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Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

For openers, do you have anything juicy on the topic of Slim's socking, either Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash? Or on banal "Whole Foods Market"-style genre of monikers she invents?

Posted by: Silver seren

The moment I saw that you had made this thread, I knew what the question was going to pertain to. mellow.gif

Posted by: gomi

I am morbidly curious about the lengthy deliberations surrounding the Israel-Palestine decision, specifically the removal of checkuser, etc from Jayjg (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

Posted by: Peter Damian

I am curious about any emails relating to the identity of Iridescent.

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sun 26th June 2011, 5:02pm) *

For openers, do you have anything juicy on the topic of Slim's socking, either Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash? Or on banal "Whole Foods Market"-style genre of monikers she invents?



No mention of Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash or anything about SlimVirgin socking that isn't about defending her from accusations (in 2007) or her kvetching about being falsely accused.

From kirill.lokshin at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 15:35:52 2007
From: kirill.lokshin at gmail.com (Kirill Lokshin)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Query regarding sockpuppeting admin
In-Reply-To: <20070403131241.TCUY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
References: <20070403131241.TCUY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com>
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On 4/3/07, charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com
<charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Steve Dunlop wrote
>
> > I have left notes explaining the situation and the arbcom's position on
> > it on Henrygb's talk page and on AN/I.
>
> You left out the bit we discussed most, which was that there was absolutely no urgency to do anything here.
>
> I deprecate this strongly. The statement contains assertions of _fact_ on sockpuppetry. This is a most unfortunate form of phrasing. Maybe it was the girlfriend's account. But in any case this seems to go way beyond what we had agreed to do.
>
> So, you have probably run a good editor off the site, now. When I suggested that we might be asking Henrygb to hand in the mop, I meant that. This is (otherwise) someone we should be happy to have editing.
>
> I think it is extremely important that we handle these matters in a collegiate way.

I think it's also important to avoid having our hands tied because
someone won't cooperate. Henrygb has been given ample opportunity to
provide some explanation or comment on the sockpuppetry charge;
instead, he's decided to accuse us of being part of some shadowy
SlimVirgin Atrribution conspiracy (all while studiously avoiding
saying anything -- anything at all -- as to the charge itself). The
fact that he won't discuss the issue with us should be a point against
him, not a free ticket out of being sanctioned for what appears --
barring any explanation from him -- as quite inexcusable behavior.

In any case, I'll point out that it was Henrygb who insisted on having
everything done in public. Given his demands that we conduct all
discussion on his talk page, posting the charges on AN/I is quite fair
game, I think.

Kirill



QUOTE

I am curious about any emails relating to the identity of Iridescent.



Looked for all ready, the bloke doesn't even trust the other inmates with his identity.

Posted by: Peter Damian

How about emails from John Vandenberg re FT2 probably between 7 and 14 January 2009. The IDs below may refer (although possibly not).

The same material is referenced by Vandenberg more than a year later on the precise date of 27 November 2010, where he provides some 'evidence' to the committee.

deea21830901070135r601f4439wa7dbed2553bfee93
deea21830812201847y46742623t6534619a5443d8e4

More generally, I was told that there was a plot during December 2010-January 2011 by certain Arbcom members to oust FT2. I wasn't told any more because they were worried about material being leaked to Wikipedia by someone on the committee.

Any evidence during the December 2010 period of concerns about leaks would be interesting.

Posted by: -DS-

Anything on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Peter_Karlsen?

Posted by: Jack Merridew

I'd be interested in stuff about me. I was on the very edge of the M4th/GJP et al stuff and went and knocked on the arb-wiki's door when that was going on (which must have left log-footprints). They have a fix in for me and I'd like to see the *real* reasons.

* nyupat means to volunteer for execution, and they have an article on puputan:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puputan

:: damn; I thought this was going to go in the ask the leaker thread; mebbe someone wil move it --Jack

Posted by: Craftyminion

I'd be interested to know the gory details of Ottava's wrangles with the Big Bad Arbs. Also anything about Sandy Georgia.

Posted by: EricBarbour

What do I want? There's nothing in this stuff that I would call "compelling" or even "unexpected".

I'd like to see the entire gang of prevaricating, butt-sniffing, backpedalling fools on Arbcom
resign en masse. Especially Coren, Risker, Wjbscribe, Davies, ShellKinney, and Xeno, and with
special contempt for NYB. If you want "disputes" to be "resolved", the last person you want is
a corporate attorney whose career depends on his ability to obfuscate and delay.

They have done a fine job of turning a "dispute-resolution group" into a Wikilawyering tag-team.
Curse them, over and over.

That's all I want. Not much to ask.

Posted by: -DS-

I observe that this topic has ended up under the wrong title.

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

QUOTE(-DS- @ Mon 27th June 2011, 4:26am) *

I observe that this topic has ended up under the wrong title.
No problemo, propose a better title and it shall be fixed.

Meanwhile, anything about Jayjg, Georgewilliamherbert, and the manipulation and/or misrepresentation of CU data?

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(-DS- @ Mon 27th June 2011, 11:26am) *

I observe that this topic has ended up under the wrong title.


Brief result of a merge in and now I've pinned it.

Posted by: trenton

The whole negotiating with Gerard and Goodwin and John Vandenberg falling on his sword should be interesting....

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

Hey, what's a Wikipedia scandal without Shankbone? Any fun stuff on him? evilgrin.gif

Posted by: Tarc

Any mention of me? I want to be famous too! unhappy.gif

Posted by: Shalom

Anything on Law / The_undertow. When did Casliber and/or other arbs agree to let him edit through a "ban" and not tell anybody on-wiki?

Posted by: Milton Roe

[copied from another thread, since this one has been created]

Milton's request:

How far back does this stuff go? I'm curious as to what Arbom had to say to itself May 28-29, 2008 when Gary Weiss/Mantanmoreland was finally caught socking as user:Bassettcat, thereby proving most of what newbie WordBomb/Bagley had been saying about him. A moment of shame? A moment of self-inspection? Nothing?

Posted by: -DS-

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 27th June 2011, 6:19pm) *

[copied from another thread, since this one has been created]

Milton's request:

How far back does this stuff go? I'm curious as to what Arbom had to say to itself May 28-29, 2008 when Gary Weiss/Mantanmoreland was finally caught socking as socking as user:Bassettcat, thereby proving move of what newbie WordBomb/Bagley had been saying about him. A moment of shame? A moment of self-inspection? Nothing?


I second this.

Posted by: SB_Johnny

Someone else will have to provide the dates, but any threads on the damage control after they kicked the "retired" arbs off the mailinglist would probably be enlightening.

Posted by: The Joy

I posted this in another thread, but that post got lost.

