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> Don Murphy brings the Apocalypse!
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After User:Erik added a picture to Don Murphy, the following note appeared on his talk page:
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Cropping a photo does not make it a derivative work. You do not have the copyright to that photo you inserted. You can avoid personal litigation by removing it within 48 hours. The Foundation cannot avoid it. Thank you. SharkJumper 15:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Enjoy WP while you still can!

Never mind - Apocalypse cancelled.
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I appreciate Murphy's brief timeline, which he posted today on his forum thread. The sequence in these lines is what I needed for now:

23/Apr 18:51 Murphy makes first post "find Erik"
23/Apr 19:30 user:Erik puts on his WP user page that "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign."
23/Apr 20:19 GarethFT posts link to CV on Kraft's site (since removed by Kraft)
23/Apr 20:52 JesterJJZ posts Kraft address and phone
24/Apr 10:41 user:Erik says on ANI that "It is not funny to be outed"
24/Apr 12:27 user:Erik removes the "I'm from Chicago" saying "Removed incriminating evidence"

Murphy says he still believes that the two Eriks are the same person. I think they are two people, and User:Erik tried to use the 33-year-old Erik Kraft as a shield for a while, in order to throw off Murphy and friends. This is an issue that will hopefully be resolved soon. If Erik Kraft wants to help resolve it, and he is a separate person, he will at some point be willing to swear under oath that he made certain posts, and did not make other posts. We know a lot about Erik Kraft, age 33. We have his picture and we know his history. He may be out of the country at the moment, but that's a small matter in the long run, because someone named Erik Kraft, age 33, is a known quantity. I think he is innocent and was used by User:Erik to obscure User:Erik's real-life identity. I hope Erik Kraft is willing to help us prove it.

But whether you accept my theory that User:Erik played games and pointed the finger at Erik Kraft, or whether you accept Murphy's theory that they are both the same, the consequence of either theory is that each reflects very poorly on that 24-year-old Wikipedia editor, User:Erik.

Murphy is in a position to get checkuser data from the Foundation on User:Erik. That would be worthwhile and he should pursue it. Even if Murphy doesn't want to sue anyone, this checkuser data will be useful for Wikipedia itself. If User:Erik is even half as devious as it now appears, regardless of whether there are two Eriks or not, then Arbcom won't want him to create a new username and continue on Wikipedia. Because if Arbcom lets him to this, then Murphy can sue the Foundation. The checkuser request should go to Mike Godwin and should be presented by Murphy's lawyer, and it should be formal and well-constructed.

At a minimum, there is very strong evidence of trickery by User:Erik that involved an innocent party, Erik Kraft. At a maximum, we may even be looking at attempted identity theft.

If User:Erik was merely clumsy, instead of devious, then by now I would have expected a lengthy explanation and apology for his clumsiness, posted somewhere for all to see. No, I think he had Murphy in his sites when he posted that picture, and had a pretty good idea that Murphy would try to find him. He voted to "keep" the Murphy bio years ago, and he's been consistent in his position that Murphy is notable; User:Erik is a committed inclusionist. If User:Erik was merely clumsy, by now he'd say so, and admit that he was wrong to bait Murphy. And he would profusely apologize to Erik Kraft, thereby clearing up the matter of whether there are two Eriks.

