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There are some strong accusations being thrown out about members of a certain closed mailing list. QUOTE Concentrated stalking and attacks against Russavia
Yesterday a member of a closed e-mail list named "Wikipediametric" forwarded me their archive asking me to do something about it. Out of the 3000+ emails more than a half is filled with discussion how "to get" and "attack" Russavia. Among the suggested methods were stalking Russavia edits, carefully crafted edit warring (making sure that no member of the group would make more than one or two reverts), low level personal attacks designed to engineer civility blocks for Russavia's responses, block shopping, attempts to out Russavia. "Friends of Russavia", particular User:PasswordUsername, User:Offliner, User:YMB29 as well as User:Anonimu were also under similar attack. The group was also discussing ways to plant their own checkusers, methods of creating sockpuppets untraceable by checkusering, etc. So far I have not found a single discussion or even kudos for creating noncontroversial wiki content but long series of joy on every block for the people listed as their enemies, particular Russavia. They specifically discussed how to nurture special relations with Sandstein and use them to block their enemies. Among the most active members are User:Digwuren, User:Biophys, User:Piotrus, User:Molobo, User:Radeksz. The emails are almost certainly genuine. It looks like for at list half a year Russavia was a target of constant coordinated attacks by a group of active wikipedians quite skillful in the art of achieving victory by banning their opponents. I am not sure he was aware of this particular group but the editing history of articles touched by Russavia is quite telling by itself. I do not think it is in the project best interest to let them succeed.
I am not sure what to do about this archive. I will forward it to the Arbcom and I could provide it to any administrator I trust. I would not give it to nonadmins (including Russavia himself) or anybody else (unless the authors give me permissions) as it contain a significant amount of personal information that might be abused. Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC) This post has been edited by carbuncle:
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QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 5:06pm) According to new, now oversighted evidence that I saw before it was oversighted, it appears the EEML never stopped colluding even after the case had started and has maintained an active mailing list through today working on, you guessed it, Eastern European Wiki articles.
If you would've looked at the oversighted evidence carefully you would've seen me requesting to be unsubscribed from the list awhile back. And the fact that the list was/is still around, mostly talking about articles in newspapers, watching the case, and posting little "so and so just voted" messages wasn't a secret since Wikipedia Review's very own Abd is on the list now (I don't know if he still is) and said as much recently. How the hell you get the things you said on the case page about "going after" people I have no idea. And that from an email title. Seriously, WTF?
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 4th December 2009, 1:53am) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 5:06pm) According to new, now oversighted evidence that I saw before it was oversighted, it appears the EEML never stopped colluding even after the case had started and has maintained an active mailing list through today working on, you guessed it, Eastern European Wiki articles.
If you would've looked at the oversighted evidence carefully you would've seen me requesting to be unsubscribed from the list awhile back. And the fact that the list was/is still around, mostly talking about articles in newspapers, watching the case, and posting little "so and so just voted" messages wasn't a secret since Wikipedia Review's very own Abd is on the list now (I don't know if he still is) and said as much recently. How the hell you get the things you said on the case page about "going after" people I have no idea. And that from an email title. Seriously, WTF? Do you give me permission to quote one of the subject lines you sent?
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QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:12pm) QUOTE(radek @ Fri 4th December 2009, 1:53am) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 5:06pm) According to new, now oversighted evidence that I saw before it was oversighted, it appears the EEML never stopped colluding even after the case had started and has maintained an active mailing list through today working on, you guessed it, Eastern European Wiki articles.
If you would've looked at the oversighted evidence carefully you would've seen me requesting to be unsubscribed from the list awhile back. And the fact that the list was/is still around, mostly talking about articles in newspapers, watching the case, and posting little "so and so just voted" messages wasn't a secret since Wikipedia Review's very own Abd is on the list now (I don't know if he still is) and said as much recently. How the hell you get the things you said on the case page about "going after" people I have no idea. And that from an email title. Seriously, WTF? Do you give me permission to quote one of the subject lines you sent? Sure. Do you mean "Flo shows her true colors"?
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QUOTE(radek @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 8:50pm) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:12pm) QUOTE(radek @ Fri 4th December 2009, 1:53am) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 5:06pm) According to new, now oversighted evidence that I saw before it was oversighted, it appears the EEML never stopped colluding even after the case had started and has maintained an active mailing list through today working on, you guessed it, Eastern European Wiki articles.
