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After User:Erik added a picture to Don Murphy, the following note appeared on his talk page:
QUOTE Don Murphy Photo Enjoy WP while you still can!Dear Erik Cropping a photo does not make it a derivative work. You do not have the copyright to that photo you inserted. You can avoid personal litigation by removing it within 48 hours. The Foundation cannot avoid it. Thank you. SharkJumper 15:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC) Never mind - Apocalypse cancelled. |
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Murphy got the wrong Erik. I don't have the dox on the right Erik, but I have evidence that it is not Erik Kraft in Chicago.
Veromi.net and zabasearch.com show that Erik A. Kraft in Chicago is 33 years old. This is the same Erik Kraft suspected by Murphy, as proven by the registration on erikkraft.info, which is his domain on his résumé, the same one that is linked on Murphy's forum. One of the zabasearch.com entries for him shows that he once lived at the same address as the one listed in WHOIS for the erikkraft.info domain. That's Erik Kraft. But the Erik that Murphy really wants once added his age and birthday on a user page in 2006. He said his birthday is December 31 and he is 20 years old. That would mean his birthdate is 1985-12-31, turning 21 at the end of 2006. Today he would be 24 years old. Moreover, that same page says that he was born in Chicago, but there isn't any evidence I've seen that he lives in Chicago. The User:Erik that Murphy wants is nine years younger than Erik A. Kraft in Chicago. |
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Today he would be 24 years old. Moreover, that same page says that he was born in Chicago, but there isn't any evidence I've seen that he lives in Chicago. When he made this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=357881824 was when I suspect he left Illinois. I.e. now a graduate. QUOTE The User:Erik that Murphy wants is nine years younger than Erik A. Kraft in Chicago. No they are the same age (33). User:Erik was lying about his age, obviously. Erik presumably learned that Murphy was fishing for him on his forum, as he made an open request to "find Erik" before anyone turned up anything. I don't see any reason to doubt Erik on his personal details (although now he well wishes he didn't post them.) That i agree is plausible. How do you explain Erik Kraft's rapid understanding of Wikipedia editing protocol? How do you explain he found User:Erik's page without ColScott saying who he was? [edit] Also note that user:Erik says he HAS been outed. (Not that he is afraid of being outed). This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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No they are the same age (33). User:Erik was lying about his age, obviously. Two different people, or User:Erik was lying in 2006 about his age. The age 33 for Erik A. Kraft is solid; this comes from various public records. His exact birthday seems to be 1977-03-23. On his résumé he says "B.A., English, and B.A., Psychology, College of Letters and Science University of Wisconsin-Madison, December 1999." (You can still see the cache copy of it by searching for "erik kraft"+resume in Google.) In 1999 User:Erik was too young to graduate; he would have been almost 14. Also, on that résumé Erik A. Kraft says that he did grad work at U.Illinois: "M.L.I.S., Graduate School of Library and Information Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, May 2005." There is no reason to doubt this. Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user page: "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." That's not quite the same thing, but it's close enough to raise eyebrows. It might even be true, although that would be quite a coincidence. Today User:Erik deleted it and added this edit summary: "Removed incriminating information to avoid harassment." I suspect that User:Erik is closely following the Murphy forum, and cleverly added that bit yesterday as a "false flag" operation. It looks like the Murphy forum link to the résumé appeared just hours before User:Erik added that line. Then today he deleted it, with an eyebrow-raising edit summary, perhaps because he realized that he may be liable if it is proven that this information is false. The timing of User:Erik's posting and removal, and his edit summary, are potentially a problem for him. Originally he posted a photo that Murphy doesn't want posted, while hiding behind a screen name (that's bad enough). Now he might be playing games with Murphy (not a good idea). It could make him liable if he is posting false information that facilitates the harassment of Erik A. Kraft, an innocent party, in order to further obscure his own identity. Anyway, this is all speculation, but I think my scenario is much more likely than the scenario that User:Erik lied in 2006 on his user page about his age. In my scenario he had a motive for what he's done since yesterday, but I don't see any motive for lying about his age in 2006. I hope Murphy finds User:Erik, whoever he is. By the way, I think there's enough questionable shenanigans going on here to get User:Erik thoroughly checkusered for all of his edits that relate at all to Murphy and/or Transformers, from as far back as the logs permit. Arbcom, where are thee? |
