Giano calls out FT2 for harassment, Uh oh Options

[Rootology]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...2.27s_behaviour

Yow. I just read some of the psychopop stuff FT2 has posted about Giano. Giano's right, that stuff is just totally inappropriate.

[Moulton]

Note that Gandhi did not kick the British out of India.

He predicted that, in the end, the British would leave India of their own accord.

And he was right.

But first he needed to help the British appreciate that their practices in India were ill-conceived, ill-advised, and counter-productive of their core cultural values.

I'm not sure I can accurately recite the core values of Wikipedia, but if it's to produce a reputable and responsible online encyclopedia that rises to normative standards of accuracy, excellence, and ethics in media, then I daresay the current practices of the site are demonstrably ill-conceived, ill-advised and counter-productive of that presumptive objective.

[Giggy]

Note that Gandhi did not kick the British out of India.

He predicted that, in the end, the British would leave India of their own accord.

And he was right.

But first he needed to help the British appreciate that their practices in India were ill-conceived, ill-advised, and counter-productive of their core cultural values.

I'm not sure I can accurately recite the core values of Wikipedia, but if it's to produce a reputable and responsible online encyclopedia that rises to normative standards of accuracy, excellence, and ethics in media, then I daresay the current practices of the site are demonstrably ill-conceived, ill-advised and counter-productive of that presumptive objective.

In an ideal world (OK, more ideal than the Wikiworld) that would work. The problem is that our Brit (FT2) won't be leaving India (Wikipedia (or the ArbCom...however you want to see it)) any time soon because we 1) don't have a Gandhi (there are too many people who would rather create new drama then try to point out to FT2 that the current practices suck) and 2) don't have "consensus" (that word is so misused sometimes that it's not funny) that the current practices do suck.

1 could be solved by Giano, if (and I say this as one of his supporters) he were to slow down a little and try and make more thought out, targeted, attacks on FT2's actions. His postings now are great for people on his side because we understand where he's coming from, and agree with him, but they just piss off the other side and get him labeled a drama queen (ref: Naerii earlier in this thread).

2 will take a great deal of discussion to solve, and I for one would be very impressed if it could stay on topic. Again, I think some members of Giano's side (I dunno...maybe I would if the discussion was crappy enough) would shout "IRC" again (and conversely, the other side would probably almost certainly do something naughty on IRC during the discussion).

Living in Australia as a 16 year old, my knowledge of history is minimal (mainly because the curriculum here is pathetic in such areas), so I'll let someone else give a good historical analogy for the position we're currently in.

My analogy is simply a (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sad.gif) because I actually do believe in Wikipedia. Just no so much in the current administration of it.

[Edit] - Just a thought...since JoshuaZ is now at RfAr (link), anyone ever considered requesting arbitration on FT2? Can't say I'm overly fond of the idea myself, yet, but I imagine some are. Curious if they speak up (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[Edit 2] - Shouldn't this be in the FT2 subforum?

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