Anything about Poetlister/Quillercouch during:

September 5-15, 2008?

October 24, 2010?

Posted by: Craftyminion

Malice,

Thank you muchly for the dish on Ottava the Odious. Greatly appreciated.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

A new question for Malice: is this bounty the result of your hard work, or did someone else pass these goodies to you with the request that you share it on Wikipedia Review?

Oh, and another request: anything to share on the blow-up that resulted in Tanthalas39 leaving Wikipedia? The site is not the same without him. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Peter Damian

QUOTE(The Joy @ Mon 27th June 2011, 9:00pm) *

I posted this in another thread, but that post got lost.

Anything about Poetlister/Quillercouch during:

September 5-15, 2008?

October 24, 2010?


I second that. This is crucial to understanding the other two threads I have been banging on about. Possibly before that, as FT2 issued a report in August 2008.

The people involved (not all of them Arbcom) were Sam Korn (=Smoddy), James Forrester, Jpgordon, Kirill Lokshin (overview), Sam Blacketer at enwiki arbcom or ex-arbs. Checkusers/crats Thatcher, Jayvdb, Rlevse and WJBscribe.

Checkuser Aphaia. Stewards Spacebirdy to the extent needed to justify a cross wiki checkuser, Lar to the extent needed to endorse that we must handled it privately if it comes up on-wiki, Dungodung to the point of agreement to review, and Cary, Jimmy Wales and Jay Walsh at Office.

Oh yes and Coren http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Poetlister_and_Cato&diff=1174104&oldid=1173766 naturally.

Goodness and our friend Lar as well http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Poetlister_and_Cato&diff=next&oldid=1181370 who mentions the famous email (presumably that one, anyway).

QUOTE

:I meant to add that I think FT2 has done a fairly reasonable job in not rushing to judgment and presenting the facts in a manner that doesn't pillory anyone, and allows the individual to just go away.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Poetlister_and_Cato&diff=1168875&oldid=1168873


Like approaching the HR department of the sockpuppet's firm? Does this just allow the individual to go away? (Cary Bass, unlike Jimbo, did acknowledge seeing the 13 Sep email).

Posted by: Jack Merridew

QUOTE(Jack Merridew @ Mon 27th June 2011, 8:19am) *

damn; I thought this was going to go in the ask the leaker thread; mebbe someone wil move it --Jack


→ thanks for the move… Jack

Posted by: Malleus

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 10:15pm) *

Oh, and another request: anything to share on the blow-up that resulted in Tanthalas39 leaving Wikipedia? The site is not the same without him. rolleyes.gif

Wasn't the Tanthalus39 thing rather straightforward? He got blocked, unblocked himself, then blocked his blocker. There's no way out from that.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 28th June 2011, 12:44am) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 27th June 2011, 10:15pm) *

Oh, and another request: anything to share on the blow-up that resulted in Tanthalas39 leaving Wikipedia? The site is not the same without him. rolleyes.gif

Wasn't the Tanthalus39 thing rather straightforward? He got blocked, unblocked himself, then blocked his blocker. There's no way out from that.


I didn't know if there were any juicy/funny/hostile e-mails from Tan in the Arbcom files. smile.gif

Posted by: Sololol

April/May 2008 was the original CAMERA lobbying group campaign. Only a handful of the participants were banned, the rest of the few dozen editors granted amnesty. In 2011 it came to light that some of the original group members were still actively canvassing and pushing pro-Israeli/anti-Arab puff pieces. Any information on the original scandal is most welcome, in particular the names of the editors who escaped banning. Gilead Ini and Dajudem are good search terms.

Posted by: thekohser

I doubt it, but if there is anything in there about the following individuals, I'd be interested in seeing:


Posted by: A Horse With No Name

How about some more Ottava fun? Any ArbCom-l information regarding the Big O circa June 22, 2010? evilgrin.gif

Posted by: Wikipeek

Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(Wikipeek @ Tue 28th June 2011, 8:20pm) *

Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.


It does. Just make an account when on vacation or a friend's computer or just a different browser and operating system, and wait three months before using it at home.

Also, I'd like to see some leaks regarding how they handle pedophiles. One that comes to mind is Thesevenseas - how exactly does ArbCom figure these things out, and how fast does it take for the block?

Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos?

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(melloden @ Wed 29th June 2011, 1:38am) *

QUOTE(Wikipeek @ Tue 28th June 2011, 8:20pm) *

Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.


It does. Just make an account when on vacation or a friend's computer or just a different browser and operating system, and wait three months before using it at home.

Also, I'd like to see some leaks regarding how they handle pedophiles. One that comes to mind is Thesevenseas - how exactly does ArbCom figure these things out, and how fast does it take for the block?

Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos?


Also, anything about Cirt or Mattisse?

Posted by: Ottava

Haiduc.


Edit - strike that. I think I will vomit if I read anything about it. I pretty much wanted to vomit over Thesevenseas and I can only assume the worst.

I'm gone again.

Posted by: gomi

QUOTE(Wikipeek @ Tue 28th June 2011, 1:20pm) *
Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.

Well-known for ages. The answer is "yes", though the word you are looking for is "caught". Also, CU Wiki retains records on actual or suspected sockpuppets indefinitely, so if you're a sock, never re-use an IP. If someone else re-uses the IP and tickles a checkuser's interest, they are likely to be banned, regardless of guilt. I've now collected a list of at least 20 "sockpuppets" that I had nothing to do with. Wikipedia doesn't care, they want to be seen as fighting the enemies of the Wiki.

Posted by: SpiderAndWeb

QUOTE
There are aspect to Casliber's resignation and John Vandenberg's
resignation that were not made public. There were aspects to Kirill's
resignation last year, and also Coren's resignation, that were not
made public.


If these "aspects" are along the lines of BlackmailedArb's, say no more. If, on the other hand, there is a pattern of the Committee whitewashing the incompetence or misconduct of fellow arbs, that is by far the information I'm most interested in seeing leaked.

Posted by: Sololol

QUOTE(melloden @ Tue 28th June 2011, 9:38pm) *

Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos?

...offer them jobs at WMF? hmmm.gif

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(SpiderAndWeb @ Wed 29th June 2011, 4:10am) *

QUOTE
There are aspect to Casliber's resignation and John Vandenberg's
resignation that were not made public. There were aspects to Kirill's
resignation last year, and also Coren's resignation, that were not
made public.


If these "aspects" are along the lines of BlackmailedArb's, say no more. If, on the other hand, there is a pattern of the Committee whitewashing the incompetence or misconduct of fellow arbs, that is by far the information I'm most interested in seeing leaked.


Not sure if these were already leaked, but can someone either point me to the relevant leak thread or give me a tl;dr summary on this?

