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After User:Erik added a picture to Don Murphy, the following note appeared on his talk page: QUOTE Don Murphy Photo Dear Erik
Cropping a photo does not make it a derivative work. You do not have the copyright to that photo you inserted. You can avoid personal litigation by removing it within 48 hours. The Foundation cannot avoid it. Thank you. SharkJumper 15:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC) Enjoy WP while you still can! Never mind - Apocalypse cancelled.
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Sat 24th April 2010, 11:04pm) Today he would be 24 years old. Moreover, that same page says that he was born in Chicago, but there isn't any evidence I've seen that he lives in Chicago.
When he made this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=357881824was when I suspect he left Illinois. I.e. now a graduate. QUOTE The User:Erik that Murphy wants is nine years younger than Erik A. Kraft in Chicago.
No they are the same age (33). User:Erik was lying about his age, obviously. QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Sat 24th April 2010, 11:21pm) Erik presumably learned that Murphy was fishing for him on his forum, as he made an open request to "find Erik" before anyone turned up anything.
I don't see any reason to doubt Erik on his personal details (although now he well wishes he didn't post them.)
That i agree is plausible. How do you explain Erik Kraft's rapid understanding of Wikipedia editing protocol? How do you explain he found User:Erik's page without ColScott saying who he was? [edit] Also note that user:Erik says he HAS been outed. (Not that he is afraid of being outed). This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 24th April 2010, 4:25pm) No they are the same age (33). User:Erik was lying about his age, obviously.
Two different people, or User:Erik was lying in 2006 about his age. The age 33 for Erik A. Kraft is solid; this comes from various public records. His exact birthday seems to be 1977-03-23. On his résumé he says "B.A., English, and B.A., Psychology, College of Letters and Science University of Wisconsin-Madison, December 1999." (You can still see the cache copy of it by searching for "erik kraft"+resume in Google.) In 1999 User:Erik was too young to graduate; he would have been almost 14. Also, on that résumé Erik A. Kraft says that he did grad work at U.Illinois: "M.L.I.S., Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, May 2005." There is no reason to doubt this. Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user page: "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." That's not quite the same thing, but it's close enough to raise eyebrows. It might even be true, although that would be quite a coincidence. Today User:Erik deleted it and added this edit summary: "Removed incriminating information to avoid harassment." I suspect that User:Erik is closely following the Murphy forum, and cleverly added that bit yesterday as a "false flag" operation. It looks like the Murphy forum link to the résumé appeared just hours before User:Erik added that line. Then today he deleted it, with an eyebrow-raising edit summary, perhaps because he realized that he may be liable if it is proven that this information is false. The timing of User:Erik's posting and removal, and his edit summary, are potentially a problem for him. Originally he posted a photo that Murphy doesn't want posted, while hiding behind a screen name (that's bad enough). Now he might be playing games with Murphy (not a good idea). It could make him liable if he is posting false information that facilitates the harassment of Erik A. Kraft, an innocent party, in order to further obscure his own identity. Anyway, this is all speculation, but I think my scenario is much more likely than the scenario that User:Erik lied in 2006 on his user page about his age. In my scenario he had a motive for what he's done since yesterday, but I don't see any motive for lying about his age in 2006. I hope Murphy finds User:Erik, whoever he is. By the way, I think there's enough questionable shenanigans going on here to get User:Erik thoroughly checkusered for all of his edits that relate at all to Murphy and/or Transformers, from as far back as the logs permit. Arbcom, where are thee?
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QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 3:16pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Sat 24th April 2010, 11:18pm) Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user page: "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." That's not quite the same thing, but it's close enough to raise eyebrows. It might even be true, although that would be quite a coincidence.