If you would've looked at the oversighted evidence carefully you would've seen me requesting to be unsubscribed from the list awhile back. And the fact that the list was/is still around, mostly talking about articles in newspapers, watching the case, and posting little "so and so just voted" messages wasn't a secret since Wikipedia Review's very own Abd is on the list now (I don't know if he still is) and said as much recently. How the hell you get the things you said on the case page about "going after" people I have no idea. And that from an email title. Seriously, WTF? Do you give me permission to quote one of the subject lines you sent? Sure. Do you mean "Flo shows her true colors"? Uhhh ... of course in the above I'm making the assumption that you know the difference between relevant stuff and personal info (which you don't have my permission to quote)
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 4th December 2009, 4:03am) QUOTE(radek @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 8:50pm) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 7:12pm) QUOTE(radek @ Fri 4th December 2009, 1:53am) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 5:06pm) According to new, now oversighted evidence that I saw before it was oversighted, it appears the EEML never stopped colluding even after the case had started and has maintained an active mailing list through today working on, you guessed it, Eastern European Wiki articles.
If you would've looked at the oversighted evidence carefully you would've seen me requesting to be unsubscribed from the list awhile back. And the fact that the list was/is still around, mostly talking about articles in newspapers, watching the case, and posting little "so and so just voted" messages wasn't a secret since Wikipedia Review's very own Abd is on the list now (I don't know if he still is) and said as much recently. How the hell you get the things you said on the case page about "going after" people I have no idea. And that from an email title. Seriously, WTF? Do you give me permission to quote one of the subject lines you sent? Sure. Do you mean "Flo shows her true colors"? Uhhh ... of course in the above I'm making the assumption that you know the difference between relevant stuff and personal info (which you don't have my permission to quote) I would be interested in a translation of: ArbCom election‎ - Niektorych nie znam, ale z tymi ktorych znam to sie zgadzam z Twoja opinia.. oprocz Jehomann. Cos …
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QUOTE(MBisanz @ Fri 4th December 2009, 3:21am) I would be interested in a translation of: ArbCom election‎ - Niektorych nie znam, ale z tymi ktorych znam to sie zgadzam z Twoja opinia.. oprocz Jehomann. Cos …
I was meaning to start posting here anyway, why not know? I will be more than happy to translate that for you. Behold the words of evil and hate, and tremble: "ArbCom election‎ - Niektorych nie znam, ale z tymi ktorych znam to sie zgadzam z Twoja opinia.. oprocz Jehomann. Cos …" translated gives "ArbCom election‎ - I don't know all of those, but regarding those I know I agree with your opinion, except [that on] Jehomann. Something..." Is there anything else you'd like to have translated from our private evil correspondence? In return, can you tell me: do you agree or disagree that people have the right to discuss things like arbitration elections in emails? This post has been edited by Deputy Cabal Ringleader:
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QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 4th December 2009, 6:20am) QUOTE(Deputy Cabal Ringleader @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 11:28pm) Behold the words of evil and hate, and tremble:
"ArbCom election‎ - Niektorych nie znam, ale z tymi ktorych znam to sie zgadzam z Twoja opinia.. oprocz Jehomann. Cos …" translated gives "ArbCom election‎ - I don't know all of those, but regarding those I know I agree with your opinion, except [that on] Jehomann. Something..." Ahh, but assuming the person quoted is referring here to WP administrator Jehochman (T-C-L-K-R-D)
, this only proves you're trying to deceive us! Everyone knows there couldn't possibly be any disagreement about that guy: He looks a bit dweeby. Not sure about dweeby; reminds me of this guy (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Anyway, there is a disagreement about his suitability for an arbitrator among editors I've chatted about it. Personally, I am leaning towards a weak support. Now, I wonder: will such a (weak) endorsement from me help or hinder him? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) PS. Based on my recent experiences, I fully expect that this exchange will make it into ArbCom case as finding that we are manipulating the election and harassing Jehochman (alt versions: Jehochman is our sock/meatpuppet, or we are canvassing for him, or all at once) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Hmmm, I wonder if all editors who posted in this thread will be added as parties? Or maybe all members of this site... prepare for the worst (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by Deputy Cabal Ringleader:
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QUOTE(Deputy Cabal Ringleader @ Fri 4th December 2009, 12:33am) QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 4th December 2009, 6:20am) QUOTE(Deputy Cabal Ringleader @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 11:28pm) Behold the words of evil and hate, and tremble:
"ArbCom election‎ - Niektorych nie znam, ale z tymi ktorych znam to sie zgadzam z Twoja opinia.. oprocz Jehomann. Cos …" translated gives "ArbCom election‎ - I don't know all of those, but regarding those I know I agree with your opinion, except [that on] Jehomann. Something..." Ahh, but assuming the person quoted is referring here to WP administrator Jehochman (T-C-L-K-R-D)
, this only proves you're trying to deceive us! Everyone knows there couldn't possibly be any disagreement about that guy: He looks a bit dweeby. Not sure about dweeby; reminds me of this guy (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Anyway, there is a disagreement about his suitability for an arbitrator among editors I've chatted about it. Personally, I am leaning towards a weak support. Now, I wonder: will such a (weak) endorsement from me help or hinder him? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) PS. Based on my recent experiences, I fully expect that this exchange will make it into ArbCom case as finding that we are manipulating the election and harassing Jehochman (alt versions: Jehochman is our sock/meatpuppet, or we are canvassing for him, or all at once) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Hmmm, I wonder if all editors who posted in this thread will be added as parties? Or maybe all members of this site... prepare for the worst (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Hell, I may as well make my sympathies known and expose my fellow cabal members in the process. I like ... Wehwalt, simply because he's a content creator. I also like Cla and I was sloppy about mentioning previously that I like a few other folks for the same reason. Jehomann is a toughy though. Piotrus likes him, I'm neutral, Jacurek (Jacek, I hope it's ok to post tihs) doesn't. Which means we basically cancel each other out. We're a super ultra dooper efficient cabal you see. Freakin' insane that we talk about this isn't it? Accordin to Coren however (for whom I voted a very big "oppose") this constitutes "ongoing disruption". A quick question: can we have our own thread/space here on Wikipedia Review where we carry on our evil shenangians since aapparantly saying stuff like this is OK here, but if you do it in a private email it's like the worst thing ever. For what it's worth I think Flo's votes were all messed up too.
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And here is my "official" statement I sent to Arb Com. If anyone wants details on any of the "dirt" I'll be happy to oblige at least with my portions of what I said.
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Sometime in late November I began working on my Schieder commission article.
I had emailed a version of the article to a couple people to ask for any comments and proofread it, Molobo emailed me back with some suggestions and additional sources. I emailed it back to him, he emailed it back to me, etc.
I started the article on Dec 1st. On Dec 3rd Molobo emailed me with some additional sources which he though I could add to the article. I checked them on Google Books, they were useful so I began adding them in. I copied the sources along with some text and pasted them into the article, made some changes and clicked preview. Then my computer locked up – when it unfroze I saw that my gmail front page got pasted in along with some text from the email and posted as an edit. I’m guessing that because of the computer hiccup I pressed some buttons which I didn’t mean to press and so copy pasted whole bunch of personal stuff.
Since the gmail front page had a whole lot of personal information I immediately emailed several oversighters asking for the edit to be deleted. I emailed Yellow Monkey, Mailer Diablo, Luna Santin, and Fred Bauer (there may be somebody else on that list who I forgot – I was panicking at the time given the personal info that was there) who were basically like random names I clicked on the oversighters list – there was no reason or logic to these choices I was just choosing people on the oversighters list. Fred Bauer was first to respond and he removed the edit, which for some reason was still accessible after being oversighted. Fred Bauer was in no way aware that this was somehow related to the ArbCom case – honestly, I didn’t think at the time it would be either, though I probably should’ve anticipated that it would be twisted and misued as has happened.
I then noticed that Skapperod had posted about the edit on the case evidence page (suspiciously quickly, especially given the time zone difference), implying that somehow Durova was involved in the mailing list. This made me freak out even more since I thought that Durova was being accused of something - what can I say, I realize that at the moment any kind of association with my self is problematic so my thought was "fuck, they're gonna go after Durova just because her name got posted there and she's got nothing to do with this". I felt horrible that someone completely innocent could get blamed. Since Durova shows up in my gmail sidebar because I had once or twice emailed her (in June of this year) – this is how she wound up in the copy/paste edit – and because I noticed she was online I immediately contacted her to inform her of the situation. The log of that conversation should’ve been forwarded to the committee by Durova. The rest is obvious.
The stuff that was accidentally posted involved people’s email addresses that had written me recently, a few subject headings and some first lines of emails.