Posted by: the fieryangel

I would be interested in seeing anything involving David Shankbone...

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Wed 29th June 2011, 3:15am) *

I would be interested in seeing anything involving David Shankbone...


As long as it's not visual. sick.gif sick.gif sick.gif

Posted by: -DS-

Is there anything on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/0kmck4gmja?

Posted by: melloden

More specifically to my last request, is there anything about the account named "Sophie" or "SophJ"? I'm interested in how much ArbCom knew other than he was a pedo.

Posted by: carbuncle

To echo some earlier requests, I would be interested in seeing any discussion related to the oft-discussed Haiduc. And Shankbone, just for laughs.

On an unrelated topic, an Arb emailed me on 6 July 2010 to warn me off taking action against an IP who was editing on Wikipedia talk:Child protection (found now in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Child_protection/Archive_3). Although I was fairly sure at that time that it was Benjiboi (who at that point wasn't yet banned, although some of his socks had been blocked without linking them to his account) and said as much, I was told that a checkuser had been run by one of the Arbs and this was not the case. There is now no doubt that it was Benjiboi, so I am very curious about the discussion which took place at that time given that I was told "...the Committtee is well aware of the situation, even before you posted, and one of the members of the Committee did a comprehensive range check on the user...". The IP in question was 71.139.2.170 and any discussion would have occurred in the first week of July 2010.

Posted by: It's the blimp, Frank

Go ask Malice, when she's ten feet tall.

Posted by: Abd

I'd be interested in any mails relating to my cases before ArbComm and subsequent enforcement and clarification/amendment actions.

There is one particular matter which I do understand was discussed, Fritzpoll offered (more than once, actually) to mentor me, the first time was before his election as an arbitrator, the second time was after that election. Did any correspondence about this show up on the list?

(Fritzpoll had strong intentions of reform, but gave up rather rapidly with no public fuss. What happened?)

My sock, EnergyNeutral, was recently blocked by Coren as a checkuser block. How did Coren come to check this account, which wasn't being disruptive (though the Cold fusion topic ban was being violated), EnergyNeutral was making useful edits, accepted by consensus, and, though one editor obviously had a suspicion that EN wasn't a "new editor," no SSP report was filed.

Any mention of this?

Posted by: Craftyminion

I'd also be interested to know if the voluminous archives have anything on the egregious Off2riorob. What a knob.

Posted by: trenton

MaliceAforethought,

A lot of your posts are getting cut off due to the word limit on posts. Instead of one long post, could you make many smaller posts?

thx

Posted by: RMHED

Dear Malice,

Could you please stop, as I'm bored now.

Arbcom exposes are so yesterday.

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(trenton @ Wed 29th June 2011, 10:40pm) *

MaliceAforethought,

A lot of your posts are getting cut off due to the word limit on posts. Instead of one long post, could you make many smaller posts?

thx

Use pastebin, it's what all the cool kids are doing.

Posted by: Milton Roe

QUOTE(RMHED @ Wed 29th June 2011, 3:49pm) *

Dear Malice,

Could you please stop, as I'm bored now.

Arbcom exposes are so yesterday.


Irony or not, I disagree. Arbcom is like so many human institutions. It feels no pain, it does not age, it cannot be killed by any reasonable means. The members are replaced but the thing continues.

All that is left for such a thing is embarassment. Which it does "feel" in a palid sort of way. Just like City Hall.

So continue with the only weapon that has any effect. Just for the Hell of It, since the thing is evil. You might not be able to kill it, but doing anything else would be to assent to It's actions.




Posted by: Peter Damian

Well I now have a copy of the famous 'anvil' email, sent in September 2008 (or something that purports to be it, I am trusting no one here). Now we need to roll forward to February 2010, when someone sent the email to someone on Arbcom, probably Cool Hand Luke. Is there anything in the archives for that date? It must surely have been discussed.

The contents of the email are horrifying, and I hope it is a forgery.

Posted by: Peter Damian

I can now confirm that the entire Anvil email was published on the Arb mailing list some time in February 2010 - at the latest early March, and that there was correspondence about it. Also, FT2 is supposed to have mailed the list saying that the publication of the mail would put the committee in harm, that his tactics were necessary to help the project.

It would be very interesting to see that correspondence.

Posted by: Rhindle

These leaks are basically like declassified documents. It seems more for historical intrigue rather than anything earth-shattering. Perhaps something will come up that will be. The only thing that would interest me is if there were any cases where Jimbo played a major part or which arbs(past or present) are silent publicly but are very vocal behind the scenes. The former should be fairly easy to ascertain, the latter would take more time and don't know if I'm THAT interested in digging into but perhaps someone else might be.

Posted by: Abd

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 30th June 2011, 2:27pm) *
I can now confirm that the entire Anvil email was published on the Arb mailing list some time in February 2010 - at the latest early March, and that there was correspondence about it. Also, FT2 is supposed to have mailed the list saying that the publication of the mail would put the committee in harm, that his tactics were necessary to help the project.

It would be very interesting to see that correspondence.
Of course, we could judge what FT2 is supposed to have said if we could see that mail. For this purpose, it is not necessary to know if the information in the mail, nor the mail, is "authentic."

(I have no idea what the "Anvil" mail is. But with this comment from Peter Damian, no lightweight, he, I do want to see it!)

Posted by: chrisoff

QUOTE(Craftyminion @ Mon 27th June 2011, 4:31am) *

I'd be interested to know the gory details of Ottava's wrangles with the Big Bad Arbs. Also anything about Sandy Georgia.


The arbs are in Sandy Georgia's pocket. They know the whole scam of "Featured articles" would collapse and fall without her bullying everyone into doing things his/her way.


Posted by: Kelly Martin

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 30th June 2011, 3:28pm) *
The arbs are in Sandy Georgia's pocket. They know the whole scam of "Featured articles" would collapse and fall without her bullying everyone into doing things his/her way.
Nice try, but no.

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

QUOTE(Rhindle @ Thu 30th June 2011, 12:59pm) *

The only thing that would interest me is if there were any cases where Jimbo played a major part or which arbs(past or present) are silent publicly but are very vocal behind the scenes. The former should be fairly easy to ascertain, the latter would take more time and don't know if I'm THAT interested in digging into but perhaps someone else might be.
I was involved in numerous Arb Events back in the day, and I'm sure there must be a back-story which might be entertaining. For starters, http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=34099&view=findpost&p=277507 demonstrates that at least one arb (Iridescent) was fully cognizant of the whole racket being run by SlimVirgin and Will Beback, along with handmaidens such as Georgewilliamherbert. I am curious about any secret correspendence at the time of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Nobs01 and others (T-H-L-K-D), where I was placed on indefinite probation for the crime of suggesting that other respondents were being sanctioned in an inequitable manner. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Nobs01_and_others/Proposed_decision&diff=32160720&oldid=32159273 we see a Raul654 baleeting that embarrassing revelation. Slim 'n' Will managed, through adroit gaming of the system, to parlay that into a series of blocks, setting the stage for my eventual Community Ban by a community comprised of Will and JoshuaZ. So, any incriminating chatter from that period?

