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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Tue 17th January 2012, 10:40am) And now "wikiality" comes full circle. Best comment: QUOTE Keep If it is not notable then why bother doing it - surely the whole point of it is to make an impact. Vrenator talk 09:48, 17 January 2012 (UTC) Oh, that's hilarious - newsworthy in itself. Maybe I should write an article about the media storm that will occur when they discuss the irony of that article - then someone can AFD that, and the circle will be complete My protest statement: QUOTE Protesting the death of an encyclopedia.
The blackout of the English Wikipedia destroys for ever the concept of its political and geographical neutrality. It means rather than an open group of international contributors, uniting solely round their commitment to writing an encyclopedia, with nothing else implied, Wikipedia is now associated with a particular political position in a particular nation. While many, or most, Wikipedians may happen to hold this political position in common, it ought to have been irrelevant to editing here. Now it is not, a precedent has been set, and something important has died.
Some will say, "but SOPA is so important, and it affects us, so we must do something". But here is my problem. Do I agree with opposing SOPA? Or, do I have a different opinion that makes me wish to disassociate myself from the action that is being taken in the name of the community? Either way, my opinion on a political issue is now pertinent to my association with this community. You asked me a question that ought to have been irrelevant to editing here. That is new. That is wrong. Wikipedians came here united around five pillars - and five pillars only. I was not asked, and do not wish, to negotiate a sixth. Yes I know that, even were I to vocally support SOPA, I would still be welcome here. But that I am even asked the question changes everything. For the first time, Jimbo Wales has asked, and the community has agreed, that we no longer leave our own ideologies at the door.
In protest at this action, and mourning the day that the five pillars ceased to be the sole ideology of Wikipedia, I will not be contributing.
See also, "Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point". Yes, even a point you think is righteous.
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 17th January 2012, 6:11am) My protest statement: QUOTE Protesting the death of an encyclopedia.
The blackout of the English Wikipedia destroys for ever (sic) the concept of its political and geographical neutrality. It means rather than an open group of international contributors... (blah, blah)...
In protest at this action, and mourning the day that the five pillars ceased to be the sole ideology of Wikipedia, I will not be contributing.
So far, I'm counting nine (9) contributions since your announcement that you would not be contributing. QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Thu 19th January 2012, 11:46pm) I did sign the petition, as I agree that large corporations and certain congresspeople are trying to sabotage our rights online with nasty laws like PIPA and SOPA.
Your right to download free Hollywood movies from Kazakhstani web servers must not be abridged!
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:26am) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Thu 19th January 2012, 11:46pm) I did sign the petition, as I agree that large corporations and certain congresspeople are trying to sabotage our rights online with nasty laws like PIPA and SOPA.
Your right to download free Hollywood movies from Kazakhstani web servers must not be abridged! Hey, nothing wrong with that (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Copying is not theft. It seems that the United States Government simply will not tolerate free Hollywood movies on servers in its country, so that rules out (at least legally) using US servers. Thankfully, if what you're saying is true about Kazakh servers, the Kazakh government isn't as mean (at least in that regard) as the US.
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QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:43pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:26am) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Thu 19th January 2012, 11:46pm) I did sign the petition, as I agree that large corporations and certain congresspeople are trying to sabotage our rights online with nasty laws like PIPA and SOPA.
Your right to download free Hollywood movies from Kazakhstani web servers must not be abridged! Hey, nothing wrong with that (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Copying is not theft. It seems that the United States Government simply will not tolerate free Hollywood movies on servers in its country, so that rules out (at least legally) using US servers. Thankfully, if what you're saying is true about Kazakh servers, the Kazakh government isn't as mean (at least in that regard) as the US. The reason something like SOPA is needed is because of little shits like you.
