations! You're finally seeing the harm that this kind of railroading can create. (Not to say that OR didn't bring much of this on himself. It's just that he's not the only person here who's created this mess...) |
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I agree with you, Somey. The column is helpful in understanding him. Oddly enough I do feel a little sorry for OR. He seems to have got into a terrible trap, although mostly of his own making. One of those seven deadly sins rearing their ugly heads again ... Yes, and whose trap is this? Can anyone, other than OR, be considered responsible for this situation? Could it be that your friends are not as innocent as you would like to have us believe? Feeling empathy is often the first step towards understanding. Congratulations! You're finally seeing the harm that this kind of railroading can create. (Not to say that OR didn't bring much of this on himself. It's just that he's not the only person here who's created this mess...) Fieryangel, you seem to be using this thread as your own blog. I notice I've been mentioned along with my tag-team member Dougweller by Folantin on the evidence page. OR was trying to dismiss a university lecturer in the University of Cambridge, on the grounds that it's extremely easy to be appointed lecturer. That is quite untrue. However, it is the sort of thing that jumped up graduate students say all the time on wikipedia. Their other error is to think that everybody else is also a jumped up graduate student. QUOTE L'orgueil est une opinion très avantageuse, le plus souvent exagérée, qu'on a de sa valeur personnelle aux dépens de la considération due àautrui, àla différence de la fierté qui n'a nul besoin de se mesurer àl'autre ni de le rabaisser. Manque ou absence d'humilité. Dans la religion catholique, il désigne un péché capital, celui qui donne le sentiment d'être plus important et plus méritant que les autres, de ne rien devoir àpersonne, ce qui se traduit par un mépris pour les autres et le reste de la création et un rejet de la révélation et de la miséricorde divines. This post has been edited by Mathsci: |
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the Internet Review Corporation is watching you... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,990 Joined: From: It's all in your mind anyway... Member No.: 577 ![]() |
QUOTE L'orgueil est une opinion très avantageuse, le plus souvent exagérée, qu'on a de sa valeur personnelle aux dépens de la considération due àautrui, àla différence de la fierté qui n'a nul besoin de se mesurer àl'autre ni de le rabaisser. Manque ou absence d'humilité. . Thank you for pointing this out. You might try reading this last bit aloud several times a day, to remind yourself of this fact. Wikipédia, comme la réligion Catholique, a ses rituels qui sont absolument necessaire àrespecter, mais qui sont, également, soumis àla structure hiérarchique pour leur pratique dans l'absolue. En effet, vous et vos amis, en tant qu'administrateur, sont (théoriquement) soumissent àune comportement plus formellement polie que celle des simples utilisateurs. Donc, vos manquement frequentes àces règles comportementales sont ainsi plus condemnables. Si la comité d'arbitration était vraiment juste, vous et vos semblables seraient punis plus sévèrement que les utilisateurs. Mais, pour les raisons politiques (la comité est, sur le papier, soumise àla commauté, autrement dit les cinquante personnes qui, comme vous, sont responsable pour la plupart des ces diversions tellement amusantes....), ceci n'est point appliqué. C'est bien cette atmosphère de non-conformité aux regles que je trouve injuste ici et je denounce fermement. Que vous l'acceptez ou pas, c'est bien ma position. Dans le cas présent, il n'y a pas l'un pour l'achèter l'autre.... Are you satisfied now? Can we go back to English? (I don't mind continuing in French, if you're so inclined, but it's rather impolite...not that this has stopped any of you before...) This comment is really funny in context, especially when you know of all of the backstabbing that Folatin has done in the past with Moreschi : QUOTE ::Yes, it's irrelevant. I'm pretty sure all the people posting evidence against Ottava are highly productive users and they manage to edit Wikipedia without causing major drama. They would probably have been even more productive had Ottava not wasted so much of their time. --[[User:Folantin|Folantin]] ([[User talk:Folantin|talk]]) 10:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC) Yeah, kind of like that Swedish literature article that you and Moreschi did such a good job "ocrrecting" to get revenge for somebody opposing Moreschi's FAC for his pet article.... At least he's being careful how he phrases things, since he obviously knows that people are onto this tagteam game....However, OR is doing a very good job of lining those diffs up... |
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