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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 1st June 2010, 9:44pm) For those who are still fitting the puzzle pieces together, a good question is... Who deleted this image, which used to adorn my WMF Board of Trustees election candidate page? http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...h=-1&tagfilter=Herbythyme. He's decided it's "‎Off topic for Meta/Unlicensed".
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QUOTE(ulsterman @ Tue 1st June 2010, 5:05pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 1st June 2010, 9:44pm) For those who are still fitting the puzzle pieces together, a good question is... Who deleted this image, which used to adorn my WMF Board of Trustees election candidate page? http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...h=-1&tagfilter=Herbythyme. He's decided it's "‎Off topic for Meta/Unlicensed". If the image was "off topic", why did it persist for nearly 10 months on a page that was viewed over 20,000 times? This would be a good spot for Abd to give his view of matters, how Herbythyme is conflicted, carrying out a personal vendetta, but I should restrain myself from calling Herby a moron, because that will just upset him. I also contend that the image was not "Unlicensed", but I can't argue to that point, what with the image being deleted. On Herby's user page on Meta, he says: "I have a major failing - I'm human, I make mistakes, when I do point them out to me please, thanks." Perhaps some brave soul could point this one out to him, as well as help him punctuate the sentence on his user page, so that it's more coherent. This post has been edited by thekohser:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 1st June 2010, 9:27pm) Well, one out of two ain't bad. Thanks, MZ. Yeah, I'm cheering. Really, that deletion was stupid and vindictive. Didn't he look at "where used"? Herby is utterly unqualified to be an admin, unless we fix the adminship system so that all he can do is use a mop on uncontroversial stuff. He might screw up even that though. I've been getting ideas, discussing adminship on enwiki-l. But that's for another day. Greg, I fully understand why you'd not want to make any special agreements to secure an unblock at Wikiversity, because it appears you didn't do anything wrong. I can understand why you would expect some upstanding admin to unblock you on the sheer justice of it. But I'm not an administrator, and if I become one, I'll be on probation, and my own view of adminship is not as becoming some kind of avenging angel. I can probably help you much better as an ordinary editor, and if ordinary editors realized the power they have and used it, admin abuse would be a thing of the past. But they don't, so abusive admins still have power. Nevertheless, what I'd do even as an admin is the same as what I'd do -- and will eventually do if someone doesn't beat me to it -- as an ordinary editor, i.e., negotiate consensus. If I can do that, who actually unblocks doesn't matter, and that should be true for any administrative action. As a new editor there, though, I need to lay a foundation with the community. There are others in a position to directly unblock, and one may eventually come to that. If you have actually managed to alienate all the admins, well, that's hard to recover from. There are a lot of inactive admins on WV. I very much appreciate it when an admin reading here notices a situation like that and does something about it. MZM was simple and clear. Yay!!!
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 12:15pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 12:39am) Greg, I fully understand why you'd not want to make any special agreements to secure an unblock at Wikiversity, because it appears you didn't do anything wrong. I can understand why you would expect some upstanding admin to unblock you on the sheer justice of it. Oh, yes. Tell me more. Tell me more! Okay, what else do you want confirmation on? Wikiversity is a few breaths short of dead. The active admins are very few, no bureaucrat seems to be active enough to notice the requests for custodianship/bureaucratship that have been outstanding for months. Jimbo really whacked it hard in March. But it's been weak for a long time, and maybe the Moulton affair earlier sapped some of the spirit of the place. I'm sure it didn't help. Wiki people tend to strongly dislike being bossed around. Most just go away. So, who, specifically, would you suggest might unblock you? My goal would be to get Adambro to do it, if possible. You never know. But I'm not ready to try. Discretion is the better part of valor, eh? Later, maybe. Time wounds all heels. Or is that wheels all hounds? Or something like that?
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QUOTE(Abd @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 9:57pm) Wikiversity is a few breaths short of dead. The active admins are very few, no bureaucrat seems to be active enough to notice the requests for custodianship/bureaucratship that have been outstanding for months. Jimbo really whacked it hard in March. But it's been weak for a long time, and maybe the Moulton affair earlier sapped some of the spirit of the place. I'm sure it didn't help. Wiki people tend to strongly dislike being bossed around. Most just go away. Yes, Jimbo, Cary, JzG, IDCab, et al dealt it a sequence of death blows over the past two years. And yes, people found it easier to migrate away from WMF than to waste their time fighting with Jimbo.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 10:47pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 9:57pm) Wikiversity is a few breaths short of dead. The active admins are very few, no bureaucrat seems to be active enough to notice the requests for custodianship/bureaucratship that have been outstanding for months. Jimbo really whacked it hard in March. But it's been weak for a long time, and maybe the Moulton affair earlier sapped some of the spirit of the place. I'm sure it didn't help. Wiki people tend to strongly dislike being bossed around. Most just go away. Yes, Jimbo, Cary, JzG, IDCab, et al dealt it a sequence of death blows over the past two years. And yes, people found it easier to migrate away from WMF than to waste their time fighting with Jimbo. Just to follow up, I requested crat action at meta and it was quickly done. While a great deal of damage was done, and it will take time to recover, I don't think these were "death blows." Maybe I'm wrong, but ... I see an open path, and I'm taking it, seeing where it leads. And I seem to be finding support in that. The hardest part, now, is the flopping about some of the casualties demanding immediate justice. Not the ones who went away, but those who continue hanging about complaining about how Terrible it all was, but don't seem to be terribly willing to rebuild in the right way.
