QUOTE(Emperor @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 10:12pm)
QUOTE(radek @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 10:02pm)
QUOTE(Selina @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 8:58pm)
I don't understand how that is relevant to anything.
If I chose to name my account, "David Duke", would it mean anything to you?
If you had been using the name David Duke longer than "David Zulu Duke", you'd be pissed off. I've been using the name Malik Shabazz in various online forums since the early 1990s.
QUOTE(Selina @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 10:18pm)
Malik why do you use the name Malcom X chose when he joined
the racist Nation of Islam organisation,
which he later denounced, and was
murdered by, then?
First, Malik Shabazz isn't the name Malcolm X (spelling counts!) chose when he joined the Nation of Islam.
Second, I was under the impression until I read Manning Marable's 2011 biography,
Malcolm X: A Life of Reinvention, that Malcolm X adopted the name Malik Shabazz after he left the Nation of Islam and made his pilgrimage to Mecca. Marable says the name Malcolm Shabazz or Malik Shabazz was adopted during the 1950s.
Finally, do you really think you have to lecture me about Malcolm X? I wrote the Wikipedia (featured) article about him.
QUOTE(Selina @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 10:43pm)
They murdered him only two days later.
Two days after what?
He left the Nation of Islam on March 8, 1964, and was assassinated on February 21, 1965. By my count, that's 11, almost 12 months.
QUOTE(Malik Shabazz @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 1:19am)
QUOTE(Selina @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 10:43pm)
They murdered him only two days later.
Two days after what?
He left the Nation of Islam on March 8, 1964, and was assassinated on February 21, 1965. By my count, that's 11, almost 12 months.
Sorry, now I see what you mean. Two days after his last conversation with Gordon Parks.
QUOTE(Selina @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 11:05pm)
Read the whole
post instead of just skimming it then especially the bottom quote :| Unless you're missing the point entirely in which case I just give up (IMG:
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Selina, I'm afraid you have me confused with somebody else. I'm not a member of the Nation of Islam, nor am I sympathetic toward them -- I just think they deserve the benefit of Wikipedia rules like WP:V and WP:NPOV.
If a source says the Nation of Islam is a Black separatist movement, it can't be used to support a statement in the article that the NoI is a Black
supremacist movement. Not because of what I think or you think, but because the source says A and the article says B. We can't wave our hands and say "racism is racism is racism" and pretend all the sources support all the evil things editors want to attribute to the Nation of Islam. If you want to say the NoI is a Black supremacist movement, you need sources that say it's a Black supremacist movement. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
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