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A coincidental meeting of some of popular WR themes and characters?
Stillwaterising, known for some strong opions about the recent porn deletions on Commons and for obessively polishing the bio of professional deepthroat enthusiast Heather Harmon, has added an image of an adult female model to Child erotica. That image comes from the uploads of the prolific Commons porn uploader Max Rebo Band. I have no good explanation for why Stillwaterising would be adding a picture of an adult female -- she is a Suicide Girls model, so at least 18 -- to an article about "child" erotica. |
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Neophyte Group: Contributors Posts: 18 Joined: Member No.: 19,949 ![]() |
I chose this image because it comes from a source that is 2257(e) compliant. I don't know how old this model actually is (however SG claims all models are over 18 at time of production), however it is not pornographic because it does not have show sexual conduct or "lascivious display" of genitalia. Use of an identifiable minor would be highly inappropiate so this image could be thought of as "simulated child erotica". This post has been edited by Stillwaterising: |
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Dharma Bum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 7,919 Joined: From: My name it means nothing. My age it means less. The country I come from is called the Mid-West. Member No.: 981 ![]() |
I chose this image because it comes from a source that is 2257(e) compliant. I don't know how old this model actually is (however SG claims all models are over 18 at time of production), however it is not pornographic because it does not have show sexual conduct or "lascivious display" of genitalia. Use of an identifiable minor would be highly inappropiate so this image could be thought of as "simulated child erotica". You're basically a free culture scumbag. |
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Neophyte Group: Contributors Posts: 18 Joined: Member No.: 19,949 ![]() |
You're basically a free culture scumbag. This is from the provisional posting rules: Statement of principles The Wikipedia Review is an open forum, and its moderators pledge to avoid the sorts of vindictiveness and subterfuge that characterize the so-called "Wikipedia cabal." |
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Dharma Bum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 7,919 Joined: From: My name it means nothing. My age it means less. The country I come from is called the Mid-West. Member No.: 981 ![]() |
You're basically a free culture scumbag. This is from the provisional posting rules: Statement of principles The Wikipedia Review is an open forum, and its moderators pledge to avoid the sorts of vindictiveness and subterfuge that characterize the so-called "Wikipedia cabal." You are not entitled to dictate the parameters of discussion here. Your exploitation and disregard for children is reprehensible. Go fuck yourself. |
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Neophyte Group: Contributors Posts: 18 Joined: Member No.: 19,949 ![]() |
You're basically a free culture scumbag. You are not entitled to dictate the parameters of discussion here. Your exploitation and disregard for children is reprehensible. Go fuck yourself. Patently false. I've fought tirelessly against child exploitation by expanding Wikipedia's legal coverage on the topic. I'm also the primary author of the child pornography restrictions of Com:Sex (current and April 2010 pro 2257 version). I've also started numerous anti-child porn DRs and threads such as ongoing brittsuza@Flickr mass DR. I realize that this is a hot topic, however incivility l, from a Moderator no less, is completely uncalled for. This post has been edited by Stillwaterising: |
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Dharma Bum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 7,919 Joined: From: My name it means nothing. My age it means less. The country I come from is called the Mid-West. Member No.: 981 ![]() |
You're basically a free culture scumbag. You are not entitled to dictate the parameters of discussion here. Your exploitation and disregard for children is reprehensible. Go fuck yourself. Patently false. I've fought tirelessly against child exploitation by expanding Wikipedia's legal coverage on the topic. I'm also the primary author of the child pornography restrictions of Com:Sex (current and April 2010 pro 2257 version). I've also started numerous anti-child porn DRs and threads such as ongoing brittsuza@Flickr mass DR. I realize that this is a hot topic, however incivility l, from a Moderator no less, is completely uncalled for. I am limiting my consideration to the placement of an erotic image of a young woman with features physically consistent with those of a child (although purported to be an adult) into an article on "child erotica." This act was exploitative and irresponsible. You cannot expect to avoid condemnation in the strongest possible terms for this kind of act. I have no desire to be polite or welcoming to a person who did such a unconscionable thing. Some of your other positions on WP may be better than this action but that in no way justifies your conduct. |
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Neophyte Group: Contributors Posts: 18 Joined: Member No.: 19,949 ![]() |
I am limiting my consideration to the placement of an erotic image of a young woman with features physically consistent with those of a child (although purported to be an adult) into an article on "child erotica." This act was exploitative and irresponsible. You cannot expect to avoid condemnation in the strongest possible terms for this kind of act. I have no desire to be polite or welcoming to a person who did such a unconscionable thing. Some of your other positions on WP may be better than this action but that in no way justifies your conduct. Please consider the whole picture then. Please keep in the mind, and feel free to check the record, that I have NEVER uploaded an explicit image and this is the ONLY image of this type that I've inserted into an article. I did so to illustrate a point and bring awareness to this issue. I followed all laws and image guidelines. I did not intend to cause any disruption. Maybe SWR is trolling us. (Just a thought.) How could I be trolling WR if I didn't start this thread? This post has been edited by Stillwaterising: |
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melli fera, fera... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Inactive Posts: 340 Joined: Member No.: 17,787 ![]() |
