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try not to vomit. QUOTE "Joseph Reagle's account of what makes Wikipedia tick debunks the vision of a shining Alexandria gliding towards free and perfect knowledge and replaces it with something far more awe-inspiring: a humane, and human, enterprise that with each fitful back-and-forth elicits the best from those it draws in. In an era of polemic and cheap shots that some attribute largely to the Internet's influence, he shows how even those of wildly varying backgrounds who disagree intensely can see themselves as embarked on a common, ennobling mission grounded in respect and reason." —Jonathan Zittrain, Professor of Law, Harvard Law School and Kennedy School, Professor of Computer Science, Harvard School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, and author of The Future of the Internet — And How to Stop It QUOTE "Good Faith Collaboration sheds some much needed light on one of the most influential resources available today. Joseph Reagle accurately captures the internal collaborative climate of 'good faith' in Wikipedia, and provides an excellent history of its progenitors like Nupedia." —Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia QUOTE "Wikipedia deserves to have its story intelligently told, and Joseph Reagle has done exactly that. Good Faith Collaboration is smart, accessible, and astutely observed. I highly recommend this book to anyone who wants to better understand how Wikipedia works, and why it matters." —Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 24th September 2010, 2:41pm) Too late. Very hard when it gets between the keys. QUOTE A charming example of wiki practice is the awarding of a “barnstar,†an image placed on another’s user page to recognize merit. “These awards are part of the Kindness Campaign and are meant to promote civility and WikiLove. They are a form of warm fuzzy: they are free to give and they bring joy to the recipient. â€33Wikipedia, “Wikipedia:Barnstars,†Wikipedia, August 2009, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=307406807 (visited on August 20, 2009). There are different stars for dozens of virtues, including random acts of kindness, diligence, anti-vandalism, good humor, resilience, brilliance, and teamwork. As in any other community, at Wikipedia there is also a history of events, set of norms, constellation of values, and common lingo. Also, not surprisingly, there is a particular sensibility, including a love of knowledge and a geeky sense of humor. I'm getting the bucket from downstairs. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif) Readers of this forum may wish to comment here http://reagle.org/joseph/blog/social/wikip...h-collaborationThis post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 26th September 2010, 3:09am) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 25th September 2010, 12:08pm) Indeed: QUOTE Posted by Gregory Kohs at Sat Sep 25 22:06:54 2010 I read some of the freely-available first chapter, and I immediately recognized that most of its message did not conform at all with my interpretation of the culture that pervades Wikipedia and its management organization. I would not buy this book, but I would read the rest of it if someone gave it to me for free. I clicked on your name there and it led to this http://www.wikipediareview.com/Top_10_Reasons_No...te_to_WikipediaVery crafty! That article has come a long way since I read it last year - good work! I recommend it to everyone here. QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 26th September 2010, 7:46am) QUOTE(Ottava @ Sat 25th September 2010, 2:14pm) Unless the book mentions me, it isn't worth reading about. It may sound odd, but I actually have to agree with this. Agree also, probably for the same reason.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 26th September 2010, 12:59am) QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 26th September 2010, 3:09am) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 25th September 2010, 12:08pm) Indeed: QUOTE Posted by Gregory Kohs at Sat Sep 25 22:06:54 2010 I read some of the freely-available first chapter, and I immediately recognized that most of its message did not conform at all with my interpretation of the culture that pervades Wikipedia and its management organization. I would not buy this book, but I would read the rest of it if someone gave it to me for free. I clicked on your name there and it led to this http://www.wikipediareview.com/Top_10_Reasons_No...te_to_WikipediaVery crafty! That article has come a long way since I read it last year - good work! I recommend it to everyone here. QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 26th September 2010, 7:46am) QUOTE(Ottava @ Sat 25th September 2010, 2:14pm) Unless the book mentions me, it isn't worth reading about. It may sound odd, but I actually have to agree with this. Agree also, probably for the same reason. What would Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas have been without Raoul Duke, after all?
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QUOTE(Zoloft @ Sun 26th September 2010, 9:06am) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 26th September 2010, 12:59am) QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 26th September 2010, 7:46am) QUOTE(Ottava @ Sat 25th September 2010, 2:14pm) Unless the book mentions me, it isn't worth reading about. It may sound odd, but I actually have to agree with this. Agree also, probably for the same reason. What would Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas have been without Raoul Duke, after all? Duke was an alter ego, no? I was thinking more of a real character who is an embarrassment to the party and who is excluded from official histories, and airbrushed from pictures. Trotsky, e.g. In medieval times, Abelard. Or Ockham, even. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 26th September 2010, 3:44am) Duke was an alter ego, no? I was thinking more of a real character who is an embarrassment to the party and who is excluded from official histories, and airbrushed from pictures. Trotsky, e.g. ... In medieval times, Abelard. Or Ockham, even. Exactly! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I mean, let's be completely clear about this, for the benefit of readers who are less cognizant of WP's internal politics/personalities and such than we are: If the point of this book is (as it appears to be) to praise WP for the way it manages to keep everything "civil" in ways other sites supposedly can't, then of course the book isn't going to mention you (i.e., Peter D), or User:Ottava rima, or User:Malleus Fatuorum, or User:Giano - or any of several dozen extremely talented writers, researchers, and editors (relatively speaking, at least) who have been threatened with bannage, if not actually banned/blocked, because they refused to play the Wikipedia Civility Game and felt compelled to speak out against bad policies, admin abuses, and other things they felt were wrong (irrespective of whether or not those things actually were wrong). Or, at least to play that game to the extent necessary to keep up with, shall we say, some of the people who most likely are mentioned in the book. The four people I mentioned above are among those who haven't completely denounced WP and/or disengaged from it, AFAIK. If we include the people who have, that could get to be a fairly long list. Unfortunately I'd have to order a copy of the book and read it to be certain as to who/what is or isn't mentioned, so I should probably stop there.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 26th September 2010, 6:35am) QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 26th September 2010, 3:44am) Duke was an alter ego, no? I was thinking more of a real character who is an embarrassment to the party and who is excluded from official histories, and airbrushed from pictures. Trotsky, e.g. ... In medieval times, Abelard. Or Ockham, even. Exactly! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I mean, let's be completely clear about this, for the benefit of readers who are less cognizant of WP's internal politics/personalities and such than we are: If the point of this book is (as it appears to be) to praise WP for the way it manages to keep everything "civil" in ways other sites supposedly can't, then of course the book isn't going to mention you (i.e., Peter D), or User:Ottava rima, or User:Malleus Fatuorum, or User:Giano - or any of several dozen extremely talented writers, researchers, and editors (relatively speaking, at least) who have been threatened with bannage, if not actually banned/blocked, because they refused to play the Wikipedia Civility Game and felt compelled to speak out against bad policies, admin abuses, and other things they felt were wrong (irrespective of whether or not those things actually were wrong). Or, at least to play that game to the extent necessary to keep up with, shall we say, some of the people who most likely are mentioned in the book. The four people I mentioned above are among those who haven't completely denounced WP and/or disengaged from it, AFAIK. If we include the people who have, that could get to be a fairly long list. Unfortunately I'd have to order a copy of the book and read it to be certain as to who/what is or isn't mentioned, so I should probably stop there. A book about Malleus, Giano, and myself would have a plot that looks something akin to the Godfather movie. This post has been edited by Ottava:
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