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Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user page: "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." That's not quite the same thing, but it's close enough to raise eyebrows. It might even be true, although that would be quite a coincidence. What's the coincidence, that there were two people named Erik who went to the University of Illinois in 2005? |
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Yesterday User:Erik added this line to his user page: "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign." That's not quite the same thing, but it's close enough to raise eyebrows. It might even be true, although that would be quite a coincidence. What's the coincidence, that there were two people named Erik who went to the University of Illinois in 2005? The coincidences are in the odd timeline. 23/Apr 18:51 Murphy makes first post 'find Erik' 23/Apr 19:30 user:Erik puts on his WP use page that he is "I'm from Chicago, IL and am a graduate of University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign. " 23/Apr 20:19 GarethFT posts link to CV on Kraft's site (since removed by Kraft) 23/Apr 20:52 JesterJJZ posts Kraft address and phone 24/Apr 10:41 user:Erik says on ANI that he 'It is not funny to be outed. 24/Apr 12:27 user:Erik removes the 'I'm from Chicago' saying 'Removed incriminating evidence' 24/Apr 15:30 Erik Kraft gets called by Murphy - speaks for 30 minutes. The call was to a London number (according to Murphy I think). 24/Apr 16:01 Erik Kraft (London IP) makes series of posts on Wikipedia - Erik page, Arcayne page, ANI. Says he doesn't know who 'Don' is. 24/Apr 16:18 Erik Kraft makes series of posts on Murphy's web site. 24/Apr 16:30 Murphy removes Kraft address and phone 24/Apr 18:50 user:Erik makes series of harassment complaints on ANI and elsewhere 24/Apr 19:03 Erik Kraft creates a Wikipedia account 24/Apr 19:09 user:Erik posts on ANI apologising to Kraft 24/Apr 19:09 Erik Kraft immediately replies 24/Apr 19:09 user:Erik makes another series of posts on ANI, begins archiving 24/Apr 19:26 Erik Kraft posts on ANI asking if Murphy has ever caused physical harm 24/Apr 19:26 user:Erik edits for about hour and a half on Murphy-related pages, archives some more stuff 24/Apr 19:17 Erik Kraft makes series of posts on ANI asking user:Erik what he means by 'outed' - he says he is the one who has been outed. The really odd thing, as others have commented, is why user:Erik puts the "am a graduate of University of Illinois" AFTER the first posting by Murphy. And then removes shortly after. Why? This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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The really odd thing, as others have commented, is why user:Erik puts the "am a graduate of University of Illinois" AFTER the first posting by Murphy. And then removes shortly after. Why? Seems the most likely (but not only) explanation is that he added (and removed) it because it isn't true. Maybe intentionally to frame someone, or maybe he just picked U of I randomly and unwittingly framed someone. I don't see the the fact there is, indeed, someone named Erik who graduated from the University of Illinois, as a very unlikely coincidence. Nothing else about the two Eriks (one of whom might not even be named Erik) seems to match. The rest of the timeline doesn't strike me as odd in the least. It's only odd if you're really looking for a pattern. They could be one and the same, Erik could have tried to deliberately throw Murphy's dogs off the scent, or he might have added it and immediately found out why that was a bad idea. He could have been ignorant of the entire thing for too long, stupid, both, or just unlucky. Point is, we have no real evidence for any of it. Exactly. The odd part is that "Peter Damian" is looking for patterns. What's the point of looking for patterns if you "don't have any beliefs"? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) This post has been edited by anthony: |
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The rest of the timeline doesn't strike me as odd in the least. Many oddities. As soon as Kraft is phoned by Murphy, who, according to Kraft, only called himself Don, Kraft goes straight to Wikipedia, and edits user:Erik's page, user:Arcayne's page, and ANI. And then Murphy's website. Yet he claims to have known nothing until Murphy called him half an hour earlier. Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)? And how do we explain the sequence: Kraft creates an account THEN user:Erik posts an apology to Kraft on ANI THEN Kraft responds, all within 5 minutes? I can understand that Kraft may have been watching ANI, and then created an account and posted, in that order. But that is not the order. This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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The rest of the timeline doesn't strike me as odd in the least. Many oddities. As soon as Kraft is phoned by Murphy, who, according to Kraft, only called himself Don, Kraft goes straight to Wikipedia, and edits user:Erik's page, user:Arcayne's page, and ANI. And then Murphy's website. Yet he claims to have known nothing until Murphy called him half an hour earlier. I don't see that as odd in the least. But then, I have beliefs. Did Murphy (or any of the others who called Kraft) mention Wikipedia in his phone call? Did any of them mention User:Erik? Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)? I have no idea, but the most likely explanation would be that he didn't yet know Murphy's last name. And how do we explain the sequence: Kraft creates an account THEN user:Erik posts an apology to Kraft on ANI THEN Kraft responds, all within 5 minutes? I fail to see what's odd about that. This post has been edited by anthony: |
