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QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues. Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)? Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldSome of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"?
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:24am) QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues. Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)? Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldSome of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"? I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 3:30pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:24am) QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues. Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)? Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_worldSome of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"? I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims. The Muslim population in the USA is rather well educated, many very well educated. The ones that have citizenship vote, and most are politically active. It is a small population, but probably already bigger than the USA Jewish population. Muslims need to develop an ability to deal with stuff they may not like. Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech. I would like to see Muslims develop enough humor about themselves so they could make an ad like this one made by Israeli Jews about their own religion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQQkopQSOlA
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech.
As is saying "You're being a dick to Muslims for no good reason."Since the Age of Reason most religions have learned to live with the criticism that comes their way. Why do you think Muslims can not take the same criticisms that other religions are subject to? "Dicks"? It would be, in fact, more rational to call "dicks" those who become threatening, or violent, when criticized.
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:18pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech.
As is saying "You're being a dick to Muslims for no good reason."Since the Age of Reason most religions have learned to live with the criticism that comes their way. Why do you think Muslims can not take the same criticisms that other religions are subject to? "Dicks"? It would be, in fact, more rational to call "dicks" those who become threatening, or violent, when criticized. You are certainly more reasonable than Ottava. But Muslims do have to deal with many, many Ottavas. I also think you over estimate the economic status of Muslims in America. There is great diversity, with a large and affluent exile Iranian community in LA and a even larger working class and recent immigrant community in East Dearborn. Guess who takes the brunt of the anti-Muslim hate?
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:37pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:18pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 4:23pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 11:09am) Of course hate speech is forbiden, but otherwise mild humor and criticism is protected freedom of speech. As is saying "You're being a dick to Muslims for no good reason."Since the Age of Reason most religions have learned to live with the criticism that comes their way. Why do you think Muslims can not take the same criticisms that other religions are subject to? "Dicks"? It would be, in fact, more rational to call "dicks" those who become threatening, or violent, when criticized. You are certainly more reasonable than Ottava. But Muslims do have to deal with many, many Ottavas. I also think you over estimate the economic status of Muslims in America. There is great diversity, with a large and affluent exile Iranian community in LA and a even larger working class and recent immigrant community in East Dearborn. Guess who takes the brunt of the anti-Muslim hate? Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:47pm) Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate. Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:03pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 12:47pm) Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate. Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.Please don't cite Wikipedia articles to me for general background, it only debases the discussion. Of course if your point is about an article or userpage then no problem. I have spoken out repeatedly about antisemitism on this site. I get the same "censorship" nonsense about that, too.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 6:09pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 1:03pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:56pm) QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:47pm) Is it, then, your view that for that reason Islam can not be criticized? US law forbids hate crimes against anyone, and (as little as I like its basic idea) Everybody Draw Mohammed Day does not seem to promote hate. Why is this so hard? I'm not saying "you can't criticize Islam." I'm saying you're not immune from criticism yourself for such a petty and mean spirited ploy disguised as a "protest." If to many adherents of Islam an important religious tenent is not to depict their prophet and people go out of there way to mock them for this it seems to me petty and mean. Did you make this big a deal about the Holocaust Cartoon Contest? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International...oon_CompetitionI did not hear much complaining from Muslin sources. Its the usual: if I do it to you its good, but if you do it to me its bad.Please don't cite Wikipedia articles to me for general background, it only debases the discussion. Of course if your point is about an article or userpage then no problem. I have spoken out repeatedly about antisemitism on this site. I get the same "censorship" nonsense about that, too. You did not answer my question, which makes it appear that you did not protest the Holocaust Cartoon Contest. (NB: I will site whatever sources I choose. Please do not tell me what to do.)
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