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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 27th May 2010, 2:19pm) Am I seriously still blocked on English Wikiversity? Not only that -- but no e-mail access rights, no Talk page rights, and I can't edit my User page to look the way I want it to? Does Adambro run that joint? Wikiversity really has a problem. Sure. So new? Greg, I asked you if you wanted intervention, and suggested that, for me to attempt it, I'd want some assurances about your behavior, at least short-term. I am not accusing you of misbehavior, but if I stick out my neck to seek your unblock, I'd not want to see you take the opportunity to, basically, get yourself blocked again, in short order. If you don't push the edges and they go after you anyway, I'd stand behind you, that much I don't mind at all, and we owe it to each other. You might notice that you are still listed as a speaker on Wikipedia, on the meta speaker page. They may try to take it out again, possibly, but I don't think it will be difficult to maintain relative consensus there. I've been busy so I haven't even responded to some of the flak. You didn't really answer me, or you answered me with, more or less, a refusal to comply with what I'd need. No harm, and, in a way, I don't blame you, but ... I would trust your assurances, it's up to you. Hey, what do you want to do on Wikiversity? Why do you care about access rights? Give me some reason to think -- and to argue -- that you'd be good for the place. Simply being right, often, isn't enough! And if an ugly user page is the problem, send me some wikitext. I'll put it up if I don't consider it disruptive. If you want email access to a WV user or administrator, send me an email to forward and I'll forward it or tell you why I'm not. Greg, I absolutely don't approve of the way you have been treated, but that doesn't mean that I think all your behavior was wise or useful. I've asked for adminship there, Ottava has agreed to sponsor/mentor me, but I doubt I would use it in this matter, because I'm probably too involved. I'd rather work for consensus, anyway. Your comment above about Adambro, if it's typical of what you'd write on wikiversity, doesn't make me hopeful, though. But I do realize this is the Review. As to consensus, timing is a huge part of it. Jimbo came down on Wikiversity (and you), and, in response, there was the meta proposal to remove the founder flag from Jimbo. It was going nowhere, running about two to one against. Then came the Commons incident. The issue was really the same, but the nature of the immediate conflict raised a lot more attention. So it's now four to one for removal. My guess is that the flag won't be removed, because the essential tools that could be used to make the same mistakes he made at Wikiversity and on Commons have been removed. But one never can tell. I'm hoping that Jimbo starts to use his influence, what's left of it (it's probably still considerable), to push for better governance, true consensus process. I think it's possible. Meanwhile, many dream that the problems will just go away if they can only get rid of those bad guys. False hope, even if you do get rid of one set of bad guys, with enormous effort and huge wasted time, more will take their place. The system creates the bad guys out of the material fed to it and according to the structure that exists. It may fix itself, if given a hundred years. Maybe.
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QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) You didn't really answer me, or you answered me with, more or less, a refusal to comply with what I'd need. No harm, and, in a way, I don't blame you, but ... I would trust your assurances, it's up to you.