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Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)? I have no idea, but the most likely explanation would be that he didn't yet know Murphy's last name. So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine. |
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Why does Kraft claim on Wikipedia that he only knows Murphy as 'Don', when he has already posted on Murphy's website (which contains Murphy's surname)? I have no idea, but the most likely explanation would be that he didn't yet know Murphy's last name. So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine. Glad I could be of assistance. |
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So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine. Glad I could be of assistance. And later, as I have already said, he posts on Wikipedia apparently not knowing Don's surname. This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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So he found Murphy's website, which is called 'donmurphy.net', and found the thread with posts by 'Don Murphy, administrator', and failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'. Fine. Glad I could be of assistance. And later, as I have already said, he posts on Wikipedia apparently not knowing Don's surname. Right. But I'm going to slightly amend what you said. You said Erik "failed to realised that the 'Don' who phoned him was the same as this 'Don Murphy'". I'm saying at this point he most likely failed to notice that there was a Don Murphy involved in that site in the first place. The alternative is a grandiose plan where some guy named Erik led two lives. By day he was a 30-something business owner who designed websites and by night he pretended to be a 20-something grad student who obsessed over movies, and he kept the two lives meticulously separate, so the only thing tying them together until a week ago was the use of the name Erik. (Why, I wonder, would he bother using the same first name for his invented persona, I guess it made things easier.) And then, one day, right after someone threatened him in real life, he decided to give up that meticulously created persona and reveal the place where he graduated. I suppose that's all a possibility. I mean, Poetguy pretty much did it (minus the last sentence). But I see it as a much less likely possibility than that someone visited a website and didn't notice the URL. Ah so Erik Kraft has edited Wikipedia, which explains how he knew how to write in bold, and begin section heading with ==. To write in bold you type something, highlight it, and click on the "B". To begin a section heading with == you click the big huge A. This post has been edited by anthony: |
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I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 4,400 Joined: Member No.: 4,212 ![]() |
To write in bold you type something, highlight it, and click on the "B". To begin a section heading with == you click the big huge A. And to sign your post you look at the instruction next the save button that says 'sign your post with the four ~~~~" QUOTE But I see it as a much less likely possibility than that someone visited a website and didn't notice the URL. How did he find the URL? And how, as I said, did he miss the fact that the person he was replying to was called 'Don Murphy, administrator' in very large letters? http://donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?p=1424848 There is another possibility: user:Erik, the IP and user:Erik.kraft are all the same person. But none of them is the actual Erik Kraft. Only Murphy would know, since he called Erik in London (not Chicago, where Kraft lives). This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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There is another possibility: user:Erik, the IP and user:Erik.kraft are all the same person. But none of them is the actual Erik Kraft. Only Murphy would know, since he called Erik in London (not Chicago, where Kraft lives). 1) Why do you say that Kraft lives in Chicago? 1a) I thought you didn't have any beliefs. 2) How would any of them know about the phone call? Are you saying the real Kraft posted on donmurphy.net, but not to Wikipedia? (And you're throwing that out there solely to deal with the fact that the Wikipedia editor claimed to not know Don's last name?) So the first series of posts he is OK with the bold and the section headings (which I, a veteran Wiki user, have never noticed actually). And then later he notices how to sign his posts. It's possible I agree. But also as a veteran sock user, I am careful not to say dumb things like 'I have just realised you sign your post with four ~~~~'. I wait for someone to admonish me, or wait for the welcome message that tells you this. I guess that's more evidence that Erik Kraft is not a veteran sock user. Seriously, you should consider the fact that you, a veteran Wiki user, have never noticed the toolbar buttons, as an indication that maybe you aren't so knowledgeable about what it's like to be a brand new user of Wikipedia (or a returning user who edited briefly 3 years ago), circa 2010. This post has been edited by anthony: |