I’d be perfectly happy to answer any questions about Wikipedia relevant emails I have sent, or at least my portions of them (others can be asked for permission). None of them constituted “Ongoing disruptionâ€. They were mostly:
1. Molobo emailing me sources and suggestions for the article and me emailing him back 2. People from the mailing list sending each other “so-and-so voted on the ArbCom case†notifications 3. People from the mailing list sending each other links to newspaper and magazine articles 4. A few comments and opinions on how the ArbCom case was developing 5. People from the mailing list responding to my announcement that as soon as the case is done I was leaving Wikipedia 6. People on the mailing list commenting on some of the candidates in the ArbCom election. It also had the subject header for my email in which I expressed an opinion on some of the candidates, including Jehomann. Jehomann was mentioned a bit more than others basically because people disagree on him. Piotrus supports him, I’m neutral, Jacurek opposes him.
It also included my “unsubscribe†email from the mailing list, which somehow nobody bothered to mention and some of the “People from the mailing list†emails mentioned above were forwards or people responding directly to me.
I have not engaged in any “disruptive†activity since the case began. I’ve avoided AfDs, RMs, etc. I wrote a few articles and made some edits.
There is no “ongoing disruptionâ€, nothing in the oversighted edit shows that there was, and like I said, I’ll happily forward my portion of the entire emails to the ArbCom (or the whole thing if others agree).
With few redactions I'm gonna post this on Wikipedia Review since there's some misunderstandings as to this going on as well.
I also want to add that Fred B oversighting the edit was completely random and he's got nothing to do with this.
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 4th December 2009, 8:51am) And here is my "official" statement I sent to Arb Com. If anyone wants details on any of the "dirt" I'll be happy to oblige at least with my portions of what I said.
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Sometime in late November I began working on my Schieder commission article.
I had emailed a version of the article to a couple people to ask for any comments and proofread it, Molobo emailed me back with some suggestions and additional sources. I emailed it back to him, he emailed it back to me, etc.
I started the article on Dec 1st. On Dec 3rd Molobo emailed me with some additional sources which he though I could add to the article. I checked them on Google Books, they were useful so I began adding them in. I copied the sources along with some text and pasted them into the article, made some changes and clicked preview. Then my computer locked up – when it unfroze I saw that my gmail front page got pasted in along with some text from the email and posted as an edit. I’m guessing that because of the computer hiccup I pressed some buttons which I didn’t mean to press and so copy pasted whole bunch of personal stuff.
Since the gmail front page had a whole lot of personal information I immediately emailed several oversighters asking for the edit to be deleted. I emailed Yellow Monkey, Mailer Diablo, Luna Santin, and Fred Bauer (there may be somebody else on that list who I forgot – I was panicking at the time given the personal info that was there) who were basically like random names I clicked on the oversighters list – there was no reason or logic to these choices I was just choosing people on the oversighters list. Fred Bauer was first to respond and he removed the edit, which for some reason was still accessible after being oversighted. Fred Bauer was in no way aware that this was somehow related to the ArbCom case – honestly, I didn’t think at the time it would be either, though I probably should’ve anticipated that it would be twisted and misued as has happened.
I then noticed that Skapperod had posted about the edit on the case evidence page (suspiciously quickly, especially given the time zone difference), implying that somehow Durova was involved in the mailing list. This made me freak out even more since I thought that Durova was being accused of something - what can I say, I realize that at the moment any kind of association with my self is problematic so my thought was "fuck, they're gonna go after Durova just because her name got posted there and she's got nothing to do with this". I felt horrible that someone completely innocent could get blamed. Since Durova shows up in my gmail sidebar because I had once or twice emailed her (in June of this year) – this is how she wound up in the copy/paste edit – and because I noticed she was online I immediately contacted her to inform her of the situation. The log of that conversation should’ve been forwarded to the committee by Durova. The rest is obvious.
The stuff that was accidentally posted involved people’s email addresses that had written me recently, a few subject headings and some first lines of emails.
I’d be perfectly happy to answer any questions about Wikipedia relevant emails I have sent, or at least my portions of them (others can be asked for permission). None of them constituted “Ongoing disruptionâ€. They were mostly:
1. Molobo emailing me sources and suggestions for the article and me emailing him back 2. People from the mailing list sending each other “so-and-so voted on the ArbCom case†notifications 3. People from the mailing list sending each other links to newspaper and magazine articles 4. A few comments and opinions on how the ArbCom case was developing 5. People from the mailing list responding to my announcement that as soon as the case is done I was leaving Wikipedia 6. People on the mailing list commenting on some of the candidates in the ArbCom election. It also had the subject header for my email in which I expressed an opinion on some of the candidates, including Jehomann. Jehomann was mentioned a bit more than others basically because people disagree on him. Piotrus supports him, I’m neutral, Jacurek opposes him.
