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Court orders hand over of identity of anonymous wikipedia editors.

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libel not covered by 1st - apparently.
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I think it's a matter of time before someone in the UK gets their ass sued into oblivion for editing Wikipedia, and shortly after that there will be no UK editors of Wikipedia left, once all of them realize that they're totally vulnerable there to defamation claims.

It'll take longer to break the shield in the US, but eventually that'll happen to. The difference between Wikipedia, IMO, and random blogs, forums, and Twitter is that the latter are all "take it as you find it" random junk with no inherent credibility, while the former holds itself forth as a trusted authority by claiming to be an encyclopedia, and eventually that distinction is going to make a difference somewhere. If you want to wear the uniform, you have to walk the beat, as it were.
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 31st May 2011, 12:58pm) *

I think it's a matter of time before someone in the UK gets their ass sued into oblivion for editing Wikipedia, and shortly after that there will be no UK editors of Wikipedia left, once all of them realize that they're totally vulnerable there to defamation claims.

I think that's very unlikely. How many editors do you think have the assets to make it worthwhile for a plantiff to sue them in a UK civil court? Very few or just none? As Robert Maxwell so ably demonstrated, UK libel law is a plaything of the rich, a tool to suppress anything they'd prefer others not to know about. In reality it has very little if anything to do with spreading lies. But equally those without significant assets are immune to it, and can say pretty much whatever they please.

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QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 31st May 2011, 11:21pm) *

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 31st May 2011, 12:58pm) *

I think it's a matter of time before someone in the UK gets their ass sued into oblivion for editing Wikipedia, and shortly after that there will be no UK editors of Wikipedia left, once all of them realize that they're totally vulnerable there to defamation claims.

I think that's very unlikely. How many editors do you think have the assets to make it worthwhile for a plantiff to sue them in a UK civil court? Very few or just none? As Robert Maxwell so ably demonstrated, UK libel law is a plaything of the rich, a tool to suppress anything they'd prefer others not to know about. In reality it has very little if anything to do with spreading lies. But equally those without significant assets are immune to it, and can say pretty much whatever they please.

Quite a few I'd imagine, given the UK's love of home ownership.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 31st May 2011, 11:46pm) *

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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 31st May 2011, 12:58pm) *

I think it's a matter of time before someone in the UK gets their ass sued into oblivion for editing Wikipedia, and shortly after that there will be no UK editors of Wikipedia left, once all of them realize that they're totally vulnerable there to defamation claims.

I think that's very unlikely. How many editors do you think have the assets to make it worthwhile for a plantiff to sue them in a UK civil court? Very few or just none? As Robert Maxwell so ably demonstrated, UK libel law is a plaything of the rich, a tool to suppress anything they'd prefer others not to know about. In reality it has very little if anything to do with spreading lies. But equally those without significant assets are immune to it, and can say pretty much whatever they please.

Quite a few I'd imagine, given the UK's love of home ownership.

And how exactly do you reconcile home ownership with the commonly reported demographics of wikipedia editors? Winning a libel case doesn't give the plaintiff automatic access to any assets owned by the plaintiff's parents.
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lilburne   Nowhere to hide  
Detective   Court orders hand over of identity of anonymous w...  
lilburne   [quote name='lilburne' post='275821' date='Sun 29...  
thekohser   How about this ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e...  
thekohser   I have a nice Faconnable dress shirt that has held...  
carbuncle   How odd. I wanted to see the actual edits in quest...  
tarantino   How odd. I wanted to see the actual edits in ques...  
lilburne   How odd. I wanted to see the actual edits in que...  
Sololol   How odd. I wanted to see the actual edits in ques...  
carbuncle   [quote name='carbuncle' post='275829' date='Sun 2...  
Sololol   [quote name='carbuncle' post='275829' date='Sun ...  
thekohser   And, a WebCite of the M1 Group article. I'll ...  
EricBarbour   I'll tell you what, Guy "JzG" Chapma...  
Milton Roe   [quote name='thekohser' post='275842' date='Sun 2...  
Silver seren   So...what are they going to do if the IP isn't...  
thekohser   So...what are they going to do if the IP isn...  
Silver seren   Ah, no, I didn't read that far. Yeah, interne...  
Detective   Yeah, internet anonymity seems to be heading towa...  
Somey   Yeah, internet anonymity seems to be heading towar...  
lilburne   Yeah, internet anonymity seems to be heading towa...  
Newyorkbrad   [quote name='Somey' post='275906' date='Mon 30th ...  
lilburne   [quote name='lilburne' post='275937' date='Tue 31...  
thekohser   It's odd how this was in the Denver Post six w...  
carbuncle   It's odd how this was in the Denver Post six ...  
Kelly Martin   Seems to me that defamation is an intentional tort...  
Malleus   Seems to me that defamation is an intentional tor...  
NuclearWarfare   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='275910' date='Tu...  
Newyorkbrad   However, what I found interesting was this statem...  
carbuncle   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='275910' date='Tu...  
Newyorkbrad   Seems to me that defamation is an intentional to...  
Kelly Martin   Usually, someone who's discovered that the thr...  
Newyorkbrad   Usually, someone who's discovered that the th...  
victim of censorship   Court orders hand over of identity of anonymous w...  
lilburne   [quote name='lilburne' post='275821' date='Sun 29...  
Somey   The difference between Wikipedia, IMO, and random ...  
Abd   And how exactly do you reconcile home ownership wi...  
Malleus   And how exactly do you reconcile home ownership w...  
Kelly Martin   I'm not completely sure this is true. Parents ...  
lilburne   The WMF is fairly clearly immunized against this ...  
thekohser   The WMF is fairly clearly immunized against this ...  
Kelly Martin   Kelly, I've spoken with a lawyer who was a key...  
Abd   The WMF is fairly clearly immunized against this f...  
Sololol   Didn't see this posted yet. Here's the ord...  
thekohser   The edits in question not only linked Facconable ...  
Silver seren   So, I guess we'd better gear up for another Am...  
lilburne   So, I guess we'd better gear up for another A...  


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