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 28th June 2011, 10:43am) *

I doubt it, but if there is anything in there about the following individuals, I'd be interested in seeing:
  • Danny Wool
  • Carolyn Doran
  • Brad Patrick
  • Rand Montoya


Malice, when you don't respond, does that mean you haven't yet gotten to our requests, or does it mean that there was no information on the requested subject?

Keep these leaks coming -- don't let the turkeys get you down.

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 30th June 2011, 1:29pm) *

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 30th June 2011, 3:28pm) *
The arbs are in Sandy Georgia's pocket. They know the whole scam of "Featured articles" would collapse and fall without her bullying everyone into doing things his/her way.
Nice try, but no.

The ArBlubs are in their own pockets. Playing pocket pool, because no one will help them play. hrmph.gif

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

Tarc - Anobody whinges about you and you've shown up because P/I socks edit your talk page.

Wikipeek - Avoiding CU? PM me.

Trenton - Working on the word limit problem. The forum's character count is buggered.

Posted by: Heat

Interested in information about SlimVirgin temporarily losing her bit a few years ago. How did the ArbComm divide on that question? Was permanent defrocking or anything more severe ever considered?

(Sorry if you've already done this, I've just come across this section.)

Also, any revelation of Jayjg's true identity?

Posted by: Emperor

Armed Blowfish, armedblowfish, or AB?


Posted by: RMHED

Dear Malice,

Gotcha!

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(MaliceAforethought @ Thu 30th June 2011, 8:07pm) *

Tarc - Anobody whinges about you and you've shown up because P/I socks edit your talk page.


That's all? Bummer.

Btw is all this sitting publicly available somewhere, like pastebin?

Posted by: Guido den Broeder

It probably won't be much, since I never played their games, but feel free to post anything that you can dig up related to me. Perhaps I will finally get to know the reason for my ban.

Cheers,

Guido

Posted by: Vigilant

Anything on Jeff Merkey would be just grand.

Deliberations on Ottava Rima would also satisfy.

Posted by: Tower

I'd like to see what they have been saying in the past few days about these leaks. It would be interesting to know how worried they are.

Of course you may feel that letting them know whether or not you still have access to these files may give away too much.

Posted by: -DS-

I'd love to see anything on Amorrow.

Posted by: Alison

Please not Amorrow. There are too many people outside Wikipedia being hurt right now - too many RL names - and again, it's in the hands of the police. I have a lot of things I'd like to say (esp. about the WMF) but I can't right now. Seriously - none of this is good.

Posted by: Kelly Martin

I second the call for NOT publicizing anything about Amorrow. I would, however, like to see anything you can find about Coren's resignation. He resigned once, then "unresigned" a short time later, and all evidence of his having resigned was eradicated. Surely there is something related to that. This was in July 2009, give or take.

Posted by: thekohser

Nevermind.

Posted by: Sololol

QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 2nd July 2011, 5:56am) *

Please not Amorrow. There are too many people outside Wikipedia being hurt right now - too many RL names - and again, it's in the hands of the police. I have a lot of things I'd like to say (esp. about the WMF) but I can't right now. Seriously - none of this is good.

After googling this creep I can see why.

Posted by: LessHorrid vanU

Further to a question http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration_Committee&action=historysubmit&diff=437474594&oldid=437469437, do you have any records of discussions outside of the topics already requested or otherwise released - especially any that you anticipated would be considered interesting? Are you interested in commenting on what proportion of the material you obtained has been made available?

I quite understand why you might ignore this request, of course. hmmm.gif

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

Tower: Not quite that stupid mate.

Amorrow: Going to burn in a special level of hell stalker "I'm going to kill you and rape your kids" type. WMF does nothing. Nuff said.

LHvU: Take a look at the growing list of requests.

Posted by: SpiderAndWeb

QUOTE(MaliceAforethought @ Sun 3rd July 2011, 12:54am) *

Amorrow: Going to burn in a special level of hell stalker "I'm going to kill you and rape your kids" type. WMF does nothing. Nuff said.


This is the guy who stalked Alison at work?

Posted by: lilburne

QUOTE(MaliceAforethought @ Sun 3rd July 2011, 1:54am) *

Amorrow: Going to burn in a special level of hell stalker "I'm going to kill you and rape your kids" type. WMF does nothing. Nuff said.


Of course not. Anything that might give the impression that there is anyone home, a twitch of the curtain, or a fart from behind the sofa, is to be discouraged at all costs. The Arbs are HOME ALONE whilst the officers of WMF are cashing their paychecks.

EDIT: Note that WMF have so far only been seen when there might be direct consequences for them personally.

Posted by: melloden

Malice, anything in the archives that might embarass the WMF? Arbcom seems to be blaming them for lack of adequate mailing list technology, perhaps someone should send them a wakeup call?

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 30th June 2011, 2:20pm) *

I was involved in numerous Arb Events back in the day, and I'm sure there must be a back-story which might be entertaining. For starters, http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=34099&view=findpost&p=277507 demonstrates that at least one arb (Iridescent) was fully cognizant of the whole racket being run by SlimVirgin and Will Beback, along with handmaidens such as Georgewilliamherbert. I am curious about any secret correspendence at the time of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Nobs01 and others (T-H-L-K-D), where I was placed on indefinite probation for the crime of suggesting that other respondents were being sanctioned in an inequitable manner. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Nobs01_and_others/Proposed_decision&diff=32160720&oldid=32159273 we see a Raul654 baleeting that embarrassing revelation. Slim 'n' Will managed, through adroit gaming of the system, to parlay that into a series of blocks, setting the stage for my eventual Community Ban by a community comprised of Will and JoshuaZ. So, any incriminating chatter from that period?
Thanks, Mal. However, Kelly Martin, who was in a position to know, says the really good stuff would be found in 2006.

Posted by: Sololol

QUOTE(melloden @ Sun 3rd July 2011, 9:50am) *

Malice, anything in the archives that might embarass the WMF? Arbcom seems to be blaming them for lack of adequate mailing list technology, perhaps someone should send them a wakeup call?

I think that will come in time. When/if a whiff of this gets into the press (Cade Metz is probably interested) they'll scramble like roaches. There's already a smorgasbord of material to embarrass them by association.