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QUOTE(Abd @ Mon 5th July 2010, 1:09pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 10:47pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 9:57pm) Wikiversity is a few breaths short of dead. The active admins are very few, no bureaucrat seems to be active enough to notice the requests for custodianship/bureaucratship that have been outstanding for months. Jimbo really whacked it hard in March. But it's been weak for a long time, and maybe the Moulton affair earlier sapped some of the spirit of the place. I'm sure it didn't help. Wiki people tend to strongly dislike being bossed around. Most just go away. Yes, Jimbo, Cary, JzG, IDCab, et al dealt it a sequence of death blows over the past two years. And yes, people found it easier to migrate away from WMF than to waste their time fighting with Jimbo. Just to follow up, I requested crat action at meta and it was quickly done. While a great deal of damage was done, and it will take time to recover, I don't think these were "death blows." Maybe I'm wrong, but ... I see an open path, and I'm taking it, seeing where it leads. And I seem to be finding support in that. The hardest part, now, is the flopping about some of the casualties demanding immediate justice. Not the ones who went away, but those who continue hanging about complaining about how Terrible it all was, but don't seem to be terribly willing to rebuild in the right way. I missed that. What action did you request, of whom, and who executed it? The last thing I saw was Mike.lifeguard giving you the runaround regarding Jimbo's edict to keep Greg's SUL globally locked. Anyway, here we are, two prophets, one predicting a slow agonizing death and another holding out a glimmer of hope to save the dying patient. I dunno what your imagined treatment regime is, but everything I've tried turned out to be iatrogenic. How does that mantra go? "No peace, no justice." Or is it: "If you want peace, work for justice."
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 5th July 2010, 2:07pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Mon 5th July 2010, 1:09pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 10:47pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Wed 2nd June 2010, 9:57pm) Wikiversity is a few breaths short of dead. The active admins are very few, no bureaucrat seems to be active enough to notice the requests for custodianship/bureaucratship that have been outstanding for months. Jimbo really whacked it hard in March. But it's been weak for a long time, and maybe the Moulton affair earlier sapped some of the spirit of the place. I'm sure it didn't help. Wiki people tend to strongly dislike being bossed around. Most just go away. Yes, Jimbo, Cary, JzG, IDCab, et al dealt it a sequence of death blows over the past two years. And yes, people found it easier to migrate away from WMF than to waste their time fighting with Jimbo. Just to follow up, I requested crat action at meta and it was quickly done. While a great deal of damage was done, and it will take time to recover, I don't think these were "death blows." Maybe I'm wrong, but ... I see an open path, and I'm taking it, seeing where it leads. And I seem to be finding support in that. The hardest part, now, is the flopping about some of the casualties demanding immediate justice. Not the ones who went away, but those who continue hanging about complaining about how Terrible it all was, but don't seem to be terribly willing to rebuild in the right way. I missed that. What action did you request, of whom, and who executed it? The last thing I saw was Mike.lifeguard giving you the runaround regarding Jimbo's edict to keep Greg's SUL globally locked. I requested steward action to create a new crat at Wikiversity to break the logjam. And it was immediately granted, and that, Moulton, is how I came to be a probationary admin there, and to be seen as being usefully skillful, which is about what it takes to be an admin at Wikiversity, if I don't blow it by trying to resolve this long term controversy. QUOTE Anyway, here we are, two prophets, one predicting a slow agonizing death and another holding out a glimmer of hope to save the dying patient. No, I'm not a prophet except in one sense, which I won't go into. I'm a physician, rather, trying to save the patient with means at my disposal. What would you suggest for a physician with a seriously ill patient? To make the "slow agonizing death" prediction and to abandon efforts or even hasten the death? Remind me not to ask them to call you if I'm seriously ill.... QUOTE I dunno what your imagined treatment regime is, but everything I've tried turned out to be iatrogenic.
How does that mantra go?
"No peace, no justice."
Or is it: "If you want peace, work for justice."
Of course. To maintain peace, justice must be maintained. But when peace is disturbed and there is no justice, justice becomes impossible until peace is restored. That can sometimes involve addressing certain immediate and ongoing injustices, but if there is no general seeking of peace, even that can be impossible. I already wrote about this at length. Did you read it?
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