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There are some strong accusations being thrown out about members of a certain closed mailing list. QUOTE Concentrated stalking and attacks against Russavia
Yesterday a member of a closed e-mail list named "Wikipediametric" forwarded me their archive asking me to do something about it. Out of the 3000+ emails more than a half is filled with discussion how "to get" and "attack" Russavia. Among the suggested methods were stalking Russavia edits, carefully crafted edit warring (making sure that no member of the group would make more than one or two reverts), low level personal attacks designed to engineer civility blocks for Russavia's responses, block shopping, attempts to out Russavia. "Friends of Russavia", particular User:PasswordUsername, User:Offliner, User:YMB29 as well as User:Anonimu were also under similar attack. The group was also discussing ways to plant their own checkusers, methods of creating sockpuppets untraceable by checkusering, etc. So far I have not found a single discussion or even kudos for creating noncontroversial wiki content but long series of joy on every block for the people listed as their enemies, particular Russavia. They specifically discussed how to nurture special relations with Sandstein and use them to block their enemies. Among the most active members are User:Digwuren, User:Biophys, User:Piotrus, User:Molobo, User:Radeksz. The emails are almost certainly genuine. It looks like for at list half a year Russavia was a target of constant coordinated attacks by a group of active wikipedians quite skillful in the art of achieving victory by banning their opponents. I am not sure he was aware of this particular group but the editing history of articles touched by Russavia is quite telling by itself. I do not think it is in the project best interest to let them succeed.
I am not sure what to do about this archive. I will forward it to the Arbcom and I could provide it to any administrator I trust. I would not give it to nonadmins (including Russavia himself) or anybody else (unless the authors give me permissions) as it contain a significant amount of personal information that might be abused. Alex Bakharev (talk) 05:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC) This post has been edited by carbuncle:
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The new information leak (Radek wanted to copy'n'paste an email of the banned user Molobo to Wikipedia, but had copied too much) showed not only Radeksz's recent off-wiki continuation but revealed a part of his GTalk buddylist.
Obviously Radek has at least Biophys, Dc76, Digwuren, Durova, Martintg and Molobo in his GTalk contact list, unsurprisingly all of them involved in the EEML arbitration case. Those who thought that the mailing list was the only channel apparently have forgotten that it is about a network of collusion regardless of the form of secret communication. Instant messenger is the favorite channel of the EEML because it allows much faster response times for coordination, especially during revert wars to trap their opponents in the 24-hour period.
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QUOTE(Guesswork Orange @ Sat 5th December 2009, 11:06am) The new information leak (Radek wanted to copy'n'paste an email of the banned user Molobo to Wikipedia, but had copied too much) showed not only Radeksz's recent off-wiki continuation but revealed a part of his GTalk buddylist.
Obviously Radek has at least Biophys, Dc76, Digwuren, Durova, Martintg and Molobo in his GTalk contact list, unsurprisingly all of them involved in the EEML arbitration case. Those who thought that the mailing list was the only channel apparently have forgotten that it is about a network of collusion regardless of the form of secret communication. Instant messenger is the favorite channel of the EEML because it allows much faster response times for coordination, especially during revert wars to trap their opponents in the 24-hour period.
My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I've emailed in the past to it. Durova is not "involved" in EEML case. I havent heard from Biophys in a very long time (basically since the case started). I had some limited communications with the others mostly sending each other notifications like "so-and-so just voted". Molobo's different but there's nothing wrong there either Anyway - I posted all the email headers at the case page, after removing the personal info. Here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern_European_mailing_list/Proposed_decision#Relevant_portions_of_the_oversighted_edit]. So everyone can see the reasons for why Coren apparently's proposing 1 year blocks. Since all that is now in the open I'm still waiting for MBizans to step up and back up his slander - or admit that his bluff was called or at very least back off and admit to the fact that he misunderstood a language he doesn't speak and just jumped to conclusions. Also Guesswork, you'll forgive me if from now on I'll ignore your trolling. There's enough of that at the ArbCom page which despite some very honest and good work by the clerks is pretty much an all-you-can-eat buffet for the trolls.
