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I'll admit that I've been editing WP more lately, but I'm hesitant to even try to make major contributions anymore. It amazes me and saddens me that a project like WP which in its infancy held so many promises, but those promises have since been dashed by entrenched and egotistical individuals and a community more obsessed with maintaining a corrupted status quo all to keep those egotistical few happy at the expense of truly good faith contributors and the product of an exemplary reference/encyclopedia. The fact that academics at my grad school see WP as a great and wondrous thing leaves me feeling that many do not look past the positives of Web 2.0 and see the negatives. There are blogs, wikis, podcasts, whatever that are done by competent individuals and communities well-versed in their respected subjects or at least are willing to research and learn about their subject. Even when such individuals and groups come to WP, their efforts can be smashed by one of the aforementioned individuals or their posse. I'm beginning to see WP as more of the US Wild West. The law is sporadic, lawman can be bandits, gangs roam unchecked unless cheesing off the wrong people (i.e. the elite), and its not whether you're right but who you know and what power you possess socially or physically (block powers). I could also see WP as something of feudal Medieval Europe where Jimbo acts like Henry II and his loyal nobles willing to deal harshly with his enemies (i.e Thomas a Beckett). I'm willing to admit there are a few Pat Garretts and Galahads on WP with merit and good morals (not just dealing blindly with policy), but these few can do little to change the poisonous mentality maintained by the current Community and status quo. QUOTE(Mark Twain @ Letters from the Earth) We are strangely made. We think we are wonderful creatures. Part of the time we think that, at any rate. And during that interval we consider with pride our mental equipment, with its penetration, its power of analysis, its ability to reason out clear conclusions from confused facts, and all the lordly rest of it; and then comes a rational interval and disenchants us. Disenchants us and lays us bare to ourselves, and we see that intellectually we are no great things; that we seldom really know the things we think we know; that our best-built certainties are but sand-houses and subject to damage from any wind of doubt that blows.
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Tue 25th September 2007, 3:03pm) I'll admit that I've been editing WP more lately, but I'm hesitant to even try to make major contributions anymore. It amazes me and saddens me that a project like WP which in its infancy held so many promises, but those promises have since been dashed by entrenched and egotistical individuals and a community more obsessed with maintaining a corrupted status quo all to keep those egotistical few happy at the expense of truly good faith contributors and the product of an exemplary reference/encyclopedia. The fact that academics at my grad school see WP as a great and wondrous thing leaves me feeling that many do not look past the positives of Web 2.0 and see the negatives. There are blogs, wikis, podcasts, whatever that are done by competent individuals and communities well-versed in their respected subjects or at least are willing to research and learn about their subject. Even when such individuals and groups come to WP, their efforts can be smashed by one of the aforementioned individuals or their posse. I'm beginning to see WP as more of the US Wild West. The law is sporadic, lawman can be bandits, gangs roam unchecked unless cheesing off the wrong people (i.e. the elite), and its not whether you're right but who you know and what power you possess socially or physically (block powers). I could also see WP as something of feudal Medieval Europe where Jimbo acts like Henry II and his loyal nobles willing to deal harshly with his enemies (i.e Thomas a Beckett). I'm willing to admit there are a few Pat Garretts and Galahads on WP with merit and good morals (not just dealing blindly with policy), but these few can do little to change the poisonous mentality maintained by the current Community and status quo. QUOTE(Mark Twain @ Letters from the Earth) We are strangely made. We think we are wonderful creatures. Part of the time we think that, at any rate. And during that interval we consider with pride our mental equipment, with its penetration, its power of analysis, its ability to reason out clear conclusions from confused facts, and all the lordly rest of it; and then comes a rational interval and disenchants us. Disenchants us and lays us bare to ourselves, and we see that intellectually we are no great things; that we seldom really know the things we think we know; that our best-built certainties are but sand-houses and subject to damage from any wind of doubt that blows.
Wild west and Al Capone all mixed in with Lord of the flies. Very scary and very creepy. After all, who has all the time in the world to do something for nothing? Teens and underemployed people that sit and fight with each other over who is the more powerful administrator. Without a hint of wisdom sometimes, the cabals and gangs shoot it out until someone gets banned or blocked. A video game that changes the truth and the rules every few seconds.
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QUOTE(WhispersOfWisdom @ Tue 25th September 2007, 11:11pm) Wild west and Al Capone all mixed in with Lord of the Flies. Very scary and very creepy. After all, who has all the time in the world to do something for nothing? Teens and underemployed people that sit and fight with each other over who is the more powerful administrator. Without a hint of wisdom sometimes, the cabals and gangs shoot it out until someone gets banned or blocked. A video game that changes the truth and the rules every few seconds.
