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I felt a sincere need to highlight this post by Everyking (T-C-L-K-R-D)
here on the Review:
I can't see the basis for blocking someone for real world activity. Obviously he's being punished in the real world, and he's using a legal means as a conduit to editing Wikipedia. If people are to be blocked for something like "possessing child porn", what about other crimes? Credit card fraud? Terrorism? Do they both warrant Wikipedia sanctions, or neither? The context was a discussion of an apparent convicted pedophile editing Wikipedia, and Everyking seems to have taken another step or five away from any social norms or objective reality in his position that someone -- someone convicted of sourcing just about the only kind of pornography from the Internet that is still illegal -- should in no way be hindered from editing Wikipedia. Call someone an "asshole" -- lifetime ban. Commit a felony involving child porn -- welcome! What a strange world you inhabit. |
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Obsessive trolling idiot [per JzG] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 2,213 Joined: From: Boca Raton, FL, USA Member No.: 962 ![]() |
So, basically, what people here are saying is not that Everyking is a pedophile, or even that he supports pedophile activity in any way; merely the "meta-issue" that, in terms of Wikipedia internal policy, he opposes banning all pedophiles from editing. This is a position on Wikipedia policy, not on pedophilia per se, but apparently it's a thoughtcrime for which he should be desysopped. How many meta-levels do you people want to carry this?
LEVEL 0: Somebody who is a pedophile LEVEL 1: Somebody who doesn't want to ban all pedophiles from Wikipedia LEVEL 2: Somebody who doesn't want to ban everybody who doesn't want to ban all pedophiles from Wikipedia LEVEL 3: Somebody who doesn't want to ban everybody who doesn't want to ban everybody who doesn't want to ban all pedophiles from Wikipedia ...and so on You can have meta-thoughtcrimes to the infinite degree! Something rather similar happened during the BADSITES Wars, when the SlimVirgin / ElinorD crowd not only wanted to ban linking to evil harassment sites like Wikipedia Review, they wanted to take action against people who linked to them, and people who condoned people who linked to them, and people who condoned people who condoned linking to them, and so on. |
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So, basically, what people here are saying is not that Everyking is a pedophile, or even that he supports pedophile activity in any way; merely the "meta-issue" that, in terms of Wikipedia internal policy, he opposes banning all pedophiles from editing. This is a position on Wikipedia policy, not on pedophilia per se, but apparently it's a thoughtcrime for which he should be desysopped. How many meta-levels do you people want to carry this? LEVEL 0: Somebody who is a pedophile LEVEL 1: Somebody who doesn't want to ban all pedophiles from Wikipedia LEVEL 2: Somebody who doesn't want to ban everybody who doesn't want to ban all pedophiles from Wikipedia LEVEL 3: Somebody who doesn't want to ban everybody who doesn't want to ban everybody who doesn't want to ban all pedophiles from Wikipedia ...and so on You can have meta-thoughtcrimes to the infinite degree! Something rather similar happened during the BADSITES Wars, when the SlimVirgin / ElinorD crowd not only wanted to ban linking to evil harassment sites like Wikipedia Review, they wanted to take action against people who linked to them, and people who condoned people who linked to them, and people who condoned people who condoned linking to them, and so on. I'm only on level 1? I feel dirty. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yak.gif) The reality is that my viewpoint is functionally the same as the opposing viewpoint: if someone acts like a pedophile, they should be banned. The difference arises only when we're discussing hypothetical cases. I try to set my own feelings to the side and believe in the importance of giving everybody a fair shake, so the idea of banning someone who hasn't been doing anything wrong fills me with doubt. |
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So, basically, what people here are saying is not that Everyking is a pedophile, or even that he supports pedophile activity in any way; merely the "meta-issue" that, in terms of Wikipedia internal policy, he opposes banning all pedophiles from editing. We're trying to say something more subtle: Everyking is not merely a Wiki-loving asshole. He's a meta-asshole. It's quite an achievement. Wikipedia's "internal policy" is fucked up. And EK is a damned gullible fool to support it. (Or perhaps he's doing it knowing full-well how disgusting his position is, it's difficult to tell. Meta-disgusting.) |
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