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QUOTE(radek @ Sat 5th December 2009, 8:49pm) My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I've emailed in the past to it. Durova is not "involved" in EEML case. Well now, there you go again. Durova is involved in everything. If it exists on Wikipedia at all, you can bet Durova is in it up to her neck. She couldn't keep away if she wanted to. QUOTE Also Guesswork, you'll forgive me if from now on I'll ignore your trolling. There's enough of that at the ArbCom page which despite some very honest and good work by the clerks is pretty much an all-you-can-eat buffet for the trolls. Please, we don't like to see the "t-word" here. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) Mr. Orange has a perfectly valid reason to believe that Eastern European WP'ers are cooperating, collaborating, and/or "colluding" if you prefer the pejorative term, on various articles - actually, I don't believe that's in dispute, is it? But once everyone accepts that there's nothing unethical about their doing this, the only question seems to be whether or not his opposition is based on principle, or rather just a kind of "sour grapes" that he can't get enough of a team together on his side to sufficiently counteract the effect. The real test in this case, IMO, is whether or not these "EEML" folks allow the "Schieder commission" article to include material that might suggest that the number of victims was, indeed, higher than the commission's estimate. Assuming that such material is "properly sourced," yada yada yada. Do you disagree?
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 5th December 2009, 9:05pm) QUOTE(radek @ Sat 5th December 2009, 8:49pm) My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I've emailed in the past to it. Durova is not "involved" in EEML case. Well now, there you go again. Durova is involved in everything. If it exists on Wikipedia at all, you can bet Durova is in it up to her neck. She couldn't keep away if she wanted to. QUOTE Also Guesswork, you'll forgive me if from now on I'll ignore your trolling. There's enough of that at the ArbCom page which despite some very honest and good work by the clerks is pretty much an all-you-can-eat buffet for the trolls. Please, we don't like to see the "t-word" here. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) Mr. Orange has a perfectly valid reason to believe that Eastern European WP'ers are cooperating, collaborating, and/or "colluding" if you prefer the pejorative term, on various articles - actually, I don't believe that's in dispute, is it? But once everyone accepts that there's nothing unethical about their doing this, the only question seems to be whether or not his opposition is based on principle, or rather just a kind of "sour grapes" that he can't get enough of a team together on his side to sufficiently counteract the effect. The real test in this case, IMO, is whether or not these "EEML" folks allow the "Schieder commission" article to include material that might suggest that the number of victims was, indeed, higher than the commission's estimate. Assuming that such material is "properly sourced," yada yada yada. Do you disagree? Alright wrt to Guesswork. Any properly sourced material's fine in the article. Hiding the Nazi past of the commission members as some editors have been trying to do for quite some time (going as far as calling them "respected historians") is not. Come on, you know the POV pushers are more sophisticated these days - it's not some 15 year old kid putting obvious junk into the article. The tactics are more developed. BTW, the commission's numbers are basically an upper bound. As far as I'm aware there's no higher ones out there. Thanks to whoever did the grammar and punctuation fixes. QUOTE(MBisanz @ Sat 5th December 2009, 9:38pm)
Well I was going to be nice and hope this thread would die so you would only have to fight the issue out on WP where there is a greater assumption of good faith required, but, here are the subject lines I took to indicate as targeting against the arbs and arb candidates per your post #182 permission:
Umm, making hit and run accusations is not "being nice". Can you please explain how any of these lines or emails "target" arbs or anybody else for that matter? Like this one for example: [Fwd: [WPM] Manning vanishing?]‎ - Original Message Subject: [WPM] Manning vanishing? ...???????????? Or this one: [The Committee can be nice‎ - [name removed] wrote: > NYBrada. Wyslalem mejla do kazdego z supporta poza FloNight. Ciekawe, czy …] (Apparently now you can speak Polish again) This doesn't just take bad faith; it takes an inability to read combined with outright malice
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QUOTE(radek @ Sun 6th December 2009, 6:47am) QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 5th December 2009, 9:05pm) QUOTE(radek @ Sat 5th December 2009, 8:49pm) My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I've emailed in the past to it. Durova is not "involved" in EEML case. Well now, there you go again. Durova is involved in everything. If it exists on Wikipedia at all, you can bet Durova is in it up to her neck. She couldn't keep away if she wanted to. QUOTE Also Guesswork, you'll forgive me if from now on I'll ignore your trolling. There's enough of that at the ArbCom page which despite some very honest and good work by the clerks is pretty much an all-you-can-eat buffet for the trolls. Please, we don't like to see the "t-word" here. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) Mr. Orange has a perfectly valid reason to believe that Eastern European WP'ers are cooperating, collaborating, and/or "colluding" if you prefer the pejorative term, on various articles - actually, I don't believe that's in dispute, is it? But once everyone accepts that there's nothing unethical about their doing this, the only question seems to be whether or not his opposition is based on principle, or rather just a kind of "sour grapes" that he can't get enough of a team together on his side to sufficiently counteract the effect. The real test in this case, IMO, is whether or not these "EEML" folks allow the "Schieder commission" article to include material that might suggest that the number of victims was, indeed, higher than the commission's estimate. Assuming that such material is "properly sourced," yada yada yada. Do you disagree? Alright wrt to Guesswork. Any properly sourced material's fine in the article. Hiding the Nazi past of the commission members as some editors have been trying to do for quite some time (going as far as calling them "respected historians") is not. Come on, you know the POV pushers are more sophisticated these days - it's not some 15 year old kid putting obvious junk into the article. The tactics are more developed. BTW, the commission's numbers are basically an upper bound. As far as I'm aware there's no higher ones out there. Thanks to whoever did the grammar and punctuation fixes. QUOTE(MBisanz @ Sat 5th December 2009, 9:38pm)
Well I was going to be nice and hope this thread would die so you would only have to fight the issue out on WP where there is a greater assumption of good faith required, but, here are the subject lines I took to indicate as targeting against the arbs and arb candidates per your post #182 permission:
Umm, making hit and run accusations is not "being nice". Can you please explain how any of these lines or emails "target" arbs or anybody else for that matter? Like this one for example: [Fwd: [WPM] Manning vanishing?]‎ - Original Message Subject: [WPM] Manning vanishing? ...???????????? Or this one: [The Committee can be nice‎ - [name removed] wrote: > NYBrada. Wyslalem mejla do kazdego z supporta poza FloNight. Ciekawe, czy …] (Apparently now you can speak Polish again) This doesn't just take bad faith; it takes an inability to read combined with outright malice Google translate works clearly enough for some situations.
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QUOTE Google translate works clearly enough for some situations.
Alllllllrrrriiiighhhhht lemme ask this one more time since this is like the 6th time you're avoiding the question and instead make sleazy insinuations: "Can you please explain how any of these lines or emails "target" arbs or anybody else for that matter?" And you don't need Google translate here - I 'm perfectly happy to do it for you. If you don't trust me then post your Google translations right here which you think are so problematic. (And before you were claiming the English ones were enough - now apparently it's back to the Polish ones, which you don't understand but used Google translate for. Make up your mind) Honestly, are you capable of giving an honest, direct answer here? And btw, I hate invoking "Wikilawyering" as an argument but statements like this are picture-perfect example for why that guideline was written in the first place - if Russavia could have posted the article himself, why did Alex have to do it for him?
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QUOTE(radek @ Sun 6th December 2009, 7:55am) QUOTE Google translate works clearly enough for some situations.
Alllllllrrrriiiighhhhht lemme ask this one more time since this is like the 6th time you're avoiding the question and instead make sleazy insinuations: "Can you please explain how any of these lines or emails "target" arbs or anybody else for that matter?" The various discussion topics such as "these 3 people should decide" and "question about possible CoI and recusal' indicate the participants are trying to figure out how to take action onwiki about the case without it being clear onwiki who caused the action to occur. Topics such as "Coren running again for the arbitrator seat" and "Lessons from the WikiCup saga" indicate discussion on future plans related to the Abrcom contemporaneous to criticisms from the related arbs to the participants onwiki. QUOTE(radek @ Sun 6th December 2009, 7:55am) Honestly, are you capable of giving an honest, direct answer here?
(IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) I already said WR did not have WP's requirement of AGF.
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QUOTE The various discussion topics such as "these 3 people should decide" and "question about possible CoI and recusal' indicate the participants are trying to figure out how to take action onwiki about the case without it being clear onwiki who caused the action to occur. Topics such as "Coren running again for the arbitrator seat" and "Lessons from the WikiCup saga" indicate discussion on future plans related to the Abrcom contemporaneous to criticisms from the related arbs to the participants onwiki.
See what I posted at the arb com Evidence page. "these 3 people should decide" was somebody saying that the 3 people for whom topic bans were proposed should decide if they care enough to continue to argue against these bans or give up and just leave Wikipedia. "question about possible CoI and recusal" was Piotrus asking me "am I crazy to think there's CoI here"? "Coren running again..." is just a link to Coren's candidate statement. "Lessons from WikiCup saga" is somebody expressing amazement at FloNight's response to Piotrus' inquiry about possible CoI (which was an inquiry - not a demand or anything of the sort as she tried to pretend in her statement) QUOTE (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) I already said WR did not have WP's requirement of AGF. I'm not asking for AGF, I am asking for an honest answer. It's a different thing. But yes, it takes a tremendous amount of bad faith - and some other things - to think that any of this is in any way problematic.