And another request for Malice Cooper. The Runtshit vandal holds the record for malicious death threat vandalism against a single editor. The primary identity of Runtshit isn't a secret. Were any steps ever taken to address Runtshit?

Posted by: SB_Johnny

QUOTE(Sololol @ Sun 3rd July 2011, 11:58pm) *

The Runtshit vandal holds the record for malicious death threat vandalism against a single editor.

Actually, if we're going to see the evolution of vandal chasing, maybe just go all the way back to Willy on Wheels!, just for kicks. (Though I'm not sure arbcom would have been the body in charge on that one).

Posted by: lenovo

I'd like to see the behind-the-scenes discussions of User:Durova's block of User:!! on 18 November 2007, and the ensuing arbcom case "Requests for arbitration/Durova" opened 25 November 2007, closed 1 December 2007.

Posted by: Somey

There certainly are a lot of requests! smiling.gif

We got one from the "peanut gallery" earlier today via e-mail. Around July 20, 2009 there was an arbitration request involving User:Bishonen and Jimbo, after Jimbo blocked Bishonen for (I would assume) stirring up more "Giano-related drama." I believe we covered it in this thread, and possibly a couple of others, and it probably dragged on for a couple of weeks on the mailing list(s).

I'm guessing the underlying rationale for the request is either to find out if the ArbCom ever maintained a "hands-off" policy towards Jimbo (I would assume so, personally), or to find out what led to Jimbo's apparent claim that he would stop blocking people after this happened... or maybe both, the person didn't say specifically.

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(lenovo @ Tue 5th July 2011, 3:15am) *

I'd like to see the behind-the-scenes discussions of User:Durova's block of User:!! on 18 November 2007, and the ensuing arbcom case "Requests for arbitration/Durova" opened 25 November 2007, closed 1 December 2007.


Oh, yeah! BUMP!

Posted by: Abd

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 5th July 2011, 9:01am) *
QUOTE(lenovo @ Tue 5th July 2011, 3:15am) *
I'd like to see the behind-the-scenes discussions of User:Durova's block of User:!! on 18 November 2007, and the ensuing arbcom case "Requests for arbitration/Durova" opened 25 November 2007, closed 1 December 2007.
Oh, yeah! BUMP!
Well, whatever Malice thinks. I'll agree this is of substantial interest.

I saw Durova as getting one very raw deal here. She'd made a mistake (probably!), but corrected it within 40 minutes, as I recall. Compare that to admins who make a mistake and never admit it.

The big flap was that there was a Sekrit Mailing List! Hah! What did people expect? There are secret mailing lists, there is IRC, not logged except for individual logs, and one or two whole wikis, at least, that are private.

Durova was a very straight shooter, as far as I could tell. She'd become involved in obsessive pursuit of socks, but I see ArbComm as defending that with others, or at least unconcerned about it, as a common practice.

ArbComm did not stand up for Durova. So why not? How was the committee divided on this, if it was?

Posted by: NuclearWarfare

Weren't the Durova/!! threads leaked a year or two back?

Posted by: SpiderAndWeb

QUOTE(Abd @ Tue 5th July 2011, 5:25pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 5th July 2011, 9:01am) *
QUOTE(lenovo @ Tue 5th July 2011, 3:15am) *
I'd like to see the behind-the-scenes discussions of User:Durova's block of User:!! on 18 November 2007, and the ensuing arbcom case "Requests for arbitration/Durova" opened 25 November 2007, closed 1 December 2007.
Oh, yeah! BUMP!
Well, whatever Malice thinks. I'll agree this is of substantial interest.

I saw Durova as getting one very raw deal here. She'd made a mistake (probably!), but corrected it within 40 minutes, as I recall. Compare that to admins who make a mistake and never admit it.

The big flap was that there was a Sekrit Mailing List! Hah! What did people expect? There are secret mailing lists, there is IRC, not logged except for individual logs, and one or two whole wikis, at least, that are private.

Durova was a very straight shooter, as far as I could tell. She'd become involved in obsessive pursuit of socks, but I see ArbComm as defending that with others, or at least unconcerned about it, as a common practice.

ArbComm did not stand up for Durova. So why not? How was the committee divided on this, if it was?


The biggest problem is that her "evidence" turned out to be laughably specious, and her arrogance and recalcitrance when asked to reveal her "sleuthing" methods and to promise to be more transparent in the future did not help her case.

I have nothing against Durova in particular -- she wasn't the first admin to allow a siege mentality to overwhelm her better judgement, nor was she last -- but I also don't think her treatment was unusually unfair.

Posted by: Abd

QUOTE(SpiderAndWeb @ Tue 5th July 2011, 8:29pm) *
The biggest problem is that her "evidence" turned out to be laughably specious, and her arrogance and recalcitrance when asked to reveal her "sleuthing" methods and to promise to be more transparent in the future did not help her case.

I have nothing against Durova in particular -- she wasn't the first admin to allow a siege mentality to overwhelm her better judgement, nor was she last -- but I also don't think her treatment was unusually unfair.
It was a mob, with pitchforks. Durova had methods of discovering socking that she did not want to reveal. She made a mistake, and admitted it practically immediately. I fully understand why she did not want to reveal her methods, and blocking based on private evidence was the mistake, and especially blocking without misbehavior on the part of the "sock." Yet the crowd that condemned her frequently support banning socks just because they are socks.

She made a mistake, and resigned, to avoid what she saw as inevitable disruption from the screaming mob. She eventually realized the implications: the screaming mob was Wikipedia. That's why she retired, to be sure.

You are right, SpiderAndWeb, it wasn't "unusual." That's Wikipedia! It eats those who serve it.

Posted by: SpiderAndWeb

QUOTE(Abd @ Wed 6th July 2011, 12:54am) *

You are right, SpiderAndWeb, it wasn't "unusual." That's Wikipedia! It eats those who serve it.


No arguments there.

Posted by: SB_Johnny

QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 5th July 2011, 3:46am) *

There certainly are a lot of requests! smiling.gif

We got one from the "peanut gallery" earlier today via e-mail. Around July 20, 2009 there was an arbitration request involving User:Bishonen and Jimbo, after Jimbo blocked Bishonen for (I would assume) stirring up more "Giano-related drama." I believe we covered it in this thread, and possibly a couple of others, and it probably dragged on for a couple of weeks on the mailing list(s).

I'm guessing the underlying rationale for the request is either to find out if the ArbCom ever maintained a "hands-off" policy towards Jimbo (I would assume so, personally), or to find out what led to Jimbo's apparent claim that he would stop blocking people after this happened... or maybe both, the person didn't say specifically.