What's the coincidence, that there were two people named Erik who went to the University of Illinois in 2005? The coincidences are in the odd timeline. 23/Apr 18:51 Murphy makes first post 'find Erik' 23/Apr 19:30 user:Erik puts on his WP use page that he is "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign. " 23/Apr 20:19 GarethFT posts link to CV on Kraft's site (since removed by Kraft) 23/Apr 20:52 JesterJJZ posts Kraft address and phone 24/Apr 10:41 user:Erik says on ANI that he 'It is not funny to be outed. 24/Apr 12:27 user:Erik removes the 'I'm from Chicago' saying 'Removed incriminating evidence' 24/Apr 15:30 Erik Kraft gets called by Murphy - speaks for 30 minutes. The call was to a London number (according to Murphy I think). 24/Apr 16:01 Erik Kraft (London IP) makes series of posts on Wikipedia - Erik page, Arcayne page, ANI. Says he doesn't know who 'Don' is. 24/Apr 16:18 Erik Kraft makes series of posts on Murphy's web site. 24/Apr 16:30 Murphy removes Kraft address and phone 24/Apr 18:50 user:Erik makes series of harassment complaints on ANI and elsewhere 24/Apr 19:03 Erik Kraft creates a Wikipedia account 24/Apr 19:09 user:Erik posts on ANI apologising to Kraft 24/Apr 19:09 Erik Kraft immediately replies 24/Apr 19:09 user:Erik makes another series of posts on ANI, begins archiving 24/Apr 19:26 Erik Kraft posts on ANI asking if Murphy has ever caused physical harm 24/Apr 19:26 user:Erik edits for about hour and a half on Murphy-related pages, archives some more stuff 24/Apr 19:17 Erik Kraft makes series of posts on ANI asking user:Erik what he means by 'outed' - he says he is the one who has been outed. The really odd thing, as others have commented, is why user:Erik puts the "am a graduate of University of Illinois" AFTER the first posting by Murphy. And then removes shortly after. Why? This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 5:00pm) The really odd thing, as others have commented, is why user:Erik puts the "am a graduate of University of Illinois" AFTER the first posting by Murphy. And then removes shortly after. Why?
Seems the most likely (but not only) explanation is that he added (and removed) it because it isn't true. Maybe intentionally to frame someone, or maybe he just picked U of I randomly and unwittingly framed someone. I don't see the the fact there is, indeed, someone named Erik who graduated from the University of Illinois, as a very unlikely coincidence. Nothing else about the two Eriks (one of whom might not even be named Erik) seems to match. The rest of the timeline doesn't strike me as odd in the least. QUOTE(BelovedFox @ Sun 25th April 2010, 5:08pm) It's only odd if you're really looking for a pattern. They could be one and the same, Erik could have tried to deliberately throw Murphy's dogs off the scent, or he might have added it and immediately found out why that was a bad idea. He could have been ignorant of the entire thing for too long, stupid, both, or just unlucky. Point is, we have no real evidence for any of it.
Exactly. The odd part is that "Peter Damian" is looking for patterns. What's the point of looking for patterns if you "don't have any beliefs"? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) This post has been edited by anthony:
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QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:26pm) The rest of the timeline doesn't strike me as odd in the least.
Many oddities. As soon as Kraft is phoned by Murphy, who, according to Kraft, only called himself Don, Kraft goes straight to Wikipedia, and edits user:Erik's page, user:Arcayne's page, and ANI. And then Murphy's website. Yet he claims to have known nothing until Murphy called him half an hour earlier. Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)? And how do we explain the sequence: Kraft creates an account THEN user:Erik posts an apology to Kraft on ANI THEN Kraft responds, all within 5 minutes? I can understand that Kraft may have been watching ANI, and then created an account and posted, in that order. But that is not the order. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:53pm) QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:26pm) The rest of the timeline doesn't strike me as odd in the least.
Many oddities. As soon as Kraft is phoned by Murphy, who, according to Kraft, only called himself Don, Kraft goes straight to Wikipedia, and edits user:Erik's page, user:Arcayne's page, and ANI. And then Murphy's website. Yet he claims to have known nothing until Murphy called him half an hour earlier. I don't see that as odd in the least. But then, I have beliefs. Did Murphy (or any of the others who called Kraft) mention Wikipedia in his phone call? Did any of them mention User:Erik? QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:53pm) Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)?