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Radek, give it a rest. I already told you that it is pointless to prove to some editors that we are not evil, since everything we say is faked/false/twisted/etc., because we are an evil cabal, and arguments to the contrary are faked/false/twisted/etc. because we are an evil cabal (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) As MBisanz himself admits, whatever you say will be seen by some via ABF lens. If they believe we were carrying out dastardly plots, this belief will not be shaken by anything you say; if you had a letter of support signed by Jimbo, the assumption would be it is faked or Jimbo was blackmailed into writing it and so on. The very fact that we discussed ArbCom, after ABF is applied, means that we were discussing how to disrupt/sabotage them - and that's enough. What I don't understand is why we are not yet accused by some of plotting assassinations, blackmail and so on on ArbCom members - the evidence, after all, is good enough for that as well (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) "these 3 people should decide" may be about division of the world after we take it over and divide it between three cabal leaders; "Coren running again..." may be about how we are mind-controlling Coren; "Lessons from WikiCup saga" may be about infiltrating WikiCup scoring system - and you cannot prove otherwise. PS. Regarding Schieder commission article, as Radek said, everybody is welcome to edit it and improve it. Unfortunately, the only "dissenting" edits so far include tagging the article in an attempt to make it ineligible for DYKing (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) Not that I am surprised; anybody who takes a little time to research who is who in this case will notice that content creators are heavily concentrated on one side only... This post has been edited by Deputy Cabal Ringleader:
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QUOTE(radek @ Sun 6th December 2009, 2:49am) Anyway - I posted all the email headers at the case page, after removing the personal info. Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...versighted_edit. No, you didn't. You have tampered with them and added some clever commentary to it. A note to those few that have seen the now deleted diff link where Radeksz leaked the subjects of his most recent emails and his GTalk chat contact list, or the stored version of the diff link on Dramatica. Take a look at the three biggest email threads (the number in brackets) and see how Radeksz presented them on-wiki. You will discover that Radeksz managed to conceal more than a hundred emails merely by deleting the numbers of emails of a few threads. For example, the biggest email thread contains 46 messages. Radeksz deletes the number and summarizes: "Me asking whether anyone has any clue what the spat between Shell Kinney and Jechomann was about. Piotrus says “no idea†" It takes 46 messages for asking a simple question and for getting only two words as a response? Another, the whole Loosmark reply thread from 28 Nov with as many as 24 emails, vanished completely. Nice try! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) This post has been edited by Guesswork Orange:
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QUOTE(Guesswork Orange @ Sun 6th December 2009, 9:34am) QUOTE(radek @ Sun 6th December 2009, 2:49am) Anyway - I posted all the email headers at the case page, after removing the personal info. Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...versighted_edit. For example, the biggest email thread contains 46 messages. Radeksz deletes the number and summarizes: "Me asking whether anyone has any clue what the spat between Shell Kinney and Jechomann was about. Piotrus says “no idea†" It takes 46 messages for asking a simple question and for getting only two words as a response? Nice try! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) Yes, the thread also contains somebody linking to this article and some people trying to convince me not to give up on Wikipedia.