It also included my “unsubscribe†email from the mailing list, which somehow nobody bothered to mention and some of the “People from the mailing list†emails mentioned above were forwards or people responding directly to me.
I have not engaged in any “disruptive†activity since the case began. I’ve avoided AfDs, RMs, etc. I wrote a few articles and made some edits.
There is no “ongoing disruptionâ€, nothing in the oversighted edit shows that there was, and like I said, I’ll happily forward my portion of the entire emails to the ArbCom (or the whole thing if others agree).
With few redactions I'm gonna post this on Wikipedia Review since there's some misunderstandings as to this going on as well.
I also want to add that Fred B oversighting the edit was completely random and he's got nothing to do with this.
If you ever have the issue again, sending it via Oversight-L will send it to all oversighters at once.
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In other words, you learnt about the topic. In W... Kelly Martin This would seem to be in conflict, at least on an ... Kelly Martin And once again Wikipedia reminds its editors: ... Abd And once again Wikipedia reminds its editors: ... CharlotteWebb The most egregious finding of fact I see so far is... Abd Some specifics. Coren has drafted findings of fact... CharlotteWebb
The citations to the mailing list are supposed to... Abd
I understand he is French-Canadian eh so you migh... Malleus I find small town America really scary. God knows,... CharlotteWebb
[quote name='CharlotteWebb' post='199290' date='M... A Horse With No Name In regard to this proposal:
"Piotrus topic ... Abd In regard to this proposal:
"Piotrus topic ... Malleus
I find small town America really scary. God knows... Eva Destruction
[quote name='Abd' post='199302' date='Mon 12th Oc... A Horse With No Name Dragging the thread back on topic, this is one of... Abd I hated small-town America for exactly this reason... YellowMonkey These gimmick cases of POV disputes clouded by sen... EricBarbour Well, so far, it doesn't look good for Coren.
... Sarcasticidealist Well, so far, it doesn't look good for Coren.H... dogbiscuit Perhaps the saddest indictment of the ArbCom proce... Kelly Martin Perhaps the saddest indictment of the ArbCom proce... dogbiscuit
Perhaps the saddest indictment of the ArbCom proc... Abd Fundamentally, in any system where the rules do no... SB_Johnny Heh, took a bit to find where the thread on this w... Abd Continuing the analysis of evidence re Piotrus, pr... Deacon
The list "cabal" is a majority-POV-pus... Abd
The list members are all highly nationalistic, an... Deacon
The list members are all highly nationalistic, a... Abd I've been dealing with this stuff for years, h... Deacon
Actually, I wasn't talking to you, except for... EricBarbour Sadly, while you may think you sound like Clint Ea... A Horse With No Name
Sadly, while you may think you sound like Clint E... Abd Sadly, while you may think you sound like Clint Ea... A Horse With No Name Horse, for that you win a free LR-115 radiation de... Abd
Horse, for that you win a free LR-115 radiation d... Milton Roe
Sadly, while you may think you sound like Clint ... Achromatic
I'm subscribed to the list now, and, suffice ... Abd [quote name='Abd' post='199889' date='Thu 15th Oct... Digwuren the Grey
:lol:
Ever considered a career in comedy?
[...... Trick cyclist
What language would these people call their own?
