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As part of the increasingly incestuous relationship between the Wales page and WR, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...for_spanking.3FQUOTE Mr. Wales, it may be time for you to either pay more attention to what's happening with this Wikipedia/Wikia relationship, or begin setting down some rules at Wikia along the lines of, "Don't embarrass Wikia or the Wikipedia project with your actions on Wikia or Wikipedia." You'll wonder what I'm talking about? I'm delighted to see that Wikipedia has a GFDL image of some boys involved in the Boy Scouts mission. I'm not so delighted to see that photo copied into a Wikia called "Spanking Art", to enhance an article about Boy Scouts that reads:
While nowadays the Scouting movement prohibits the use of corporal punishment as part of its activities, this was not always so, and in spanking stories they often go hand in hand, especially with Beaver and Cub Scouts. There are also some spanking drawings that show young scouts, e.g. by Comixpank.
Because of the connotations of discipline that comes with scouting, some adult spankophiles like to roleplay/ageplay a boy or girl scout (similar to playing schoolboys).
Exactly what kind of perverts are Wikia and the Wikimedia Foundation enabling, by allowing them free and unfettered access to simple pictures of boys, that are then twisted and exploited on your for-profit company's website, so that they are interwoven into adult perversions and roleplay?
QUOTE I know I'm not supposed to link there [direct link to WR, horrors], but you really ought to spend a minute or two reviewing this analysis of what's going on, before you unwittingly spawn a worldwide boycott of Amazon.com, the primary investor in Wikia "Spanking Art", for being a pro-pedophilia corporation. - John Russ Finley (talk) 02:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
I see he uses the word 'perverts' for which Giano was temporarily blocked, and I was indef blocked. Be careful John. QUOTE Is there a reason that you are complaining on Wikipedia when the problem you have is with Wikia? Another site is using our image (or rather the Wikimedia Commons' image) in accordance with copyright in a way that you find inappropriate. There is nothing that Wikipedia can do. Mr.Z-man 04:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I saw above that this is the place to praise Mr. Wales for his development of Wikia, Inc. I assumed that it would also be the place to bring criticisms of Wikia to light. - John Russ Finley (talk) 04:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales"
Hey and before you unwittingly spawn a worldwide boycott of Amazon.com, the primary investor in Wikia "Spanking Art", for being a pro-pedophilia corporation has got to be a WP:LEGAL if I saw one. I DEMAND a community ban (as Durova argued in my case). This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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I see this has just appeared here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=186489660written by our friend WAS 4.250. QUOTE The history of the full frontal nude pic of this naked girl who has been badly burned at the top of this article about her Phan Thị Kim Phúc might be relevant to your concerns on Jimbo's web page. WR is trying to stir up trouble by throwing mud everywhere and seeing what will stick. Frankly at some point the WikiMedia Foundation might have to sue some of these WR clowns for defamation. Greg in particular seems eager to defame Jimbo for financial profit. I thought he was smarter than that. Maybe he figures any publicity is good publicity, even a defamation lawsuit. WAS 4.250 (talk) 11:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
So Wales is going to sue one of us? [Edit] Greg, I don't think you should be uploading those pictures above - they are now on this site, right? I have no problem with links, people can choose to or not, but with the pictures they can't choose, also the pictures are now hosted here. Plus I find the 'Bella at bathtime' particularly distressing - that is someone's little girl there. Just wait for Wikia to delete them, as I am sure they will in time. This post has been edited by Kato:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 24th January 2008, 4:35pm) I see this has just appeared here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:SqueakBoxwritten by our friend WAS 4.250. QUOTE The history of the full frontal nude pic of this naked girl who has been badly burned at the top of this article about her Phan Thị Kim Phúc might be relevant to your concerns on Jimbo's web page. WR is trying to stir up trouble by throwing mud everywhere and seeing what will stick. Frankly at some point the WikiMedia Foundation might have to sue some of these WR clowns for defamation. Greg in particular seems eager to defame Jimbo for financial profit. I thought he was smarter than that. Maybe he figures any publicity is good publicity, even a defamation lawsuit. WAS 4.250 (talk) 11:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
So Wales is going to sue one of us? Throw mud and see what sticks - well couldn't deny that... but it is mud. Defamation? Wikia are hosting a site that at this point in time is clearly promoting violence against children. Child porn, well, perhaps one needs to be circumspect on that as it is not a clear definition (and in the UK it is not a defence to say "That's not what I meant"). Wait. Is that a legal threat*? Where is EconomicsGuy. When is someone going to say enough is enough and invoke WP:LEGAL? No didn't think so, in this context. *By the Wikipediot definition, of course. BTW, I agree about being dubious as to the wisdom of hosting that picture (on Wikipedia Review). You are inadvertently repeating the "libel" of those pictures in that context. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/mellow.gif) Further, no GFDL as far as I can see. That is something an ex-Wikipedian can understand as a reason to remove. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Thu 24th January 2008, 11:53am) BTW, I agree about being dubious as to the wisdom of hosting that picture (on Wikipedia Review). You are inadvertently repeating the "libel" of those pictures in that context. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/mellow.gif) Further, no GFDL as far as I can see. That is something an ex-Wikipedian can understand as a reason to remove. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm not doing anything inadvertently, dogbiscuit. The page is served under the terms of the GFDL, per the note at the bottom, and attribution is directly under the photo: "A collage of images found on the 'Spanking Art' Wikia at http://spankingart.wikia.com, a site owned in large part by Jimmy Wales and funded by Amazon.com ($10 million)." This is more attribution than Wikipedia's most dedicated admins often bother to give. If any of the original holders of the copyright to those images wishes to issue a complaint to me, I will gladly respond according to the law. They will have to identify themselves, of course. Of course, Wikia, Inc. has no claim against me for re-serving the GFDL images. The AUTHORS of those images have claim, not the HOSTS. I realize I am taking some risk here. I feel that the temporary unpleasant solution is dwarfed by the long-term need to expose and eradicate sites like Spanking Art and the admins who defiantly run them. Greg
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 24th January 2008, 5:07pm) QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Thu 24th January 2008, 11:53am) BTW, I agree about being dubious as to the wisdom of hosting that picture (on Wikipedia Review). You are inadvertently repeating the "libel" of those pictures in that context. :mellow:
Further, no GFDL as far as I can see. That is something an ex-Wikipedian can understand as a reason to remove. :rolleyes: I'm not doing anything inadvertently, dogbiscuit. The page is served under the terms of the GFDL, per the note at the bottom, and attribution is directly under the photo: "A collage of images found on the 'Spanking Art' Wikia at http://spankingart.wikia.com, a site owned in large part by Jimmy Wales and funded by Amazon.com ($10 million)." This is more attribution than Wikipedia's most dedicated admins often bother to give. If any of the original holders of the copyright to those images wishes to issue a complaint to me, I will gladly respond according to the law. They will have to identify themselves, of course. Of course, Wikia, Inc. has no claim against me for re-serving the GFDL images. The AUTHORS of those images have claim, not the HOSTS. I realize I am taking some risk here. I feel that the temporary unpleasant solution is dwarfed by the long-term need to expose and eradicate sites like Spanking Art and the admins who defiantly run them. Greg Dogbiscuit is right, I think. Books about child abuse sometimes contain pictures showing physical injury done to children by their abusers. But they generally do something to obscure the identity of the child, like put a black rectangle over their eyes. Seriously, could you please do something like that to the two pictures of children whose faces are showing? Pretty please?
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 24th January 2008, 7:45pm) QUOTE(AB @ Thu 24th January 2008, 2:04pm) Seriously, could you please do something like that to the two pictures of children whose faces are showing? Pretty please? That is a great idea, AB. It's done. Thank you. : ) Now you just need to delete the original version of the collage. QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 24th January 2008, 7:45pm) Do you think I've sufficiently obscured their faces to help protect their identity? Greg I am not a lawyer, but I do feel better about it now. This post has been edited by AB:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 24th January 2008, 8:05pm) Original image is deleted (even from my personal hard drive). Faces obscured. And a list of very reasonable demands cited under the picture. I'm feeling much better about this. Thanks for the collaborative input, WR.
"Less mud, more good." : ) I was actually thinking it would be better to put the demands over the picture. You know, so people who don't scroll down wouldn't get the wrong idea. Sadly, I don't know if this is possible with MediaWiki software. So I guess we'll just have to hope that the word 'sickness' in the title is enough for those people to get it. I guess another idea would be to put words of protest in the black spaces on the side of the collage. You could put 'End violence against children' in the upper left hand corner, and 'Shut down Wikia' in the upper right hand corner.
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Thank God, this may be coming to an end. The User:Spankart on the Spanking Art Wikia seems to be on a massive deletion campaign, removing dozens of images of "contemporary minor"s. This is a wonderful thing. I don't care if Spankart came to his own senses, or whether Jimbo applied pressure. It's happening. It's changing. Good for them. Of course, WAS 4.250 is still deranged: QUOTE This is the sort of nonsense that WR was trying to create in the first place. Child actors, faces in a crowd, etc. Don't contribute if you don't want your contribution to be under a free license that can be used by anybody for anything. [[User:WAS 4.250|WAS 4.250]] ([[User talk:WAS 4.250|talk]]) 19:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry, WAS -- this wasn't about WR creating anything. This was about WR appropriately reacting to an abomination. The only remaining things I'd like to see happen are continued COMPLETE removal from all Wikias of anything that condones violence against children or any unwilling adult, an apology from Wikia, Inc. that this ever was tolerated in the first place, and some assurance that they will be more vigilant moving forward. Free speech and free licenses stop at the boundaries of derogatory and dehumanizing frameworks, violence, abuse, and crime. It's quite simple. WAS 4.250 apparently disagrees. Probably too much Jimbo-juice at the last meet-up. Greg
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