Ban Wikipedia! Options Rating

[Theanima]

Sign the petition! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Jenni]

IRC conversation on the petition:

[19:08] <GorillaWarfare> Hahaha oh man, have you guys seen this? http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-wikipedia/
[19:08] <Loki> Ah okay.
[19:09] <Loki> Pilif12p: I only ask because when I made my account back in the day, I don't think any eyes went into it O.o
[19:09] <Pilif12p> oh
[19:09] <PeterSymonds> BarkingFish, well, I doubt that'll be the end result.
[19:09] <Pilif12p> BarkingFish: so, option 1 won?
[19:09] == Dragonfly6-7 [~test@bas1-montreal48-1176342060.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #wikipedia-en
[19:09] <PeterSymonds> Says my secret-pro-PC opinion.
[19:09] <{Soap}> A Nobody is signing a petition to "ban Wikipedia" ?
[19:09] <Dragonfly6-7> [[Stereotypes of groups within the United States]]
[19:09] <Loki> I have low # of edits, but my account has been around since I think 2007 or 2006 Pilif12p
[19:09] <PeterSymonds> Which is not-so-secret now.
[19:09] <Dragonfly6-7> {Soap} - lnk me?
[19:09] <Sky2042> GorillaWarfare: I like the goal number of sigs.
[19:10] * Sky2042 chuckles.
[19:10] <Pilif12p> (having 3 options for keep and 1 for trash is totally unfair)
[19:10] <Sky2042> Obvious fake petition is obvious fake.
[19:10] <GorillaWarfare> Sky2042: My favorite is "it is almost 100% entirely inaccurate"
[19:10] <{Soap}> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-wikipedia/ A Nobody's name is not on there, but his talk page was recently host to something related
[19:10] <BarkingFish> PeterSymonds, you think it'll be manipulated so WMF again gets its own way?
[19:10] <PeterSymonds> I wouldn't put it quite like that.
[19:10] <{Soap}> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...gn_the_Petition
[19:11] <PeterSymonds> It's clear that the majority want PC to continue in some form.
[19:11] <{Soap}> that could just be someone posing as him though now that I think of it
[19:11] <MuZemike> I call bullshit
[19:11] <GorillaWarfare> I saw the petition on another person's talk page
[19:11] <irregardless> well, at least if we reject FR, I'll be proven sort-of right
[19:11] <Pilif12p> i say we just remove it
[19:11] <MuZemike> A Nobody would !vote "keep per the Five Pillars. Follow WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE, yada, yada"
[19:11] <Loki> Pilif12p: Sorry to be nosey, just curious :>
[19:11] <BarkingFish> PeterSymonds, that isn't the point. There are 4 options, and they all need counting individually.
[19:11] <Sky2042> Tony's comment makes me laugh.
[19:12] <{Soap}> the IP traces to Chile
[19:12] <{Soap}> so if it's really A Nobody, he';s on a proxy
[19:12] <Pilif12p> or diego
[19:12] == frozenicce [~deppo@ip-109-91-22-145.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[19:12] <MuZemike> {Soap}: He's evading his ban as I speak.
[19:12] <{Soap}> so it's really him?
[19:12] <{Soap}> ok
[19:12] <{Soap}> odd
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[19:12] <{Soap}> he just used to be a nice guy
[19:13] <MuZemike> No ,but I know IPs that he has recently used.
[19:13] <{Soap}> now he's out there trying to "ban Wikipedia"
[19:13] <{Soap}> whatever that means
[19:13] <Dragonfly6-7> who? A. Nobody?
[19:13] <{Soap}> yeah
[19:13] <Dragonfly6-7> uh
[19:13] <Dragonfly6-7> have you read his comment?
[19:13] <{Soap}> he seems to be the one behind that petition
[19:13] <GorillaWarfare> Oh, that's a banned user? Hmm...
[19:13] <MuZemike> I didn't say that specific IP was his; that's why I call "bullshit" on that one on his talk page you mentioned
[19:13] <{Soap}> ok
[19:13] <Dragonfly6-7> "Too many facts, not enough about video games and Transformers!" - A. Nobody
[19:13] <irregardless> how many years ago was this "nice guy" thing?
[19:13] <Dragonfly6-7> "It ruined my brain!" - Kelly Martin
[19:14] <Dragonfly6-7> "If I can't make money off it, NOBODY can!" - Gregory Kohs
[19:14] <Dragonfly6-7> those are all signatures to the petition
[19:14] <Pilif12p> nobody *does* make money off of it
[19:14] <MuZemike> Of course, Kohs would sign it (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)
[19:14] <Pilif12p> (I bet most are one person)
[19:14] <MuZemike> Is Daniel Brandt on there?
[19:14] <Dragonfly6-7> no
[19:14] <Dragonfly6-7> "Kill Wikipedia! Everyone should come to my site, Bitterzendium!" - Larry Sanger
[19:15] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...s/190.54.43.251 - Block?
[19:15] <sdaugherty> hmm. what drama did I walk in on?
[19:15] <Dragonfly6-7> "It was a terrible mistake. I'm so sorry." - Jimmy Wales.
[19:15] <Qcoder00> Clearly not here to contribute
[19:15] <{Soap}> I dont think 'famous; people are signing
[19:15] <MuZemike> Yeah, that IP is just a run-of-the-mill troll
[19:15] <MuZemike> Jessica Liao?
[19:15] <Qcoder00> is the petition genuine?
[19:15] <{Soap}> oh
[19:16] <{Soap}> I went to look just now
[19:16] <{Soap}> it's all hoax names
[19:16] <MuZemike> How are they going to enforce said petition, anyways?
[19:16] <GorillaWarfare> Haha so, if 1000000 people sign that, Wikipedia has to shut down, right?
[19:16] <{Soap}> or else "Agatha Christie" and "George W Bush" are in favor of banning Wikipedia
[19:16] <{Soap}> and Jimbo
[19:16] == BarkingFish [~OffToHade@wikipedia/BarkingFish] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[19:16] <{Soap}> 11:24, Sep 04, Jimmy Wales, CA
[19:16] <{Soap}> I'm so sorry for everything. Really truly. And Kohser? I love your work. I've just been jealous all this time.
[19:16] <{Soap}> thats cute
[19:17] <Qcoder00> Soap: Isn't creating a hoax petiton questionable?
[19:17] <Sky2042> I don't think it started as a hoax.
[19:17] <Qcoder00> And in some regions harrasment?
[19:17] <Sky2042> Someone turned it into one though!
[19:17] <MuZemike> Dude, they'd be lucky to get 200
[19:17] == Lcawte has changed nick to Lcawte|Away
[19:17] <Qcoder00> BTW All the users approached by the IP troll are blocked users...
[19:18] <{Soap}> yeah