... Digwuren the Grey
[quote name='Digwuren%20the%20Grey' post='209382'... The Joy Why is the ArbCom reluctant to indefinitely ban ev... EricBarbour Coren started posting his "remedies" bac... Sarcasticidealist Coren started posting his "remedies" bac... Abd [quote name='EricBarbour' post='199536' date='Wed ... Abd Coren's agenda. , two proposed remedies which ... A Horse With No Name Is this case still dragging on? Someone let me kn... Abd Coren continued
The problem is that this happens o... A Horse With No Name
In this case, I think it's just one administ... Milton Roe
And for that matter, let's make an effort to ... YellowMonkey
The only way we can enact serious change on WP ... Abd In this case, I think it's just one administra... Milton Roe
We also have to acknowledge an ugly fact that Pio... A Horse With No Name :hmmm: That is just shocking if true. We've n... Abd Very nice, perhaps, and I have evidence for that, ... radek [quote name='A Horse With No Name' date=... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Radek, learn how to quote properly :) Hint: you ne... A Horse With No Name
While I'm here I also wanted to respond to th... A Horse With No Name For those who got distracted by Mr. Miller and his... A Horse With No Name Overlooked in recent days is another BLP AfD, this... A Horse With No Name Giving credit where it is due: thanks to Backward ... The Joy
Giving credit where it is due: thanks to Backward... A Horse With No Name
Not so fast, Horsey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi... The Joy
[quote name='The Joy' post='202670' date='Mon 2nd... Cedric
[quote name='The Joy' post='202670' date='Mon 2nd... A Horse With No Name Meanwhile, in Oceania: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/i... Abd I I like how Manning rewrites history: "For t... Guesswork Orange I think Piotrus resigned because he wasn't usi... radek All you've done there is just list everytime t... Digwuren the Grey
Off-wiki communication is what could dethrone the... Digwuren the Grey
Meanwhile, in Oceania: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/... thekohser
It may not be *the* standard procedure, but it su... Digwuren the Grey
You have to love a community/system/tribunal that... radek
I would be interested in a translation of: ArbCom... MBisanz
""I would be interested in a translat... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
I wasn't asking you to translate to confirm w... TungstenCarbide EDIT: I just found what made Radek so angry. I am ... carbuncle Just so it's not all "take", here... Abd Just so it's not all "take", here... Milton Roe
(If we don't make decisions by vote, please e... Abd [quote name='Abd' post='208288' date='Fri 4th Dece... Somey It's both. I'm still not as negative as yo... Kelly Martin The "system," such as it is, is brillian... Random832
[quote name='Somey' post='208443' date='Sat 5th D... Kelly Martin [quote name='Somey' post='208443' date='Sat 5th De... radek
[quote name='Random832' post='208545' date='Sat 5... radek
I wasn't asking you to translate to confirm w... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
There ain't crap in there and you know it.
... RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
[quote name='radek' post='208123' date='Fri 4th ... everyking I find the ArbCom's own mailing list to be a m... Sarcasticidealist Welcome to WR, Piotrus. Guesswork Orange Even so this thread is strategically spammed by th... A Horse With No Name
I recognized my mistakes and now we are only beat... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Interesting... Somey [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wik... radek
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi... Milton Roe
Yes and this was a "voting bloc" that r... Mathsci Does Abd's ban stop in time for him to vote? V... Abd Does Abd's ban stop in time for him to vote? V... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='208374' date='Fri 4th... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
Abd has apparently joined the EEML.
As I believ... Abd [quote name='Mathsci' post='208579' date='Sun 6th ... wjhonson Can people whose names start with A please stop po... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
I have no problem with the existence of a mailing... Guesswork Orange
I have no problem with the existence of a mailin... radek
[quote name='Deputy Cabal Ringleader' post='20871... Abd While we're on the subject, I think the one ba... Abd Can people whose names start with A please stop po... Guesswork Orange
We are not a closed group, applications are welco... wjhonson But Halibutt is not gone.
See this link
Or did y... radek
It's a matter of perspective. Take a look at... radek
But Halibutt is not gone.
See this link
Or did ... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
But Halibutt is not gone.
[url=http://en.wikiped... Guesswork Orange The new information leak (Radek wanted to copy... Somey
The new information leak (Radek wanted to copy... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
[quote name='Guesswork Orange' post='208433' date... Guesswork Orange
[quote name='Somey' post='208438' date='Sat 5th D... radek
[quote name='Somey' post='208438' date='Sat 5th ... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Radek, why are you bothering with a SPA who doesn... radek
The new information leak (Radek wanted to copy... Somey My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I... Wiki Witch of the West
My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I... radek
[quote name='radek' post='208534' date='Sat 5th D... MBisanz
[quote name='Somey' post='208537' date='Sat 5th D... radek
Alllllllrrrriiiighhhhht lemme ask this one more ... MBisanz
Alllllllrrrriiiighhhhht lemme ask this one more... radek
See what I posted at the arb com Evidence page. ... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Radek, give it a rest. I already told you that it ... Guesswork Orange Anyway - I posted all the email headers at the ca... radek
[quote name='radek' post='208534' date='Sun 6th D... Abd For example, the biggest email thread contains 46 ... MBisanz
[quote name='Guesswork Orange' post='208433' date... JohnA Somey:
I'll struggle to find a better synop... Sarcasticidealist I confess that, based solely on what's been pr...
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