I think any discussion where Jimbo is directly involved would help straighten out what his real status is, though in my experience he tends to keep a lid on the weirdness when he's on a mailinglist or other public/leaky forum.

Posted by: Somey

So there's material going all the way back to late 2005? That's around the time when Dave Gerard would have been claiming that he had User:Lir "under control" or "gainfully distracted" (or whatever he supposedly claimed at the time) on Uncyclopedia, thinking all the while that I was him.

Still, I doubt he would have posted any details regarding what he did when I found out about those suspicions and objected, so there's probably no point in looking it up - given that there are obviously far more important things in all that material.

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 5th July 2011, 11:26pm) *

So there's material going all the way back to late 2005? That's around the time when Dave Gerard would have been claiming that he had User:Lir "under control" or "gainfully distracted" (or whatever he supposedly claimed at the time) on Uncyclopedia, thinking all the while that I was him.

Still, I doubt he would have posted any details regarding what he did when I found out about those suspicions and objected, so there's probably no point in looking it up - given that there are obviously far more important things in all that material.


Gerard does love dancing on skulls, though. I can't imagine him not bragging about it. I suppose he would do it on IRC and not on a mailing list since IRC in 2005 was the "hip" thing to do.

Posted by: Guido den Broeder

Some data.


20080707 Indefinite block by Future Perfect at Sunrise on the false accusation of legal threats
20080801 Unblocked by Prodego
20080905 Indefinite block by Prodego on the false accusation of legal threats
20080909 Unblocked by Mangojuice after massive protests

This relates to the Abigor affair. He made legal threats against me, not the other way around.


20081023 Fourth block by Davidruben over CFS, evidence falsified

Administrator Davidruben belongs to the other side of a (still continuing) conflict over content. He kept falsely accusing me of editwarring. All these blocks as well as their length were heavily contested by CFS editors as well as other administrators.


20081219 Banned by William M. Connolley, no evidence of wrongdoing provided, falsely claiming the existence of a community ban in response to a complaint by me about mass deletions and editwarring by WLU on the topic of CFS

William M. Connolley banned me after I asked him not to editwar over spelling with another user (where he was in the wrong). He also belongs to the other side of the same conflict over content on CFS, and kept editing and removing my talk page contributions. A community majority asked for my unban, but were ignored by ArbCom.


20090521 Unblocked by ArbCom member Cool Hand Luke
20090521 Topic ban by Cool Hand Luke for CFS, no evidence of wrongdoing provided

ArbCom member Cool Hand Luke belongs to the other side of the same edit conflict over content.


20090601 Rebanned by Rlevse on the request of William M. Connolley, falsely claiming that I violated the conditions of the unban. This despite hard evidence by other users to the contrary
20090801 Email blocked by Rlevse, falsely claiming that I was evading my ban through email

Administrator William M. Connolly was subsequently desysopped for similar abuse of tools.
ArbCom-member Rlevse was subsequently banned for many kinds of abuse, and is currently evading their ban with sockpuppets.

20101219 Unban request filed
20110217 Unban request denied by PhilKnight, despite satisfying the condition of trouble-free editing on other projects (for many years, in fact)

Posted by: Sololol

A proposal: the massive volume makes the emails difficult to understand unless you've the requisite knowledge of actors and background. What about having a thread maintained by one of the knowledgeable regulars in which people could suggest summaries of interesting findings for inclusion in the first post (e.g., "Storing Checkuser data privately/forever is an accepted practice", "Basketofpuppies is Bstone", etc.) ? I can't imagine casual readers sifting through the emails and drama histories to sufficiently understand some of the most important bits.

Posted by: melloden

QUOTE(Sololol @ Wed 6th July 2011, 4:08pm) *

A proposal: the massive volume makes the emails difficult to understand unless you've the requisite knowledge of actors and background. What about having a thread maintained by one of the knowledgeable regulars in which people could suggest summaries of interesting findings for inclusion in the first post (e.g., "Storing Checkuser data privately/forever is an accepted practice", "Basketofpuppies is Bstone", etc.) ? I can't imagine casual readers sifting through the emails and drama histories to sufficiently understand some of the most important bits.

Also, can we just strip away the headers and the encrypted fields, so it just shows who the email is from? That clutter takes up a lot of room.

Posted by: Shalom

Malice, can you please fish out the archives on Cool3 in February 2010, and in particular, how ArbCom concluded that the new "Cool three" was a different person than the original "Cool3" before Thekohser compromised the Cool3 account?

I continue to harbor suspicion that "Cool three" really was legit, despite being told that he/she was an impostor trying to get adminship for the cheap.

A look at Arbcom-L threads would enlighten us on that piece of history.

Look around mid February 2010, per this RFA (see question 6 especially):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Cool_three&oldid=342933240

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

QUOTE(Encyclopedist @ Wed 6th July 2011, 9:04pm) *
However, I remain to be convinced that the horse has been replaced in the stable after the barn door has been closed. Or has it?


To borrow a line from Stephen Sondheim: I'm still here! evilgrin.gif

Posted by: Bishonen

QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Wed 6th July 2011, 1:32am) *

QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 5th July 2011, 3:46am) *

There certainly are a lot of requests! smiling.gif

We got one from the "peanut gallery" earlier today via e-mail. Around July 20, 2009 there was an arbitration request involving User:Bishonen and Jimbo, after Jimbo blocked Bishonen for (I would assume) stirring up more "Giano-related drama." I believe we covered it in this thread, and possibly a couple of others, and it probably dragged on for a couple of weeks on the mailing list(s).

I'm guessing the underlying rationale for the request is either to find out if the ArbCom ever maintained a "hands-off" policy towards Jimbo (I would assume so, personally), or to find out what led to Jimbo's apparent claim that he would stop blocking people after this happened... or maybe both, the person didn't say specifically.

I think any discussion where Jimbo is directly involved would help straighten out what his real status is, though in my experience he tends to keep a lid on the weirdness when he's on a mailinglist or other public/leaky forum.


I had read and write access to the relevant bits of ArbCom-L at the time (for fairness between the two parties, as Jimbo could walk in and out of the list discussion at his convenience). See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=303165818, which the committee agreed with. Letting me in as temporary list member was an act of trust which I appreciated: I certainly won't post any quotes from it.

But I simply must comment on "he tends to keep a lid on the weirdness when he's on a mailinglist or other public/leaky forum": nope, no lid in this case. I think he was too angry for lids.

As for "Giano-related drama", Giano was hardly involved at all.
Bishonen.

Posted by: Vigilant

Merkey!
Merkey!
Merkey!

"Hey! Nobody says the 'M' word!"