I know many people who did have time, a little or a lot, people who would have made more time for a project that looked, once upon a time, like a worthwhile effort to build a global learning community. That would have been, that should have been a place where people who had done the work to get real knowledge about given subjects, who were seeking no more compensation than the joy of sharing what they had learned, could have made that knowledge available to any and all who were seeking it. But between these two sorts of people, sorts than naturally shift from subject to subject, there came another sort of people. This third group neither had the knowledge nor desired it — they would have nothing but the power to control the source, control the flow, and control the target of each bit of information. And if they could not achieve total control over a given piece of the sum? Well, then, they could think of nothing better than blocking the transfer of information altogether. That third group of people wasted the time that the first group had to give to sharing their knowledge, wasted the time that the second group had to spend looking for knowledge, and they left behind nothing but block after block to inquiry in their wake, and finally destroyed the project known as Wikipedia altogether. Jon Awbrey This post has been edited by Jonny Cache:
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 25th September 2007, 11:58pm) QUOTE(WhispersOfWisdom @ Tue 25th September 2007, 11:11pm) Wild west and Al Capone all mixed in with Lord of the Flies. Very scary and very creepy. After all, who has all the time in the world to do something for nothing? Teens and underemployed people that sit and fight with each other over who is the more powerful administrator. Without a hint of wisdom sometimes, the cabals and gangs shoot it out until someone gets banned or blocked. A video game that changes the truth and the rules every few seconds.
I know many people who did have time, a little or a lot, people who would have made more time for a project that looked, once upon a time, like a worthwhile effort to build a global learning community. That would have been, that should have been a place where people who had done the work to get real knowledge about given subjects, who were seeking no more compensation than the joy of sharing what they had learned, could have made that knowledge available to any and all who were seeking it. But between these two sorts of people, sorts than naturally shift from subject to subject, there came another sort of people. This third group neither had the knowledge nor desired it — they would have nothing but the power to control the source, control the flow, and control the target of each bit of information. And if they could not achieve total control over a given piece of the sum? Well, then, they could think of nothing better than blocking the transfer of information altogether. That third group of people wasted the time that the first group had to give to sharing their knowledge, wasted the time that the second group had to spend looking for knowledge, and they left behind nothing but block after block to inquiry in their wake, and finally destroyed the project known as Wikipedia altogether. Jon Awbrey Excellent summary. Which do you think would be better: 1) no third group, or 2) a well qualified, regulated, and disciplined third group?
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QUOTE(Emperor @ Wed 26th September 2007, 12:54pm) QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 25th September 2007, 11:58pm) QUOTE(WhispersOfWisdom @ Tue 25th September 2007, 11:11pm) Wild west and Al Capone all mixed in with Lord of the Flies. Very scary and very creepy. After all, who has all the time in the world to do something for nothing? Teens and underemployed people that sit and fight with each other over who is the more powerful administrator. Without a hint of wisdom sometimes, the cabals and gangs shoot it out until someone gets banned or blocked. A video game that changes the truth and the rules every few seconds.
I know many people who did have time, a little or a lot, people who would have made more time for a project that looked, once upon a time, like a worthwhile effort to build a global learning community. That would have been, that should have been a place where people who had done the work to get real knowledge about given subjects, who were seeking no more compensation than the joy of sharing what they had learned, could have made that knowledge available to any and all who were seeking it. But between these two sorts of people, sorts than naturally shift from subject to subject, there came another sort of people. This third group neither had the knowledge nor desired it — they would have nothing but the power to control the source, control the flow, and control the target of each bit of information. And if they could not achieve total control over a given piece of the sum? Well, then, they could think of nothing better than blocking the transfer of information altogether. That third group of people wasted the time that the first group had to give to sharing their knowledge, wasted the time that the second group had to spend looking for knowledge, and they left behind nothing but block after block to inquiry in their wake, and finally destroyed the project known as Wikipedia altogether. Jon Awbrey Excellent summary. Which do you think would be better: 1) no third group, or 2) a well qualified, regulated, and disciplined third group? I'm always a little suspicious of simple answers to complex questions, and this business about 3 groups of people could easily slide into that degenre of oversimple fiction if we are not careful. So it's best to think of concrete situations in your experience where you could observe something like these 3 different motives in play. It may be that you can observe all 3 motives in yourself at one time. It may be that you are more one way than another in regard to one subject while shifting in your attitude toward another subject. It may be that ∑ Ppl are just 1 way pretty much all the time about ∀-thing. Many such journeys are possible … Jon Awbrey This post has been edited by Jonny Cache:
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