How many of you expect that User:Erik will do any of this?
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carbuncle   Don Murphy brings the Apocalypse!  
Tarc   Man, I just happened to comment on this over there...  
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carbuncle   Apocalypse possibly back on if Don Murphy doesn...  
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carbuncle   Did everyone forget that a NLT block is ended as ...  
Somey   And his monkey, too. Bastards! That isn't ...  
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Somey   I was, and everyone was pissed off when after wait...  
Ottava   I was, and everyone was pissed off when after wai...  
Somey   At the DC Meetup, I was the only one to be watchin...  
Ottava   [quote name='Ottava' post='232809' date='Fri 23rd...  
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Somey   I think the monkey looks a like a typical Wikpedio...  
Milton Roe   I think the monkey looks a like a typical Wikpedi...  
EricBarbour   Gad. What a nerd.... No wonder he spends so much ...  
dtobias   Murphy is just being a smelly lump of feces as usu...  
GlassBeadGame   Murphy is just being a smelly lump of feces as us...  
ColScott   Murphy is just being a smelly lump of feces as u...  
Peter Damian   Some messages from 'Erik Kraft' on User:Er...  
Theanima   It's sad that Don Murphy got the name complete...  
Peter Damian   It's sad that Don Murphy got the name complet...  
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BelovedFox   It's sad that Don Murphy got the name comple...  
ColScott   [quote name='ColScott' post='232900' date='Sat 24...  
Somey   I know I've said this before, but it bears rep...  
Theanima   I know I've said this before, but it bears re...  
Somey   It's not like he is a minor backstage guy - he...  
BelovedFox   [quote name='Theanima' post='232879' date='Sat 24...  
Milton Roe   Encyclopedias do not need to just be about ...  
Doc glasgow   [quote name='Theanima' post='232879' date='Sat 24...  
Tarc   Encyclopedias do not need to just be about "h...  
LessHorrid vanU   The person who needs a WP article is the photograp...  
Daniel Brandt   Murphy got the wrong Erik. I don't have the do...  
Peter Damian   Murphy got the wrong Erik. I don't have the d...  
BelovedFox   Murphy got the wrong Erik. I don't have the d...  
Peter Damian   Today he would be 24 years old. Moreover, that sa...  
Daniel Brandt   No they are the same age (33). User:Erik was lyi...  
ColScott   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='232899' date='Sa...  
BelovedFox   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='232899' date='S...  
ColScott   [quote name='ColScott' post='232906' date='Sat 24...  
Ottava   You don't "have" to say anything, l...  
ColScott   You don't "have" to say anything, ...  
carbuncle   but you didn't get that from working for free...  
ColScott   but you didn't get that from working for fre...  
Ottava   [quote name='carbuncle' post='232913' date='Sat 2...  
Somey   You seem to hate everyone. Just curious, but you d...  
Milton Roe   Anyway, get off this thread or I'll have to s...  
EricBarbour   [quote name='carbuncle' post='232913' date='Sat 24...  
BelovedFox   [quote name='ColScott' post='232914' date='Sun 25...  
victim of censorship   [quote name='ColScott' post='232914' date='Sun 25...  
carbuncle   [quote name='carbuncle' post='232913' date='Sat 2...  
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   When are you taking some of your hard-earned Trans...  
carbuncle   When are you taking some of your hard-earned Tran...  
ColScott   [quote name='Cock-up-over-conspira...  
carbuncle   I find it interesting that 5 years ago, when expo...  
BelovedFox   [quote name='carbuncle' post='232973' date='Sun 2...  
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   I'd have to agree that you were right- five ye...  
A Horse With No Name   Love you Brandt and your work. I aspire to be y...  
anthony   Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user p...  
Peter Damian   Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user ...  
anthony   The really odd thing, as others have commented, i...  
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anthony   [quote name='anthony' post='233001' date='Sun 25t...  
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anthony   [quote name='anthony' post='233007' date='Sun 25t...  
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anthony   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='233008' date='S...  
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anthony   To write in bold you type something, highlight i...  
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anthony   There is another possibility: user:Erik, the IP a...  
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='233016' date='Su...  
anthony   I am saying that it is possible (and not saying I...  
Peter Damian   [nvm]  
anthony   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='233021' date='S...  
Peter Damian   [never argue with Anthony]  
anthony   [nvm] Too late. I can say it is possible that...  
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anthony   to clarify THIS I called his number in Chicago bu...  
ColScott   [quote name='Somey' post='233031' date='Sun 25th ...  
anthony   Same number on the PDF version of the resume? I...  