You make it sound like Abd is the only human who could possibly get my account unblocked on Wikiversity. QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) Hey, what do you want to do on Wikiversity? Why do you care about access rights? I don't know! Maybe it's just the principle of defying the irrational acts of a tyrant. Who knows where the human imagination will take me? Have you seen some of my recent efforts on NetKnowledge.org? How disruptive have I been there? Many of my peers there are Wikiversity veterans. We seem to be getting along. QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) And if an ugly user page is the problem, send me some wikitext. I'll put it up if I don't consider it disruptive. Do you consider this disruptive? If not, put it up on my Wikiversity User page. Then, get it back in place on Meta. QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) Your comment above about Adambro, if it's typical of what you'd write on wikiversity, doesn't make me hopeful, though. But I do realize this is the Review. I'm finding that Adambro's contribution history is little different than that of a bot designed to welcome new users, revert vandalism, create new categories, and move pages from place to place. Why does a bot have rule over the entire project? QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) I'm hoping that Jimbo starts to use his influence, what's left of it (it's probably still considerable), to push for better governance, true consensus process. I think it's possible. I'm hoping to win the Powerball Lottery, then devote a month's worth of training to run a 4-minute mile, and then I seek to become a licensed neurosurgeon. I think it's more possible than what you think is possible. This post has been edited by thekohser:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 27th May 2010, 11:25pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) You didn't really answer me, or you answered me with, more or less, a refusal to comply with what I'd need. No harm, and, in a way, I don't blame you, but ... I would trust your assurances, it's up to you. You make it sound like Abd is the only human who could possibly get my account unblocked on Wikiversity. Probably not, I don't see why you say, "you make it sound" that way. I'm one person offering assistance and asking for something as a condition. Were I an admin there, as it looks like I might become, I would do the same, unless I saw the block as purely disruptive. There is an argument for that, but there is are arguments in the other direction. I'm trying to respect both sides of this, plus the welfare of the project itself. Overall, I suspect, it will benefit from your restrained participation. QUOTE QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) Hey, what do you want to do on Wikiversity? Why do you care about access rights? I don't know! Maybe it's just the principle of defying the irrational acts of a tyrant. Pardon me if I make sure I'm not standing next to you when the guards notice your defiance. If you are going to shoot the King, don't miss! I appreciate your comment, and well understand it, but it doesn't make me feel particularly safe, thinking of suggesting unblock. Are you capable of restraining this impulse? Not suppressing it, that's different, but being careful about where you place and express your defiance. Just being back as an editor at Wikiversity would be a kind of defiance and victory, but if you then act in a way that justifies the block, you'd undo much of that or more. QUOTE Who knows where the human imagination will take me? Have you seen some of my recent efforts on NetKnowledge.org? How disruptive have I been there? Many of my peers there are Wikiversity veterans. We seem to be getting along. Good sign. Why don't they support your unblock on Wikiversity? Surely that would help. Or is only one faction represented there? (I haven't looked, don't have time yet). Problem is, Greg, those who would support you on Wikiversity, disappeared, abandoned the field. It wasn't just that they were blocked, mostly they are not blocked. But, probably, they got tired of the endless controversy. Hence my caution. Take a look at the promise I made today at My RfA. What if you made a promise like that, for some probationary period? I.e., "If you support my unblock, and during a set probationary period, I consent to reversion by you, I promise to stop any on-wiki activity if you object to it during the probationary period, and, if I violate this promise, and you request it, I consent to a block by any administrator who has supported or implemented this unblock request, with the administrator only allowing a violation of the promise if the administrator agrees that the welfare of the project required the violating action." Or something like that. Your words. A promise you could keep and that protects those who support you and that might even mollify those who would rather see you drop dead. In fact, they may believe that you would be unable to keep the promise, so they will assume that, next time, you'll really be in the wiki-grave, truly banned by local consensus. They may try to stop the unblock anyway, out of habit, but not with great vigor, the rug having been pulled out from under their argument. Only those who approve your unblock