I realize that this is a hot topic, however incivility l, from a Moderator no less, is completely uncalled for. I don't think we have any sort of civility policy per se, and we're largely glad of it. I don't think anything GBG said comes close to "vindictiveness" or "subterfuge", though feel free to contradict me. Please consider the whole picture then. Please keep in the mind, and feel free to check the record, that I have NEVER uploaded an explicit image and this is the ONLY image of this type that I've inserted into an article. I did so to illustrate a point and bring awareness to this issue. I followed all laws and image guidelines. I did not intent to cause any disruption. Instead of, perhaps subconsciously, attempting to shift the focus with wiki-style getting offended about civilty, how's about you explain briefly why the hell you were thinking an article on "child erotica" required a picture? |
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Neophyte Group: Contributors Posts: 18 Joined: Member No.: 19,949 ![]() |
Instead of, perhaps subconsciously, attempting to shift the focus with wiki-style getting offended about civilty, how's about you explain briefly why the hell you were thinking an article on "child erotica" required a picture? Obstensibly, very few articles require images, however Commons has over 6 million or them and I had noticed this "boyshorts" image earlier in a discussion thread for Commons Talk:Sexual Content called Sexy Teenagers. I had started working on Child Erotica ten hours earlier as part of the newly created Dost test that I wrote initially to help define what kind of images of children (with children meaning any person under the age of consent by the legal definition) should be considered prohibited. Since this image is from SuicideGirls, and they do claim that all of their models are 18+ and claim to hold 2257 records, I thought this image may be a suitable to demonstrate what child erotica looks like without actually displaying a child. A copy of this girl's drivers license and signed record keeping form with date(s) of photography should be held by SG's custiodian of records found at their legal page here. Please note, they can only be viewed by an US Attorney or law enforcement with a legitimate search warrant. This post has been edited by Stillwaterising: |
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Fat Cat ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Regulars Posts: 1,601 Joined: Member No.: 5,544 ![]() |
Obstensibly, very few articles require images, however Commons has over 6 million or them and I had noticed this "boyshorts" image earlier in a discussion thread for Commons Talk:Sexual Content called Sexy Teenagers. I had started working on Child Erotica ten hours earlier as part of the newly created Dost test that I wrote initially to help define what kind of images of children (with children meaning any person under the age of consent by the legal definition) should be considered prohibited. Since this image is from SuicideGirls, and they do claim that all of their models are 18+ and claim to hold 2257 records, I thought this image may be a suitable to demonstrate what child erotica looks like without actually displaying a child. Leaving the question of why this article needs an image, why would you think that an image of a post-pubescent young woman would be a suitable substitute for one of a child? She clearly isn't a child, whatever doubts you may have about her age. Isn't "child erotica" much more likely to depict actual children? Wouldn't readers perhaps be mislead by your choice of an image into thinking that "child erotica" is a harmless charade by adults and not the deliberate sexualization of pre-pubescent children? Just curious about your thought process leading up to the inclusion of the image. |
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Neophyte Group: Contributors Posts: 18 Joined: Member No.: 19,949 ![]() |
Leaving the question of why this article needs an image, why would you think that an image of a post-pubescent young woman would be a suitable substitute for one of a child? She clearly isn't a child, whatever doubts you may have about her age. Isn't "child erotica" much more likely to depict actual children? Wouldn't readers perhaps be mislead by your choice of an image into thinking that "child erotica" is a harmless charade by adults and not the deliberate sexualization of pre-pubescent children? Just curious about your thought process leading up to the inclusion of the image. This was inspired by reading New York v. Ferber. In the actual text it says: QUOTE The value of permitting live performances and photographic reproductions of children engaged in lewd sexual conduct is exceedingly modest, if not de minimis. We consider it unlikely that visual depictions of children performing sexual acts or lewdly exhibiting their genitals would often constitute an important and necessary part of a literary performance or scientific or educational work. As a state judge in this case observed, if it were necessary for literary or artistic value, a person over the statutory age who perhaps looked younger could be utilized. Simulation outside of the prohibition of the statute could provide another alternative. Nor is there any question here of censoring a particular literary theme or portrayal of sexual activity. The First Amendment interest is limited to that of rendering the portrayal somewhat more "realistic" by utilizing or photographing children. |
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Postmaster General ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 2,553 Joined: Member No.: 4,284 ![]() |
This was inspired by reading New York v. Ferber. God, you're dense. The outrage here is not that anyone thinks what you've done is illegal in the United States. The problem is that you have no moral compass on this issue whatsoever. Why the fucking hell is it good and proper to "demonstrate what child erotica looks like"? That's why you said you posted the image, and I find your rationale mind-boggling. This post has been edited by One: |
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Anthropologist from Mars ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 10,222 Joined: From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 ![]() |
The problem is that you have no moral compass on this issue whatsoever. This is the part that troubles me, as well. The law cannot possibly provide a moral compass. That's not the function of the law. Which begs the question that One poses. Where is your moral compass on this issue? |
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