Giano calls out FT2 for harassment, Uh oh Options

[Rootology]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...2.27s_behaviour

Yow. I just read some of the psychopop stuff FT2 has posted about Giano. Giano's right, that stuff is just totally inappropriate.

[written by he who wrote it]

Silly Giano. He only has Red clearance; he's not allowed to accuse Violets like FT2 of harassment. He should report for termination immediately.

[Lar]

Silly Giano. He only has Red clearance; he's not allowed to accuse Violets like FT2 of harassment. He should report for termination immediately.

I think that's the first Paranoia reference I've seen here... awesome!

[Giano]

Silly Giano. He only has Red clearance; he's not allowed to accuse Violets like FT2 of harassment. He should report for termination immediately.

I think that's the first Paranoia reference I've seen here... awesome!

Sadly, I see FT2 has decided to start renewed attacks on me on his talk page, his collections of half-truths and distortions grow ever greater. I'm reliably told his actions have the backing of the Arbcom, and are a deliberate ploy to provoke me into either leaving or giving them the ammunition to block me. God knows if it is true or not, but they certainly don't seem very keen to reign him in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207471226. Even after I tried to start editing again, the Arbs had to keep needling away - there is a limit to the continuous haranguing, eventually, even I start to wonder what is the point?

Giano

[Peter Damian]

Sadly, I see FT2 has decided to start renewed attacks on me on his talk page, his collections of half-truths and distortions grow ever greater. I'm reliably told his actions have the backing of the Arbcom, and are a deliberate ploy to provoke me into either leaving or giving them the ammunition to block me. God knows if it is true or not, but they certainly don't seem very keen to reign him in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207471226. Even after I tried to start editing again, the Arbs had to keep needling away - there is a limit to the continuous haranguing, eventually, even I start to wonder what is the point?

Giano

As I mentioned in an earlier post, these renewed speeches seem like overt attacks. He constantly accuses you of 'violating community norms', i.e. you are a deviant, he repeats over and over the supposed harm you are doing, and he makes these constant insinuations and threats of community ban.

However a number of people also seem to be questioning this.

I would advise extreme caution here, Giano. E.g. you remove a long part of the speech here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207471226

with the comment 'removing more lies'). Do be careful.

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[Jon Awbrey]

Sadly, I see FT2 has decided to start renewed attacks on me on his talk page, his collections of half-truths and distortions grow ever greater. I'm reliably told his actions have the backing of the Arbcom, and are a deliberate ploy to provoke me into either leaving or giving them the ammunition to block me. God knows if it is true or not, but they certainly don't seem very keen to reign him in User Talk:FT2. Even after I tried to start editing again, the Arbs had to keep needling away � there is a limit to the continuous haranguing, eventually, even I start to wonder what is the point?

Giano

As I mentioned in an earlier post, these renewed speeches seem like overt attacks. He constantly accuses you of 'violating community norms', i.e. you are a deviant, he repeats over and over the supposed harm you are doing, and he makes these constant insinuations and threats of community ban.

However a number of people also seem to be questioning this.

I would advise extreme caution here, Giano. E.g. you remove a long part of the speech here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207471226

with the comment 'removing more lies'). Do be careful.

Giano,

Yes, be careful about taking advice from people who are in meta*denial about the irredeemable character of Wikipedia.

Be at peace � it is already too late and there is nothing you could have done � by the time you become aware of being non-confluent with the Cabal you are already a 4gone goner whether you know it or not.

Like I said �

¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤
¤ Walk Toward The Light ¤
¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[Peter Damian]

Giano,

Yes, be careful about taking advice from people who are in meta*denial about the irredeemable character of Wikipedia.

Be at peace � it is already too late and there is nothing you could have done � by the time you become aware of being non-confluent with the Cabal you are already a 4gone goner whether you know it or not.

Like I said �

Jon unlike you I don't believe that there are any organisations or people who are irredeemable. There is just cock-up and confusion, very rarely conspiracy.

On Giano being a goner I see that the Palace of Monaco

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207518517

will be a featured article on April 28. I wonder if that will be the date ArbCom has designated for his banning.

[Jon Awbrey]

Giano,

Yes, be careful about taking advice from people who are in meta*denial about the irredeemable character of Wikipedia.

Be at peace � it is already too late and there is nothing you could have done � by the time you become aware of being non-confluent with the Cabal you are already a 4gone goner whether you know it or not.

Like I said �

¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤
¤ Walk Toward The Light ¤
¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤ ↑ ¤

Jon, unlike you I don't believe that there are any organisations or people who are irredeemable. There is just cock-up and confusion, very rarely conspiracy.

On Giano being a goner I see that the Palace of Monaco

Talk:Prince's Palace of Monaco

will be a featured article on April 28. I wonder if that will be the date ArbCom has designated for his banning.

Peter,

I am a Designer And Theorist Of Systems (DATOS) � more armchair of late than formerly, but my critique of any given Social Technical Architecture (STA) is based on experience with the ways that systems work and the ways that systems crash.

Systems do crash. If you don't believe that some systems are irredeemable � speaking as I always do in pragmatic terms � then I have an old TI99/4A that I'd like to sell you, real cheap.

Systems headed for the cliff of irrecoverable failure almost always give us signs and exhibit the arch-typical symptoms that hell-bent systems almost always do.

We ignore the warning signs at our peril, though it may be the peril of nothing but time that were better spent elsewhere.

Nothing but time …

Ay, there's the rub �

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[thekohser]

... I have an old TI99/4A that I'd like to sell you, real cheap.

Jon -- funny you should mention this. My sister (co-developer of Wikipedia Review) and I both learned our first basic programming skills on TI99/4A's that we each bought, when I was (I guess) about 12 years old.

We still refer to Wikipedia Review as our "TI99/4A for the 21st century". That's more as a personal nudge to each other -- hopefully not as an admission that Wikipedia Review is a failed system.

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Greg

[Jon Awbrey]

… I have an old TI99/4A that I'd like to sell you, real cheap.

Jon � funny you should mention this. My sister (co-developer of Wikipedia Review) and I both learned our first basic programming skills on TI99/4A's that we each bought, when I was (I guess) about 12 years old.

We still refer to Wikipedia Review as our "TI99/4A for the 21st century". That's more as a personal nudge to each other � hopefully not as an admission that Wikipedia Review is a failed system.

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Greg

I had been begging and borrowing PC's and Clones like Columbias � speaking of dearly departed belly-uppers � from Sparty for a couple of years before I bought my first TI99/4A on sale at our friendly naborhood Toys-R-Us.

It wasn't the Tech, the hard-&-soft-ware, that tanked. It was the Socio-Economic Netwarp (SEN) and the Philosophy Of Closeted Sooper-Seekrit System Architecture (TI:POCSSSA), in which the Tech was but a material curl, that crashed.

There's a lesson in that …

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)