get the promise, as I wrote it, which means that they are voluntarily willing to take the risk that they'd have to object.... You would have set up conditions that would not only make serious disruption quite unlikely, you would also have effectively solicited support by possible fence-sitters. Of course, if you really just want to be able to complain about the idiot administrators who block you, you may not want to do this. I think there is valuable work you could do at Wikiversity, and I disagree that Wikiversity is not a place for criticism of Wikimedia projects. But such criticism should be done with the highest standards, and there is a problem at Wikiversity with inadequate supervision, so a resource there can readily become, shall we say, excessive. Or can be seen that way by those criticized. In order for this to not be disruptive, then, the criticism must be handled so that self-serving objection to it becomes visible as such. Which means giving those criticized no excuse. And that probably requires a community, not just one individual. QUOTE QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) And if an ugly user page is the problem, send me some wikitext. I'll put it up if I don't consider it disruptive. Do you consider this disruptive? If not, put it up on my Wikiversity User page. Then, get it back in place on Meta. I'll look and do what I can, or tell you why not. QUOTE QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) Your comment above about Adambro, if it's typical of what you'd write on wikiversity, doesn't make me hopeful, though. But I do realize this is the Review. I'm finding that Adambro's contribution history is little different than that of a bot designed to welcome new users, revert vandalism, create new categories, and move pages from place to place. Why does a bot have rule over the entire project? Oh, come on! Wikiversity is very short of contributors. He helps, and maybe he did something less than helpful. It can be undone. It's a wiki. Do you think that you help the cause of unblocking you by criticizing Adambro? You know how far that argument goes, on Wikipedia, i.e., "I should be unblocked because the blocking admin is a biased robot of no intellligence." The editor might as well write [declined] himself. QUOTE QUOTE(Abd @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:44pm) I'm hoping that Jimbo starts to use his influence, what's left of it (it's probably still considerable), to push for better governance, true consensus process. I think it's possible. I'm hoping to win the Powerball Lottery, then devote a month's worth of training to run a 4-minute mile, and then I seek to become a licensed neurosurgeon. I think it's more possible than what you think is possible. Good luck. I'm about the same, except I WP:DGAF about the license. I noticed that you can buy scalpels without a license. Mostly, I haven't tried directly to influence Jimbo. I haven't felt ready. Just like I'm not doing any neurosurgery yet. Maybe tomorrow.
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QUOTE(Abd @ Fri 28th May 2010, 1:02pm) Pardon me if I make sure I'm not standing next to you when the guards notice your defiance. If you are going to shoot the King, don't miss! I appreciate your comment, and well understand it, but it doesn't make me feel particularly safe, thinking of suggesting unblock. Are you capable of restraining this impulse? Not suppressing it, that's different, but being careful about where you place and express your defiance. Just being back as an editor at Wikiversity would be a kind of defiance and victory, but if you then act in a way that justifies the block, you'd undo much of that or more.
What I meant was that the mere click of the "Unblock" tab by an admin, any admin, would be the act of rebellion. All this negotiation about what I will promise to do or, more specifically, not do once unblocked is rather beside the point. Jimmy Wales' block of me on Wikiversity was wrong, unsupported by community process there. People who have ethical marrow would restore my account at Wikiversity, no strings, free of conditions. What you're doing, Abd, is grandstanding. Which is fine. But, good gravy, man. Just look at everything you typed and typed and typed above. Then compare what Jayvdb did. He saw something stupid and unjust, and he overturned it. No 600-word essays. This post has been edited by thekohser:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 29th May 2010, 1:30am) ... Then compare what Jayvdb did.
He saw something stupid and unjust, and he overturned it. No 600-word essays.
I do have the advantage of being able to do something about it, while Abd can only wax lyrical, and he is well versed in this. I wouldn't describe the block action as 'stupid' or 'unjust', but the process was a bit of both. Based on only a little reading, it seems the block was justified by your "wikisins" on (and around) English Wikipedia, and I can appreciate that some administrators on other projects feel that this is either sufficient to warrant a global ban, or that it is expedient to take preventative action. Jimbo could have performed a global ban using the tools he had at his disposal at the time, or he could have initiated a global ban request/discussion on meta, but instead we have a mess, with blocks that use circular logic, or references to overturned decisions. More importantly, I don't like other projects being subjugated to English Wikipedia; their administration methodology and decisions are a consequence of the make up of their community, and the "pace" at which the en.wp community wants to push the project, which can be very dysfunctional at times. The other projects need to able to make their own mistakes. This post has been edited by jayvdb:
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Fri 28th May 2010, 11:49pm) I don't like other projects being subjugated to English Wikipedia; their administration methodology and decisions are a consequence of the make up of their community, and the "pace" at which the en.wp community wants to push the project, which can be very dysfunctional at times. The other projects need to able to make their own mistakes. As far as I know, the the precedent for power cliques on the English Wikipedia invading and subverting Wikiversity first occurred two summers ago, when Greg, WAS 4.250, PrivateMusings, TheFieryAngel and I started a workshop there on Managerial Ethics. At that time IDCab, JzG, Cary, and Jimbo intervened there to shut it down. They got away with it then, so Jimbo pulled the same stunt, single-handed, a couple of months ago. And he got away with it again.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 3:58am) QUOTE(jayvdb @ Fri 28th May 2010, 11:49pm) I don't like other projects being subjugated to English Wikipedia; their administration methodology and decisions are a consequence of the make up of their community, and the "pace" at which the en.wp community wants to push the project, which can be very dysfunctional at times. The other projects need to able to make their own mistakes. As far as I know, the the precedent for power cliques on the English Wikipedia invading and subverting Wikiversity first occurred two summers ago, when Greg, WAS 4.250, PrivateMusings, TheFieryAngel and I started a workshop there on Managerial Ethics. At that time IDCab, JzG, Cary, and Jimbo intervened there to shut it down. They got away with it then, so Jimbo pulled the same stunt, single-handed, a couple of months ago. And he got away with it again. To be fair, as English Wikipedia was the subject of the Wikiversity project, and Wikipedians were the subject, it was the Wikiversity project which imported the English Wikipedia politics. This Wikiversity project, and probably many others, have a human ethics problem which still concern me. Wikiversity needs a Human Research Ethics Committee before it should permit any research or case studies about people (esp. living people) to be conducted on public pages.
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[quote name='Moulton' post='242961' date='Tue 6th... Moulton Does that mean that logging in to Commons or Wikis... thekohser I don't know SUL from my SUV, but this seems t... Moulton Over at Wikiversity, Ottava poses this question to... thekohser Apparently, Jimbo's global ban does not have t... Moulton Apparently, Jimbo's global ban does not have t... ulsterman
if you have a friendly local admin on a site
Yes... CharlotteWebb
Yes, I shook hands with a friendly admin once. To... Moulton Did the joke buzzer burn a hole in your palm? Adrignola
Apparently, Jimbo's global ban does not have ... thekohser
[quote name='thekohser' post='246843' date='Thu 5... Abd
[quote name='Adrignola' post='246932' date='Thu 5... Moulton There was a chap who lived about 2000 years ago wh... GlassBeadGame
There was a chap who lived about 2000 years ago w... trenton I'd be curious to know how Mr. Jyothis got inv... Abd
I'd be curious to know how Mr. Jyothis got in... thekohser It does appear that the Wikibooks leadership commu... Moulton Are we going to have to repeat, yet another time, ... Adrignola For those interested, Mike.lifeguard has posted a... Abd
For those interested, Mike.lifeguard has posted ... Moulton It is extremely dangerous to allow anyone to be ... SB_Johnny
It is extremely dangerous to allow anyone to be ... Moulton [quote name='Moulton' post='247511' date='Mon 9th ... Abd [quote name='Moulton' post='247511' date='Mon 9th ... Moulton [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='247556' date='Tue 10... thekohser I'm curious, how is the user supposed to himse... Milton Roe
I'm curious, how is the user supposed to hims... Moulton I'm curious, how is the user supposed to himse... Adrignola
I'm curious, how is the user supposed to hims... thekohser Okay, we'll see if the measured and rational l... Abd Okay, [url=http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?tit... thekohser
It worked on Wikiversity, and, my belief, Adambro... Moulton I'm recommending the use of self-reverted edit... Abd I'm recommending the use of self-reverted edit... Moulton Or does this make too much sense?
I regret to say ... Abd
Or does this make too much sense?
I regret to say... Moulton Moulton, I think you have applied Ethical Best Pra... Jon Awbrey Dontcha just love the way some people project thei... thekohser Anyone for some side-betting on the date whereby T... Abd Anyone for some side-betting on the date whereby T... Cock-up-over-conspiracy I have no idea what this is all about ... but shou...
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