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 8th July 2011, 9:54am) *

Malice, can you please fish out the archives on Cool3 in February 2010, and in particular, how ArbCom concluded that the new "Cool three" was a different person than the original "Cool3" before Thekohser compromised the Cool3 account?

I continue to harbor suspicion that "Cool three" really was legit, despite being told that he/she was an impostor trying to get adminship for the cheap.

A look at Arbcom-L threads would enlighten us on that piece of history.

Look around mid February 2010, per this RFA (see question 6 especially):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Cool_three&oldid=342933240


+1

It is rather strange that this important event has (thus far) been absent from the leaks. Maybe the leaker is "Cool three"?

Posted by: The Joy

I am curious about Alienus (T-C-L-K-R-D) and the arb case against him. His http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Alienus ran from July 6th 2006 to August 20th 2006.

Posted by: -DS-

I would be interested in seeing anything regarding the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/A_Man_In_Black.

Posted by: Manning Bartlett

Greetings to those who know me.

I'd be interested to see anything related to the EEML case - late 2009.

I was the clerk on that case, and the conduct of one particular arb led to my withdrawal from the project.

As clerk I was strict but even-handed on this very contentious case. Numerous people received page bans for getting too heated. Most of those people, (eg Radek), accepted their punishment with class and dignity.

However when I applied the same strict discipline to a "special buddy" of an arb, I was quickly made aware that some editors were more equal than others.

Hence I'd be keen to see what was said behind the scenes.

Posted by: Somey

Welcome to WR, Mr. Bartlett!

I once considered being the "special buddy" of an arb, though, and I can tell you that the "strict discipline" is precisely what made me decide against the idea.

Posted by: Abd

QUOTE(Manning Bartlett @ Mon 11th July 2011, 12:19am) *
I'd be interested to see anything related to the EEML case - late 2009.

I was the clerk on that case, and the conduct of one particular arb led to my withdrawal from the project.
These people don't realize the significance of this kind of incident. People who are deeply committed to the project, when they run into the abusive governance, give up all the time. The damage is deep and long-term, and mostly invisible. People who point this out on-wiki end up banned, unless they have sufficient connections and clout themselves.
QUOTE
As clerk I was strict but even-handed on this very contentious case. Numerous people received page bans for getting too heated. Most of those people, (eg Radek), accepted their punishment with class and dignity.
Yes. Piotrus, in spades. That's what I saw myself, watching the case and him on the EEML list.

People, even arbs, used to say this about me, by the way, it can be seen in some leaked mail. Until I finally gave up on due process, which took about three years. Now I'm an outlaw, dangerous.

That case was one where the mask came of off "exemplary punishment." It was explicit, I'd never before seen this be admitted, usually the common wisdom was that the wiki does not punish, it merely protects.

Yeah, right.

Posted by: Manning Bartlett

@Abd, just for clarity, when I talked about 'page bans' and 'punishment', I am only referring to the discussion pages of the Arbcom case page which I was supervising.

As clerk, I did my very best to ensure that good conduct was observed on either side of the debate, and no-one was permitted incivility for any reason. (At least until the arrival of someone who was apparently exempt, according to an arb).

I had nothing to do with the judgments handed down by Arbcom when the case was decided.

Posted by: Abd

QUOTE(Manning Bartlett @ Tue 12th July 2011, 4:52am) *
@Abd, just for clarity, when I talked about 'page bans' and 'punishment', I am only referring to the discussion pages of the Arbcom case page which I was supervising.

As clerk, I did my very best to ensure that good conduct was observed on either side of the debate, and no-one was permitted incivility for any reason. (At least until the arrival of someone who was apparently exempt, according to an arb).

I had nothing to do with the judgments handed down by Arbcom when the case was decided.
I have not examined your specific clerking behavior during the EEML RfAr, but from your comments I'd assume that you were not harmful there. I've seen different results from clerks, mostly, though, it's ineffectual and ineffective clerking that is a problem. There was abuse aplenty during RfAr/Abd-William M. Connolley, revert warring by WMC and others during the case, on case pages and related notices, and the clerk was ineffectual, with actual damage being done as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=302052162&oldid=302051584 removing his name as a named party in the RfAr, editing my section. I explained the addition with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=next&oldid=302053217 I accidentally reverted Mathsci, because I'd gone to notify him and came back to add the diff and WTF? It was gone! I must have forgotten to save it! So I http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=next&oldid=302053762 and saved. It never occurred to me that Mathsci would remove his own name as a party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=next&oldid=302054067 What I'd seen with Mathsci was that he was clueless as to dispute resolution procedure, he'd long been protected by the cabal. How he got the idea that a party could remove themselves from an RfAr, editing the filing party's opening statement, is beyond me.

He removed the notification diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=next&oldid=302054802

I protested, but his repeated removal of himself was allowed to stand.

The case was renamed, apparently at the request of Enric Naval. This was a case of administrative recusal failure, and later it was confirmed that WMC was acting outside of propriety. By renaming the case, it was turned into a personal conflict, which is an error that ArbComm has made many times. Supposedly the conduct of all parties will be examined, but that was a joke. What a non-admin can expect, claiming recusal failure, even if it's blatant, as it was, is that every action of theirs will be examined with a fine-tooth comb, and there is hardly anyone where something looking bad cannot be found. It is wiki-suicide, and that's been shown again and again. I'd been warned that I'd be banned if I pursued these cases. I did it by the book. And I was banned.

Mathsci http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMathsci%2FArchive_19&action=historysubmit&diff=302052438&oldid=302052065 from his Talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mathsci/Archive_19&diff=next&oldid=302052438 However, the effect of his revert warring remained in place, and had I corrected it, I bet I'd have been blocked. I was, by the way, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Abd&diff=prev&oldid=302061464 For making what should have been my right, control of my section in the filing. Hey, AGK was neutral!

Posted by: Manning Bartlett

I'm aware of what went on in that case, and without casting any other opinion, I'll concur that the clerking was ineffectual.

Clerking is at its best when all parties to a dispute are made to adhere to good conduct and proper procedure, without regard for the agenda of any party.

My dispute with Arbcom arose because I was being made to apply different standards of conduct to participants, depending on how friendly they were with specific members of Arbcom.

This corrupted the entire system as far as I was concerned, and I wanted no part of it.

Posted by: Cla68

QUOTE(Manning Bartlett @ Tue 12th July 2011, 11:46pm) *

I'm aware of what went on in that case, and without casting any other opinion, I'll concur that the clerking was ineffectual.

Clerking is at its best when all parties to a dispute are made to adhere to good conduct and proper procedure, without regard for the agenda of any party.

My dispute with Arbcom arose because I was being made to apply different standards of conduct to participants, depending on how friendly they were with specific members of Arbcom.

