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QUOTE(Selina @ Sun 29th January 2012, 6:48pm) Nothing wrong with bondage between consenting adults though. But putting pictures up of naked little boys is the glorification of paedophilia and children cannot CONSENT to having photographs taken of them like that... It's an old photo but that doesn't mean it's still not abuse that some creep got that child to hold up that fish and say "make the fish suck on it"... I think a lot of the reason there isn't a backlash to is actually because it's a male child and the users are mostly male, it's less shocking to them - but if he was parading around a picture of a naked little girl instead I bet there wouldn't be such apparent apathy I'm not sure the background you are giving to that image is altogether correct. I also don't think the lad is as young as his face would imply. His well-hung anatomy and scrotum size would point to him being 15 or 16 give or take. And in those days, and at that age he would have been no innocent. In any case it's a nice picture that I see as non-sexual in tone. No more so than a Titan nude anyway, QUOTE(Vigilant @ Sun 29th January 2012, 7:02pm) Ultimately, it's about the lulz... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) I save them for Ottava and Kohs.
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QUOTE(Selina @ Sun 29th January 2012, 7:15pm) QUOTE(Cunningly Linguistic @ Sun 29th January 2012, 7:12pm) in those days, and at that age he would have been no innocent. oh god please can we not go there, this is the whole paedophilia/"pederasty"/"young boy lover" thing all over again. ickickick. I have no interest in boy-loving being straight as I am. And when I said innocent, I didn't mean it in the way you suggest. But pretty much any kid image can get a paedo off. Many get their kicks from kid's swimsuit pics in catalogues. I'm still not convinced that images of this type were taken by, and for, paedos. Not everyone sees naked bodies as a sexual thing. You seem to be projecting fears that have been stirred up my the media over the last few decades. In some people it's a knee-jerk reaction. And yes I agree, the thought of a paedo jacking off to this is very much an ick-ick thing. That, however, does not make the image itself an ick thing. This post has been edited by Cunningly Linguistic:
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QUOTE(carbuncle @ Sun 29th January 2012, 1:49pm) Van Haeften put the image on their WP user page. They were making a point. They knew that some people would be offended by that particular image of a nude adolescent (more so than, say, an older nude male). I believe they were saying "I can do this. You don't like it. You can't stop me from doing it. Nyah nyah". This Van Haeften feller is unusually narcissistic, even for Wikipedia. I realize that it's always been standard procedure on WP to blame others and try to distract people from the fundamental issue when caught red-handed doing something that's clearly against the rules, not to mention being against common sense or even common decency. But at this point, he should really resign his admin rights at least "temporarily" pending another RFA - and given that it's WP, I also don't think it's a given that he would lose in a new RFA. He'd get a lot of opposers, sure, but he's also get a bunch of supporters from the "we should be allowed to do whatever we want, no questions asked" contingent. As for homophobia on WR, I thought *I* was the homophobic one on WR...? Did someone replace me? I know I've been a lot less active here lately, but c'mon, can't I get just a little love here, people?
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 29th January 2012, 10:44pm) QUOTE(carbuncle @ Sun 29th January 2012, 1:49pm) Van Haeften put the image on their WP user page. They were making a point. They knew that some people would be offended by that particular image of a nude adolescent (more so than, say, an older nude male). I believe they were saying "I can do this. You don't like it. You can't stop me from doing it. Nyah nyah". This Van Haeften feller is unusually narcissistic, even for Wikipedia. I realize that it's always been standard procedure on WP to blame others and try to distract people from the fundamental issue when caught red-handed doing something that's clearly against the rules, not to mention being against common sense or even common decency. But at this point, he should really resign his admin rights at least "temporarily" pending another RFA - and given that it's WP, I also don't think it's a given that he would lose in a new RFA. He'd get a lot of opposers, sure, but he's also get a bunch of supporters from the "we should be allowed to do whatever we want, no questions asked" contingent. As for homophobia on WR, I thought *I* was the homophobic one on WR...? Did someone replace me? I know I've been a lot less active here lately, but c'mon, can't I get just a little love here, people? Am I the only one who's starting to feel a little bit uncomfortable about the intensity of focus on Ashley Van Haeften. The world of Wikipedia and by extension Wikipedia Review does rather have a tendency to over dramatize poor judgement into high crimes and misdemeanours.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Sun 29th January 2012, 11:13pm) Am I the only one who's starting to feel a little bit uncomfortable about the intensity of focus on Ashley Van Haeften.
The world of Wikipedia and by extension Wikipedia Review does rather have a tendency to over dramatize poor judgement into high crimes and misdemeanours.
The problem is that Fae is not responding in a honest way. He is trying to hide, has made disingenuous claims of harrassment, and is allowing, and perhaps encouraging, WMUK officials and gay and other activists on Wikipedia to use ad hominem attacks against his accusers. It shows a pattern of behavior that should not be tolerated in the administration of a Internet project which purports to be a serious, sober, educational endeavor. In fact, it's a comedy of errors. WR participants and others make it known that we won't be put off by these kind of tactics. Fae needs to start acting like an adult. Resign his adminship and his position in WMUK. Stand for another RfA. Clearly explain why he was using the Ash and Fae accounts at the same time in violation of clean start procedures, why he made sketchy edits to BLPs, why he had a inappropriate photo on his userpage, why he may have violated copyright with the image of the nude beach, why his photos disappeared from Commons out of procedure, and why he hasn't been forthright and honest in his reaction to the discovery of the cover up of all of this. This post has been edited by Cla68:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Sun 29th January 2012, 11:18pm) QUOTE(RMHED @ Sun 29th January 2012, 11:13pm) Am I the only one who's starting to feel a little bit uncomfortable about the intensity of focus on Ashley Van Haeften.
The world of Wikipedia and by extension Wikipedia Review does rather have a tendency to over dramatize poor judgement into high crimes and misdemeanours.
The problem is that Fae is not responding in a honest way. He is trying to hide, has made disingenuous claims of harrassment, and is allowing, and perhaps encouraging, WMUK officials and gay and other activists on Wikipedia to use ad hominem attacks against his accusers. It shows a pattern of behavior that should not be tolerated in the administration of a Internet project which purports to be a serious, sober, educational endeavor. In fact, it's a comedy of errors. WR participants and others make it known that we won't be put off by these kind of tactics. I understand all that, but compared to really important stuff like politics and finance the 'scandals' of Wikipedia are incredibly lame. Who in the 'real world' really cares, aside from a few obsessives on Wikipedia and WR? QUOTE(Cla68 @ Sun 29th January 2012, 11:18pm) Fae needs to start acting like an adult. Resign his adminship and his position in WMUK. Stand for another RfA. Clearly explain why he was using the Ash and Fae accounts at the same time in violation of clean start procedures, why he made sketchy edits to BLPs, why he had a inappropriate photo on his userpage, why he may have violated copyright with the image of the nude beach, why his photos disappeared from Commons out of procedure, and why he hasn't been forthright and honest in his reaction to the discovery of the cover up of all of this.
I guess Van Haeften models his behaviour on Jimmy. Go after the organ grinder, nobody cares about the monkeys.
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