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After User:Erik added a picture to Don Murphy, the following note appeared on his talk page: QUOTE Don Murphy Photo Dear Erik
Cropping a photo does not make it a derivative work. You do not have the copyright to that photo you inserted. You can avoid personal litigation by removing it within 48 hours. The Foundation cannot avoid it. Thank you. SharkJumper 15:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC) Enjoy WP while you still can! Never mind - Apocalypse cancelled.
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I commend Peter Damian for his research. His discovery of this page (click "author" on top) confirms that Erik Kraft is 33 years old. I had already confirmed this two days ago, and said then that it was solid. Now you can take it to the bank (oops, that expression is sort of outdated these days). Peter also found another picture of Kraft. Together with Eric Barbour's discovery we're now able to count the freckles on Mr. Kraft's face. All we lack now is a big right-profile shot. I differ with Peter when he says that User:Erik's curious complaints about getting outed suggest that the two Eriks are the same person. I look at this same evidence, and I suspect that User:Erik is trying to throw researchers off the track. I believe that Erik Kraft is innocent, and while User:Erik knows this, he is all too willing to toss Kraft to the wolves because it diverts attention from User:Erik's real identity. Once Kraft began responding online, User:Erik sort of went into a mode where he teamed up with Kraft a bit, along the lines of, "We're both getting slammed by Murphy, poor us!" I don't mind disagreeing with anyone who is doing good research and sharing what they find. But I get upset when people claim they know this or that in some sort of troll offensive, without sharing any research. By the way, Peter, this was rather hasty on your part: QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 24th April 2010, 4:25pm) QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Sat 24th April 2010, 11:04pm) Today he would be 24 years old. Moreover, that same page says that he was born in Chicago, but there isn't any evidence I've seen that he lives in Chicago. No they are the same age (33). User:Erik was lying about his age, obviously. You are just plain wrong here, Peter. It is not at all obvious that he was lying about his age in 2006. If he was lying, it certainly isn't obvious to me. I fear that this thread is about to be overtaken by trolls who don't do research. While I think that Peter is drawing the wrong conclusions from some evidence, at least he's looking at evidence.
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:17pm) I differ with Peter when he says that User:Erik's curious complaints about getting outed suggest that the two Eriks are the same person. I look at this same evidence, and I suspect that User:Erik is trying to throw researchers off the track. I believe that Erik Kraft is innocent, and while User:Erik knows this, he is all too willing to toss Kraft to the wolves because it diverts attention from User:Erik's real identity. Once Kraft began responding online, User:Erik sort of went into a mode where he teamed up with Kraft a bit, along the lines of, "We're both getting slammed by Murphy, poor us!"
I don't mind disagreeing with anyone who is doing good research and sharing what they find. But I get upset when people claim they know this or that in some sort of troll offensive, without sharing any research.
I am glad we have established that they are not the same person. I am glad someone with some sense has managed to come to the same conclusion I have. I am sorry it upsets you when people claim they know this or that in some sort of troll offensive, without sharing any research, but I don't like where this is going at all. I have a feeling that User:Erik, who has left Wikipedia, will now be outed on Hivemind, which I really do not want to happen so I can't exactly release anything because of that feeling.
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QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:40pm) I am glad we have established that they are not the same person.
We have not established that they are not the same person, nor have we established that they are. To 'establish' p is to give conclusive or demonstrative evidence that p. To simply assert that p without telling how it is you know that p, is not to establish anything. It is simply to assert something. Nothing is 'established' either way, until conclusive evidence is given. QUOTE(ColScott @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:43pm) [To Greg] Then you are a revolutionary working against the cult from within
And nothing wrong with that. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Mon 26th April 2010, 10:47am) QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:40pm) I am glad we have established that they are not the same person.
We have not established that they are not the same person, nor have we established that they are. To 'establish' p is to give conclusive or demonstrative evidence that p. To simply assert that p without telling how it is you know that p, is not to establish anything. It is simply to assert something. Nothing is 'established' either way, until conclusive evidence is given. QUOTE(ColScott @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:43pm) [To Greg] Then you are a revolutionary working against the cult from within
And nothing wrong with that. one should just follow human nature why would User Erik retire so quickly and mysteriously? because he was Erik Kraft
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QUOTE(ColScott @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:48pm) one should just follow human nature why would User Erik retire so quickly and mysteriously? because he was Erik Kraft
And why did 'Erik kraft' not press 'user:Erik' harder on why he claimed to be living at the Chicago address. We have firm evidence 'Erik kraft' spotted this fact. If they were two separate people, Kraft should be extremely angry that 'user:Erik' has claimed to live there, and would blame him for bringing down the wrath of Murphy upon him. But 'Erik kraft' is mildly asking, without any sign of anger, why 'user:Erik' claims to have been outed, and merely making the counterclaim that it is he who has been outed. And on the other side, 'user:Erik' has given no explanation - though he had the opportunity - to explain why he made the claim about outing, and claiming to live at Kraft's address in Chicago. The best hypothesis is that they are the same person. The next best is that they are different, and that 'user:Erik' despicably pointed Murphy in the wrong direction. QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:53pm) QUOTE(ColScott @ Mon 26th April 2010, 6:48pm) why would User Erik retire so quickly and mysteriously? because he was Erik Kraft
Or, the more likely explanation, is that he is afraid of you and your gang finding him, and afraid for his fiancée. But not afraid for Erik.kraft, whom he has not helped in the slightest by retiring (if the non-identity theory is correct). If the identity theory is correct, Murphy knows who he is already, and retiring will not help.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Mon 26th April 2010, 5:58pm) And why did 'Erik kraft' not press 'user:Erik' harder on why he claimed to be living at the Chicago address. We have firm evidence 'Erik kraft' spotted this fact. If they were two separate people, Kraft should be extremely angry that 'user:Erik' has claimed to live there, and would blame him for bringing down the wrath of Murphy upon him. But 'Erik kraft' is mildly asking, without any sign of anger, why 'user:Erik' claims to have been outed, and merely making the counterclaim that it is he who has been outed. And on the other side, 'user:Erik' has given no explanation - though he had the opportunity - to explain why he made the claim about outing, and claiming to live at Kraft's address in Chicago.