I have no idea, but the most likely explanation would be that he didn't yet know Murphy's last name. QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:53pm) And how do we explain the sequence: Kraft creates an account THEN user:Erik posts an apology to Kraft on ANI THEN Kraft responds, all within 5 minutes?
I fail to see what's odd about that. This post has been edited by anthony:
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QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 8:05pm) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:53pm) Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)?
I have no idea, but the most likely explanation would be that he didn't yet know Murphy's last name. So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:11pm) QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 8:05pm) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:53pm) Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)?
I have no idea, but the most likely explanation would be that he didn't yet know Murphy's last name. So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine. Glad I could be of assistance.
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QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 8:11pm) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:11pm)
So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine.
Glad I could be of assistance. And later, as I have already said, he posts on Wikipedia apparently not knowing Don's surname. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:16pm) QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 8:11pm) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:11pm)
So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine.
Glad I could be of assistance. And later, as I have already said, he posts on Wikipedia apparently not knowing Don's surname. Right. But I'm going to slightly amend what you said. You said Erik "failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'". I'm saying at this point he most likely failed to notice that there was a Don Murphy involved in that site in the first place. The alternative is a grandiose plan where some guy named Erik led two lives. By day he was a 30-something business owner who designed websites and by night he pretended to be a 20-something grad student who obsessed over movies, and he kept the two lives meticulously separate, so the only thing tying them together until a week ago was the use of the name Erik. (Why, I wonder, would he bother using the same first name for his invented persona, I guess it made things easier.) And then, one day, right after someone threatened him in real life, he decided to give up that meticulously created persona and reveal the place where he graduated. I suppose that's all a possibility. I mean, Poetguy pretty much did it (minus the last sentence). But I see it as a much less likely possibility than that someone visited a website and didn't notice the URL. QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:20pm) Ah so Erik Kraft has edited Wikipedia, which explains how he knew how to write in bold, and begin section heading with ==.
To write in bold you type something, highlight it, and click on the "B". To begin a section heading with == you click the big huge A. This post has been edited by anthony:
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QUOTE(anthony @ Sun 25th April 2010, 8:29pm) To write in bold you type something, highlight it, and click on the "B". To begin a section heading with == you click the big huge A.
And to sign your post you look at the instruction next the save button that says 'sign your post with the four ~~~~" QUOTE But I see it as a much less likely possibility than that someone visited a website and didn't notice the URL.
How did he find the URL? And how, as I said, did he miss the fact that the person he was replying to was called 'Don Murphy, administrator' in very large letters? http://donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?p=1424848There is another possibility: user:Erik, the IP and user:Erik.kraft are all the same person. But none of them is the actual Erik Kraft. Only Murphy would know, since he called Erik in London (not Chicago, where Kraft lives). This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:32pm) There is another possibility: user:Erik, the IP and user:Erik.kraft are all the same person. But none of them is the actual Erik Kraft. Only Murphy would know, since he called Erik in London (not Chicago, where Kraft lives).
1) Why do you say that Kraft lives in Chicago? 1a) I thought you didn't have any beliefs. 2) How would any of them know about the phone call? Are you saying the real Kraft posted on donmurphy.net, but not to Wikipedia? (And you're throwing that out there solely to deal with the fact that the Wikipedia editor claimed to not know Don's last name?) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 25th April 2010, 7:39pm) So the first series of posts he is OK with the bold and the section headings (which I, a veteran Wiki user, have never noticed actually). And then later he notices how to sign his posts. It's possible I agree. But also as a veteran sock user, I am careful not to say dumb things like 'I have just realised you sign your post with four ~~~~'. I wait for someone to admonish me, or wait for the welcome message that tells you this.