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There is another possibility: user:Erik, the IP and user:Erik.kraft are all the same person. But none of them is the actual Erik Kraft. Only Murphy would know, since he called Erik in London (not Chicago, where Kraft lives). 1) Why do you say that Kraft lives in Chicago? 1a) I thought you didn't have any beliefs. 2) How would any of them know about the phone call? Are you saying the real Kraft posted on donmurphy.net, but not to Wikipedia? No. I am saying that it is possible (and not saying I believe it) that all these people are the same: 1. User:Eric 2. The person Murphy called in London yesterday 3. The London IP who posted on User:Eric's talk page 4. The person who calls himself 'Erik Kraft' who posted on Murphy's forum. 5. User:Erik.kraft Clearly 2,3,5 and 5 are the same (you can count that as a belief). Possibly 1 is the same as them also, as we are discussing. However: 6. Erik Kraft, web designer who lives in Chicago, who has Chicago phone number may be a different person entirely. Murphy did not ring the Chicago number. I guess that's more evidence that Erik Kraft is not a veteran sock user. Correct. Only relatively inexperienced ones. [edit] However, evidence against this hypothesis is that the link to Kraft's CV http://www.restlessbee.com/archived/resume, which worked yesterday, is now dead. QUOTE Blimey! Something is amiss. I recently did a redesign, so there is a chance you clicked on an out-of-date link. This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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[nvm]
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[nvm] Too late. I can say it is possible that p without believing that p. Of course you can. I believe that, and you...well, I guess you claim you don't? It is possible that there will be an earthquake in London tomorrow. But I don't believe there will be an earthquake in London tomorrow. But do you believe that it is possible that there will be an earthquake in London tomorrow? Of course you do. The very fact that you say "X is true" implies that you believe that X is true. In this case, X just happens to have the word "possible" in it. [never argue with Anthony] Definitely a good idea for you, as long as you intend to cling to logically ridiculous statements after you are proven wrong. For others, who are able to refrain from insisting upon the absurd, it's perfectly fine to argue with me. In any case, I got what I wanted out of you: the theory that Erik Kraft, the web designer who lives in Chicago, who has Chicago phone number, is a different person from whoever answered the call at that London telephone number. Now, how was that London telephone number obtained? This post has been edited by anthony: |
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Definitely a good idea for you, as long as you intend to cling to logically ridiculous statements after you are proven wrong. For others, who are able to refrain from insisting upon the absurd, it's perfectly fine to argue with me. So tell me, did the bug that's currently up your ass about this start out small and then grow in size, or did you have to do like the "Goatse guy" to get it up in there? I mean, for shit's sake, Anthony - could you maybe be a little more annoying? I can still sort of make sense out of this thread! to clarify THIS I called his number in Chicago but it was a cell forwarded to London- it rang like a UK phone does- and he screamed he was on vacation in London Well, there you go. Problem solved! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) |
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to clarify THIS I called his number in Chicago but it was a cell forwarded to London- it rang like a UK phone does- and he screamed he was on vacation in London Well, there you go. Problem solved! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Same number on the PDF version of the resume? Is that PDF resume the same as the CV? |
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to clarify THIS I called his number in Chicago but it was a cell forwarded to London- it rang like a UK phone does- and he screamed he was on vacation in London Well, there you go. Problem solved! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Same number on the PDF version of the resume? Is that PDF resume the same as the CV? yes yes |
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