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[quote name='Digwuren%20the%20Grey' post='209382'... The Joy Why is the ArbCom reluctant to indefinitely ban ev... EricBarbour Coren started posting his "remedies" bac... Sarcasticidealist Coren started posting his "remedies" bac... Abd [quote name='EricBarbour' post='199536' date='Wed ... Abd Coren's agenda. , two proposed remedies which ... A Horse With No Name Is this case still dragging on? Someone let me kn... Abd Coren continued
The problem is that this happens o... A Horse With No Name
In this case, I think it's just one administ... Milton Roe
And for that matter, let's make an effort to ... YellowMonkey
The only way we can enact serious change on WP ... Abd In this case, I think it's just one administra... Milton Roe
We also have to acknowledge an ugly fact that Pio... A Horse With No Name :hmmm: That is just shocking if true. We've n... Abd Very nice, perhaps, and I have evidence for that, ... radek [quote name='A Horse With No Name' date=... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Radek, learn how to quote properly :) Hint: you ne... A Horse With No Name
While I'm here I also wanted to respond to th... A Horse With No Name For those who got distracted by Mr. Miller and his... A Horse With No Name Overlooked in recent days is another BLP AfD, this... A Horse With No Name Giving credit where it is due: thanks to Backward ... The Joy
Giving credit where it is due: thanks to Backward... A Horse With No Name
Not so fast, Horsey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi... The Joy
[quote name='The Joy' post='202670' date='Mon 2nd... Cedric
[quote name='The Joy' post='202670' date='Mon 2nd... A Horse With No Name Meanwhile, in Oceania: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/i... Abd I I like how Manning rewrites history: "For t... Guesswork Orange I think Piotrus resigned because he wasn't usi... radek All you've done there is just list everytime t... Digwuren the Grey
Off-wiki communication is what could dethrone the... Digwuren the Grey
Meanwhile, in Oceania: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/... thekohser
It may not be *the* standard procedure, but it su... Digwuren the Grey
You have to love a community/system/tribunal that... MBisanz According to new, now oversighted evidence that I ... radek
According to new, now oversighted evidence that I... MBisanz
According to new, now oversighted evidence that ... radek
[quote name='radek' post='208123' date='Fri 4th D... radek
[quote name='radek' post='208123' date='Fri 4th ... MBisanz
[quote name='radek' post='208152' date='Thu 3rd D... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
I would be interested in a translation of: ArbCom... Somey Behold the words of evil and hate, and tremble:
... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
[quote name='Deputy Cabal Ringleader' post='20820... radek
[quote name='Deputy Cabal Ringleader' post='2082... radek And here is my "official" statement I se... MBisanz
And here is my "official" statement I s... radek
I would be interested in a translation of: ArbCom... MBisanz
""I would be interested in a translat... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
I wasn't asking you to translate to confirm w... TungstenCarbide EDIT: I just found what made Radek so angry. I am ... carbuncle Just so it's not all "take", here... Abd Just so it's not all "take", here... Milton Roe
(If we don't make decisions by vote, please e... Abd [quote name='Abd' post='208288' date='Fri 4th Dece... Somey It's both. I'm still not as negative as yo... Kelly Martin The "system," such as it is, is brillian... Random832
[quote name='Somey' post='208443' date='Sat 5th D... Kelly Martin [quote name='Somey' post='208443' date='Sat 5th De... radek
[quote name='Random832' post='208545' date='Sat 5... radek
I wasn't asking you to translate to confirm w... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
There ain't crap in there and you know it.
... RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
[quote name='radek' post='208123' date='Fri 4th ... everyking I find the ArbCom's own mailing list to be a m... Sarcasticidealist Welcome to WR, Piotrus. Guesswork Orange Even so this thread is strategically spammed by th... A Horse With No Name
I recognized my mistakes and now we are only beat... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Interesting... Somey [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wik... radek
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi... Milton Roe
Yes and this was a "voting bloc" that r... Mathsci Does Abd's ban stop in time for him to vote? V... Abd Does Abd's ban stop in time for him to vote? V... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='208374' date='Fri 4th... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
Abd has apparently joined the EEML.
As I believ... Abd [quote name='Mathsci' post='208579' date='Sun 6th ... wjhonson Can people whose names start with A please stop po... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
I have no problem with the existence of a mailing... Guesswork Orange
I have no problem with the existence of a mailin... radek
[quote name='Deputy Cabal Ringleader' post='20871... Abd While we're on the subject, I think the one ba... Abd Can people whose names start with A please stop po... Guesswork Orange
We are not a closed group, applications are welco... wjhonson But Halibutt is not gone.
See this link
Or did y... radek
It's a matter of perspective. Take a look at... radek
But Halibutt is not gone.
See this link
Or did ... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
But Halibutt is not gone.
[url=http://en.wikiped... Somey
The new information leak (Radek wanted to copy... Deputy Cabal Ringleader
[quote name='Guesswork Orange' post='208433' date... Guesswork Orange
[quote name='Somey' post='208438' date='Sat 5th D... radek
[quote name='Somey' post='208438' date='Sat 5th ... Deputy Cabal Ringleader Radek, why are you bothering with a SPA who doesn... Wiki Witch of the West
My GTalk sidebar automatically adds people that I... Abd For example, the biggest email thread contains 46 ... MBisanz
[quote name='Guesswork Orange' post='208433' date... JohnA Somey:
I'll struggle to find a better synop... Sarcasticidealist I confess that, based solely on what's been pr...
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