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[19:18] <Qcoder00> Can an admin do some digging as I've got this stink coming up from the drains ....
[19:18] <FT2> It's not exactly serious.
[19:18] <Qcoder00> No, but Wikipedia did get blocked over an ablum cover...
[19:18] <PeterSymonds> Qcoder00 may need to call a plumber.
[19:18] <Qcoder00> Well the Wikipedia equivilant (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
[19:19] <Qcoder00> BTW Don't mention 'plumbers' to me...
[19:19] <Qcoder00> As to this IP , blocked or not?
[19:19] <FT2> Qcoder - I seem to remember it didnt work very well and they didn't try it again
[19:19] <FT2> one of life's small lessons
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[19:20] <FT2> "don't screw round with free speech"
[19:21] <Qcoder00> Re this IP troll asking blocked users to sign a petition... should that IP be blocked?
[19:21] <MuZemike> {{unblock|You've violated by 1st Amendments rights. Please unblock me now or I will sue.}}
[19:21] <Qcoder00> Seriously?
[19:21] <Panyd> aw
[19:21] <MuZemike> He seems to have stopped
[19:22] <Qcoder00> O..K...
[19:22] <Sky2042> MuZemike: lol
[19:23] <Sky2042> He doesn't appear to understand the 1st Amendment then.
[19:23] <Sky2042> Such a pity for such a nice soul.
[19:23] <Qcoder00> The troll may also have used - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...ns/189.3.47.146
[19:23] <Qcoder00> If the history for one of talk pages is anything to go by