I guess that's more evidence that Erik Kraft is not a veteran sock user. Seriously, you should consider the fact that you, a veteran Wiki user, have never noticed the toolbar buttons, as an indication that maybe you aren't so knowledgeable about what it's like to be a brand new user of Wikipedia (or a returning user who edited briefly 3 years ago), circa 2010. This post has been edited by anthony:
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[quote name='Subtle Bee' post='233224' date='Mon... Subtle Bee
1- I know you are but what am I?
2- Hey, I am cle... Peter Damian And why aren't WMF helping user:Erik in any wa... Cock-up-over-conspiracy Come on guys ... it is not really the issue. Picki... Doc glasgow I am quite prepared to take this bio to AFD right ... HRIP7
A lawsuit against an individual wikipedian, or an... Somey
Now, that's just insulting. Livingston's ... GlassBeadGame
Now, that's just insulting. Livingston's... Milton Roe
A lawsuit against an individual wikipedian, or an... NotARepublican55
[quote name='Doc glasgow' post='233199' date='Mon... ColScott
I am quite prepared to take this bio to AFD right... Doc glasgow
I am quite prepared to take this bio to AFD righ... ColScott
[quote name='ColScott' post='233204' date='Mon 26... Theanima I love the idea. The Truth about Wikipedia. I... Daniel Brandt Today I spoke with Erik Kraft for about 30 minutes... ColScott
Today I spoke with Erik Kraft for about 30 minute... Daniel Brandt
I want the bio deleted permanently. Tell me what... CharlotteWebb Ask specifically for all IP addresses for User:Eri... Somey But if I love your work as much as I profess, I sh... A Horse With No Name
He said he'd be willing to talk to the press.... BelovedFox
He said he'd be willing to talk to the press... A Horse With No Name
Honestly though, what's with all the mud-lovi... BelovedFox
[quote name='BelovedFox' post='233210' date='Mon ... tarantino
And by the way...where is Tarantino? We could ce... CharlotteWebb
I'm watching from the sidelines :)
Nobody... Daniel Brandt
Nobody's mentioned that [url=http://en.wikipe... CharlotteWebb He added at least one stub about the spider-man so... Somey I realize it doesn't prove anything as a deaf ... A Horse With No Name
I realize it doesn't prove anything as a deaf... Thule Ravenscroft
Why would the "Erik" character target D... CharlotteWebb
Since Erik appears to be a movie fanboy, I can un... Ottava
I thought usage of the word "deaf" to r... Ottava
He probably got it from a fan-review site (he see... Milton Roe
I was born deaf (middle ear problems and various ... Cock-up-over-conspiracy
Honestly though, what's with all the mud-lovi... Cirocco Boredom and drifting in and out of states of consc... carbuncle
Boredom and drifting in and out of states of cons... Zoloft ColScott, this is an example of why beating up on ... EricBarbour Quite a choice: Continue to harangue the Erik Kraf... Zoloft
[quote name='Zoloft' post='233245' date='Mon 26th... EricBarbour Deaf people don't get a lot of mileage out of ... Thule Ravenscroft
ColScott, this is an example of why beating up on... Daniel Brandt
4. Meanwhile, Don has posted his "Find Erik... Thule Ravenscroft
4. Meanwhile, Don has posted his "Find Erik... anthony
[quote name='Thule Ravenscroft' post='233255' dat... Jon Awbrey
ColScott, this is an example of why beating up o... Thule Ravenscroft
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[center][b][i][color=forest... Peter Damian I'm still puzzled about how Kraft got to the r... anthony
How did [K], 30 minutes after the last call from ... Moulton Notwithstanding the competing theories about ident... Moulton This kerfuffle might have been avoided if the bio ... Zoloft I note that since it became really obvious that Do... ColScott
I note that since it became really obvious that D... carbuncle
I note that since it became really obvious that ... ColScott
[quote name='ColScott' post='233288' date='Tue 27... Theanima
[quote name='ColScott' post='233288' date='Tue 2... carbuncle Ok, are we all agreed that User:Erik and Erik Kraf...
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