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Fri 20th January 2012, 7:01pm) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:43pm) Hey, nothing wrong with that (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Copying is not theft. The reason something like SOPA is needed is because of little shits like you. Leave it to SBJ to make it personal. He's more like Ottava than he'd like to admit. Copyright violation is not "theft." That's a trope promoted by involved interests and people who want to amplify their arguments with some hyperbole. Copyright violation is copyright violation, a creature of law. Theft is a common-law violation. Copyright violation is, under common law, at worst, a tort. This post has been edited by Abd:
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QUOTE(Abd @ Fri 20th January 2012, 4:46pm) QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Fri 20th January 2012, 7:01pm) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:43pm) Hey, nothing wrong with that (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Copying is not theft. The reason something like SOPA is needed is because of little shits like you. Leave it to SBJ to make it personal. He's more like Ottava than he'd like to admit. Copyright violation is not "theft." That's a trope promoted by involved interests and people who want to amplify their arguments with some hyperbole. Copyright violation is copyright violation, a creature of law. Theft is a common-law violation. Copyright violation is, under common law, at worst, a tort. Indeed. Likewise, "intellectual property" is a legal device (perhaps "fiction" would be applicable as well), subject to variance in definition. Creative material's classification as "property" is an abstract social construct and is often used as a legal weapon against sharing. I don't know what I did to piss off SB Johnny, but I can assure him that I didn't download any free Hollywood movies (from Kazakh servers or otherwise). They are likely to be of shitty quality, and probably not worth watching in the first place. Even so, punishing people for downloading them freely, as if it were Soviet samizdat in Stalinist Russia, is incredibly authoritarian IMHO. This post has been edited by Wikicrusher2:
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QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 8:14pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Fri 20th January 2012, 4:46pm) QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Fri 20th January 2012, 7:01pm) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:43pm) Hey, nothing wrong with that (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Copying is not theft. The reason something like SOPA is needed is because of little shits like you. Leave it to SBJ to make it personal. He's more like Ottava than he'd like to admit. Copyright violation is not "theft." That's a trope promoted by involved interests and people who want to amplify their arguments with some hyperbole. Copyright violation is copyright violation, a creature of law. Theft is a common-law violation. Copyright violation is, under common law, at worst, a tort. Indeed. Likewise, "intellectual property" is a legal device (perhaps "fiction" would be applicable as well), subject to variance in definition. Creative material's classification as "property" is an abstract social construct and is often used as a legal weapon against sharing. I don't know what I did to piss off SB Johnny, but I can assure him that I didn't download any free Hollywood movies (from Kazakh servers or otherwise). They are likely to be of shitty quality, and probably not worth watching in the first place. Even so, punishing people for downloading them freely, as if it were Soviet samizdat in Stalinist Russia, is incredibly authoritarian IMHO. You didn't piss me off, it's just that you're just a perfect example of the problem (because if people like you didn't think pirating music or films was a fine and dandy thing, there would presumably be no need for a law to encourage you to cut it out). Patents and copyrights aren't evil, even if they are social constructs. Lots of social constructs aren't evil..
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Sat 21st January 2012, 1:28am) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 8:14pm) QUOTE(Abd @ Fri 20th January 2012, 4:46pm) QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Fri 20th January 2012, 7:01pm) QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Fri 20th January 2012, 6:43pm) Hey, nothing wrong with that (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Copying is not theft. The reason something like SOPA is needed is because of little shits like you. Leave it to SBJ to make it personal. He's more like Ottava than he'd like to admit. Copyright violation is not "theft." That's a trope promoted by involved interests and people who want to amplify their arguments with some hyperbole. Copyright violation is copyright violation, a creature of law. Theft is a common-law violation. Copyright violation is, under common law, at worst, a tort. Indeed. Likewise, "intellectual property" is a legal device (perhaps "fiction" would be applicable as well), subject to variance in definition. Creative material's classification as "property" is an abstract social construct and is often used as a legal weapon against sharing. I don't know what I did to piss off SB Johnny, but I can assure him that I didn't download any free Hollywood movies (from Kazakh servers or otherwise). They are likely to be of shitty quality, and probably not worth watching in the first place. Even so, punishing people for downloading them freely, as if it were Soviet samizdat in Stalinist Russia, is incredibly authoritarian IMHO. You didn't piss me off, it's just that you're just a perfect example of the problem (because if people like you didn't think pirating music or films was a fine and dandy thing, there would presumably be no need for a law to encourage you to cut it out). Patents and copyrights aren't evil, even if they are social constructs. Lots of social constructs aren't evil.. Copyright as originally envisioned was a way to provide a temporary haven for the author to make money in exchange for the 'property' passing into the commons. Modifications to the copyright laws on behalf of the big publishing companies now make this 'property' ownership virtually indefinite. Author's life + 70 years. Patents are particularly flawed in their current incarnation. They were designed around the same idea as copyrights but have turned into a mechanism to allow trivial ideas to acts as vehicles of extortion. Both need to be revamped or utterly scrapped. SBJ, your arguments are crap.
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Sat 21st January 2012, 2:01am) Copyright as originally envisioned was a way to provide a temporary haven for the author to make money in exchange for the 'property' passing into the commons.
Who first envisioned this copyright, and where did s/he write about how s/he envisioned it? "I do not know, nor can I comprehend any property more emphatically a man's own, nay, more incapable of being mistaken, than his literary works." - Justice Aston, Millar v. Taylor, 1767 I think you're relying on a revisionist history here. The debate over whether or not copyright is a property right / natural right / common law right, is at least as old as the Statute of Anne itself. This post has been edited by anthony:
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