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[19:24] <Qcoder00> Block for that IP is that it was a proxy
[19:24] <Qcoder00> Am I right to think possible ban evasion here?
[19:24] <MuZemike> targeted talk pages semi-protected
[19:24] <staffwaterboy> yes
[19:24] <staffwaterboy> can you please post link wwere he said that
[19:25] <staffwaterboy> with the unblock
[19:25] <Qcoder00> MuZemike I think was having a joke about a typical troll behaviour
[19:26] <Qcoder00> If genuine , than that unblock request's onyl going to harden attitudes
[19:26] <MuZemike> Speaking of that, I haven't seen the "Wikipedia Freedom Fighters" in a while.
[19:27] <Qcoder00> What does the petition actually say anyway?
[19:27] <staffwaterboy> Muzemike who said that with the unblock template
[19:27] <MuZemike> Many
[19:27] <Qcoder00> MuZemike: staffwaterboy is aksing if your earlier unblock comment rleated to the recent IP troll
[19:27] <Qcoder00> or was just a general observation on trolls
[19:27] <MuZemike> No, that was just an example unblock request.
[19:28] <Qcoder00> OK
[19:28] <staffwaterboy> o
[19:28] <Qcoder00> Thanks (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
[19:28] <MuZemike> i.e. NOT RELATED to any specific one
[19:28] <Qcoder00> BTW On something completly different...
[19:28] <Qcoder00> Never make a request on a tlak page that you think is impossible .......
[19:28] <Qcoder00> *talk
[19:29] <MuZemike> But they normally won't know better
[19:29] <Qcoder00> I noted on Wikisource that someone ought to try and get the Doomesday Survey on Wikisource ....
[19:29] <Qcoder00> .. Apparently someone took the suggestion seriously XD
[19:29] <staffwaterboy> i thnik that was a bad choice
[19:29] <staffwaterboy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=382784688
[19:30] <staffwaterboy> for that user to remove his edit
[19:30] <MuZemike> Argh, that idiot
[19:30] <staffwaterboy> Yes its untasteful but its the persons userpage
[19:30] <MuZemike> I knew I should've indef-blocked him and be done with it.
[19:30] * MuZemike headdesks
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[19:31] <staffwaterboy> Who's going to deny is unlock request
[19:31] <staffwaterboy> (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
[19:31] <{Soap}> hersfold agreed with Wunsch
[19:31] <staffwaterboy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jus...talk:Justa_Punk
[19:31] <MuZemike> Not me; I'm kind of involved
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[19:32] <Qcoder00> Besides banning Wikipedia won't work...
[19:32] <staffwaterboy> Yes he cant redirect his talk page but the content on his userpage was dis tasteful but ok i guess
[19:32] <MuZemike> He's getting rid of the sock tags.
[19:32] <Qcoder00> .. .. If someone tried to ban Wikipedia, it would just fork and re-start under a new name...
[19:32] <{Soap}> he wasnt blocked merely for hus userpage
[19:32] <staffwaterboy> oh ok
[19:33] <MuZemike> He used about 10 or so confirmed socks, which was why I blocked him for 1 month.
[19:33] <MuZemike> This reminds me of [[User:Wolfkeeper]]
[19:33] <{Soap}> Wolfkeeper was socking?
[19:33] <{Soap}> gah
[19:33] <MuZemike> yes
[19:33] <{Soap}> that will kill his reputation
[19:33] <Qcoder00> MuZemike: Re this petition guy?
[19:33] <{Soap}> he's always been a somewhat onerous, but yet respectable, editor
[19:33] <staffwaterboy> only sysops can deny unblocks correct
[19:33] <Qcoder00> Is the petition troll worth mentinong on WP:ANI?
[19:34] <MuZemike> No
[19:34] <staffwaterboy> Yes
[19:34] <Qcoder00> On the grounds they are making quasi threats?
[19:34] <{Soap}> lol @ "no ... yes" ambiguity
[19:34] <Qcoder00> Never attempt to get a consensus on IRC
[19:34] <MuZemike> ANI is not the Public Forum, and no admin action is needed.
[19:35] <{Soap}> so neither of you was answering staffwaterboy's question?
[19:35] <MuZemike> staffwaterboy: be reminded that you are very close to having your rollback privs revoked; your balls this *this close* to the bandsaw.
[19:35] <{Soap}> well the answer is, technically only sysops can deny unblock requests, but we IAR when it's really really obvious that the unblock wont be granted
[19:36] <staffwaterboy> X_X don't remind me
[19:36] <{Soap}> I denied a few unblocks before my RfA
[19:36] <staffwaterboy> Muzemike
[19:36] <{Soap}> yet I also heavily criticized another user for doing it
[19:36] <staffwaterboy> ^exactky
[19:36] <{Soap}> the difference was that I only went after unblock requests that were entirely vandalism and/or attacks with no legitimate expectation of being unblocked
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[19:37] <MuZemike> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=381057365
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[19:37] <MuZemike> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=381073435
[19:37] <MuZemike> "Them's the rulez. Now if you excuse me, I will invoke IAR"
[19:37] <sdaugherty> Generally speaking, the only actions that require one be an administrator are those actions that require the bit to be performed. Everything else can be done by a knowledgeable and uninvolved user.
[19:37] <staffwaterboy> looks at petition
[19:37] <staffwaterboy> Lame

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

[19:10] <GorillaWarfare> Sky2042: My favorite is "it is almost 100% entirely inaccurate"

They were right to ridicule that bit .. it reads as if it were written by a 14 year old.

Nice sentiments folks, and much of what you say it right, but have a second thought about it.

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