The best hypothesis is that they are the same person. The next best is that they are different, and that 'user:Erik' despicably pointed Murphy in the wrong direction.
Peter, are you taking this exchange to mean that User:Erik is claiming to live at the address posted on Murphy's site? QUOTE I hope that's not your real address that they pulled up on the website. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) SilverserenC 07:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC) Yeah, they're in the process of outing me. Hopefully they won't harass my fiancee... Erik (talk | contribs) 10:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC) Consider this: User:Erik knows that Murphy's fanboys are attempting to out him ("in the process of") but have not yet done so (because they have the wrong guy). He's not saying "Yeah, that is my address", he's saying "Yeah, I'm going to get outed". This post has been edited by carbuncle:
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QUOTE(carbuncle @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:06pm) QUOTE I hope that's not your real address that they pulled up on the website. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unhappy.gif) SilverserenC 07:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC) Yeah, they're in the process of outing me. Hopefully they won't harass my fiancee... Erik (talk | contribs) 10:12, 24 April 2010 (UTC) Consider this: User:Erik knows that Murphy's fanboys are attempting to out him ("in the process of") but have not yet done so (because they have the wrong guy). He's not saying "Yeah, that is my address", he's saying "Yeah, I'm going to get outed". I did consider it. It is a possibility. But why did he not immediately deny that the address and number were his? Why did he not immediately say 'they've got the wrong guy'? And why did he use the word 'process'? If Kraft was really not him, it would be 'blind alley', not 'process'. On the identity hypothesis, by contrast, he unguardedly admitted the truth, and only later realised the incriminating nature of this, thus logged in as 'Erik.kraft' and confronted himself. QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:09pm) That's how I see it. At no point does he say anything like "Yes, he has my details, that's me."
But he implies it. He uses the word 'process', implying a progression towards successful identifyication. And, despite the fact that, on your hypothesis, a completely innocent person has been targeted, he in no way attempts to correct this. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:13pm) QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:09pm) That's how I see it. At no point does he say anything like "Yes, he has my details, that's me."
But he implies it. He uses the word 'process', implying a progression towards successful identifyication. And, despite the fact that, on your hypothesis, a completely innocent person has been targeted, he in no way attempts to correct this. I know, and I'm not saying he's right. QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:19pm) And why aren't WMF helping user:Erik in any way? Erik Kraft was in London, editing from a London IP. At exactly the same time, user:Erik was editing, supposedly in Chicago, from presumably a different IP. Without revealing user:Erik's identity, someone from Wikipedia could at least make a statement that the IP's were different.
I suppose they would argue that (from past experience) no one would believe them. Fair enough.
Has anyone even asked for a check to be carried out? QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:20pm) QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 1:53pm) Or, the more likely explanation, is that he is afraid of you and your gang finding him, and afraid for his fiancée.
Oh, no...not another one who is pretending to be afraid that people who have absolutely nothing to do with the mess are going to be sucked into the maelstrom. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) I am confused and I am not hunting about the mothership for clues, so let me be so bold as to ask: if User:Erik is not Erik Kraft, who the hell is he? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) It's all on the wiki, if you want answers. He'll be found out eventually, but I'd rather not assist in that.
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QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:24pm) It's all on the wiki, if you want answers. He'll be found out eventually, but I'd rather not assist in that.
Where on the wiki? And how do you explain this QUOTE People at the website referenced in the Wikipedia article have seen fit to harass me, so I am removing the website as a reference and an external link per [[WP:BLP#Using the subject as a self-published source]]. The website is of ill repute, and there is no reason to provide access to a website that is the source of off-wiki harassment of Wikipedia editors. [[User:Erik|Erik]] ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contribs]]) 10:24, 24 April 2010 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=357992099If he is referring to Murphy's forum, and if he is different from Kraft, he has not been harassed at all. QUOTE(Theanima @ Mon 26th April 2010, 7:24pm) It's all on the wiki, if you want answers. He'll be found out eventually, but I'd rather not assist in that.
Where are the 12 year olds when you need them?* *Referencing someone's remark that a 12-year old could easily find it.
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How did [K], 30 minutes after the last call from ... Moulton Notwithstanding the competing theories about ident... Moulton This kerfuffle might have been avoided if the bio ... Zoloft I note that since it became really obvious that Do... ColScott
I note that since it became really obvious that D... carbuncle
I note that since it became really obvious that ... ColScott
[quote name='ColScott' post='233288' date='Tue 27... Theanima
[quote name='ColScott' post='233288' date='Tue 2... carbuncle Ok, are we all agreed that User:Erik and Erik Kraf...
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