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Milton Roe   It's the old Wikipediot game of claiming that...  
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Daniel Brandt   So, what are we saying here? That User:Erik decid...  
Theanima   Now if he is 24 years old and lives in his mother...  
Peter Damian   Now if he is 24 years old and lives in his mothe...  
Theanima   [quote name='Theanima' post='232961' date='Sun 25...  
Peter Damian   nvm  
Somey   Personally, I don't put too much stock into ti...  
Moulton   I must be getting really jaded, too, because I...  
Peter Damian   Some more puzzles. The Erik Kraft IP starts editi...  
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Peter Damian   These [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti...  
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ColScott   to clarify THIS I called his number in Chicago b...  
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anthony   One of us might point out that if you do a [url=h...  
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carbuncle   The site reveals an obsessive interest in the fil...  
Peter Damian   This thread finally got annoying enough for me to...  
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Lar   Well here is the thing- all you cultists screamed...  
carbuncle   Well here is the thing- all you cultists screamed...  
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Somey   Just trying to catch up here... :wacko: The site...  
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ColScott   Fine don't believe me. And to think, all thi...  
Theanima   Fine don't believe me. And to think, all th...  
Milton Roe   With regards to your comments, I was unaware Wiki...  
Theanima   With regards to your comments, I was unaware Wik...  
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Zoloft   Fine don't believe me. And to think, all thi...  
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thekohser   Is anyone who edits Wikipedia and has an account...  
ColScott   [quote name='ColScott' post='233151' date='Mon 26...  
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Somey   So do it! It's hard to argue with this, bu...  
BelovedFox   So do it! It's hard to argue with this, b...  
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Ottava   So what you're saying is that Murphy needs t...  
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A Horse With No Name   Or, the more likely explanation, is that he is af...  
Peter Damian   one should just follow human nature why would Use...  
carbuncle   And why did 'Erik kraft' not press 'u...  
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Theanima   That's how I see it. At no point does he say...  
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anthony   The best hypothesis is that they are the same per...  
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HRIP7   A lawsuit against an individual wikipedian, or an...  
Somey   Now, that's just insulting. Livingston's ...  
GlassBeadGame   Now, that's just insulting. Livingston's...  
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Doc glasgow   I am quite prepared to take this bio to AFD righ...  
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ColScott   Today I spoke with Erik Kraft for about 30 minute...  
Daniel Brandt   I want the bio deleted permanently. Tell me what...  
CharlotteWebb   Ask specifically for all IP addresses for User:Eri...  
Somey   But if I love your work as much as I profess, I sh...  
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BelovedFox   He said he'd be willing to talk to the press...  
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BelovedFox   [quote name='BelovedFox' post='233210' date='Mon ...  
tarantino   And by the way...where is Tarantino? We could ce...  
CharlotteWebb   I'm watching from the sidelines :) Nobody...  
Daniel Brandt   Nobody's mentioned that [url=http://en.wikipe...  
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Somey   I realize it doesn't prove anything as a deaf ...  
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CharlotteWebb   Since Erik appears to be a movie fanboy, I can un...  
Ottava   I thought usage of the word "deaf" to r...  
Ottava   He probably got it from a fan-review site (he see...  
Milton Roe   I was born deaf (middle ear problems and various ...  
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Honestly though, what's with all the mud-lovi...  
Cirocco   Boredom and drifting in and out of states of consc...  
carbuncle   Boredom and drifting in and out of states of cons...  
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EricBarbour   Quite a choice: Continue to harangue the Erik Kraf...  
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Daniel Brandt   4. Meanwhile, Don has posted his "Find Erik...  
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anthony   [quote name='Thule Ravenscroft' post='233255' dat...  
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Moulton   Notwithstanding the competing theories about ident...  
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ColScott   I note that since it became really obvious that D...  
carbuncle   I note that since it became really obvious that ...  
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