This corrupted the entire system as far as I was concerned, and I wanted no part of it.


Manning, welcome to WR! if you name names, or at least link to the issue in question, it helps the readers know exactly who or what you are talking about. This isn't WP where you have to describe other editor's malfeasance in general, oblique terms so that you don't get accused of violating the NPA policy.

Posted by: Manning Bartlett

Cla68 - thanks but I'll continue to stay oblique. I only posted here to contact the leaker, not to raise a long-dead controversy. I've probably engaged in more discussion that I intended to already.

Cheers, Manning

Posted by: Abd

QUOTE(Manning Bartlett @ Tue 12th July 2011, 7:46pm) *
This corrupted the entire system as far as I was concerned, and I wanted no part of it.
I'd say that what happened was that you became aware of the corruption. It didn't arise at that late date.

Looking at the history of Manning Bartlett (T-C-L-K-R-D) , I see that you go back to 2001. There are not many left! You asked for and received your admin rights back in February.

Once Upon A Time, another user and I worked a bit on a project to collect stories of former significant users who had retired. Of the two of us, he was first to be banned, I survived for a few more years.

DYK that the admin who started AN/I later considered it to have been a huge mistake? It's been proposed how to fix it, it would not be difficult, ... but you can't fix things on Wikipedia, once they are broken, because there are too many who like things the way they are, they have learned to manipulate the existing structure. Broken structure, practically by definition, creates inequity favoring some group. And that group, by definition, then has excess power and will resist change.

It's like clockwork, it happens routinely in organizations where the structure doesn't prevent it, and about the only way to fix it is from some outside force or major revolution. Major revolutions, unfortunately, often don't address the real problem, poor structure, and instead just change the faces, believing that the problem was Those Bad People.

So intense is this assumption that, I found, I was considered, again and again, to be attacking individuals as Bad, when I was pointing out structural defects. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User:Abd/Wikipedia/List_of_self-reverted_edits where I've documented self-reverted editing (two examples from Wikipedia, one from Wikiversity) has been called an "attack page," because some assume that someone like me would be "attacking the bad people, belaboring old grievances," perhaps because that's what they would do. If that page is attacking someone, I'd appreciate it if someone would point out how and where! Indeed, please fix it!

Posted by: Sololol

Three related requests, all on political campaigners of similar stripes:
-Anything related to the JIDF/David Applebaum
-Jiujitsuguy August/September 2010: JJG was caught recruiting for a CAMERA style lobbying group. The evidence was damning (he was listed as the contact person) but his block was overturned pending ArbCom review or something. Nothing happened.
-The Runtshit vandal

Posted by: Malik Shabazz

QUOTE(Sololol @ Wed 13th July 2011, 12:15pm) *

Three related requests, all on political campaigners of similar stripes:
-Anything related to the JIDF/David Applebaum
-Jiujitsuguy August/September 2010: JJG was caught recruiting for a CAMERA style lobbying group. The evidence was damning (he was listed as the contact person) but his block was overturned pending ArbCom review or something. Nothing happened.
-The Runtshit vandal

For those playing at home, JIDF = Jewish Internet Defense Force and JJG = Jiujitsuguy

Posted by: Rhindle

To make it formal: C68-FM-SV (Cla68, FeloniousMonk, and SlimVirgin) Case opened 11:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC) Case closed 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

It could be a lot of work unless the arbs were just as mute about it privately as they were in public.

Posted by: chrisoff

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34306

Is it true, Malice, that arbs go by what is written on WR?

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Fri 15th July 2011, 5:31pm) *

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34306

Is it true, Malice, that arbs go by what is written on WR?


Read the emails and decide for yourself. The AC does seem to mention WR repeatedly.

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

One of our non-member readers sends the following request:

QUOTE
I don't give a shit anymore about that old MONGO case that got me, I'm long over that. But I'd be damned curious to see someone ask about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Attack_sites (September-October 2007) and WP:BADSITES.

That nasty shit was the direct progeny of what they did to me.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34400

I'm intrigued now. Are there any more Emails concerning Encyclopedia Dramatica or the GNAA?

Posted by: Encyclopedist

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sat 16th July 2011, 12:53am) *

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34400

I'm intrigued now. Are there any more Emails concerning Encyclopedia Dramatica or the GNAA?



Who gives a flying fuck what ED say? They are perhaps not liars, but merely invent their own truth, and have their own agenda, which is limited to their own particular strand of juvenile and irrational hatred. As far as their credibility goes, they are somewhat below "The News of the World", and I refer to the newspaper, not the Queen album. One day, perhaps, they'll grow up, and perhaps even evolve. But not yet. Acne-ridden 14-year olds seem to think that they can get away with anything on "teh Internets". They can't.

Posted by: Vigilant

QUOTE(Encyclopedist @ Sat 16th July 2011, 1:30am) *

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sat 16th July 2011, 12:53am) *

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34400

I'm intrigued now. Are there any more Emails concerning Encyclopedia Dramatica or the GNAA?



Who gives a flying fuck what ED say? They are perhaps not liars, but merely invent their own truth, and have their own agenda, which is limited to their own particular strand of juvenile and irrational hatred. As far as their credibility goes, they are somewhat below "The News of the World", and I refer to the newspaper, not the Queen album. One day, perhaps, they'll grow up, and perhaps even evolve. But not yet. Acne-ridden 14-year olds seem to think that they can get away with anything on "teh Internets". They can't.


Cue the music to Psycho...


Posted by: Mathsci

QUOTE(Abd @ Tue 12th July 2011, 9:50pm) *

snip


I couldn't work out whether this wikipedia account was Abd or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Abd_the_Cold_Fusion_Guy

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(Encyclopedist @ Fri 15th July 2011, 9:30pm) *
Who gives a flying fuck what ED say? They are perhaps not liars, but merely invent their own truth, and have their own agenda, which is limited to their own particular strand of juvenile and irrational hatred. As far as their credibility goes, they are somewhat below "The News of the World", and I refer to the newspaper, not the Queen album. One day, perhaps, they'll grow up, and perhaps even evolve. But not yet. Acne-ridden 14-year olds seem to think that they can get away with anything on "teh Internets". They can't.


As a sysop of both the original ED and the new one, I'm interested in how the Wikipedians were meddling with it. I want to see how Wikipedians such as http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34400 were "invent[ing] their own truth" and such. Your opinion on ED is valid, but I have obligations to that website.

Posted by: The Joy

How about the very first Arb Case on record?

Theresa knott vs. Mr-Natural-Health

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Theresa_knott_vs._Mr-Natural-Health

Feb. 6, 2004 to Feb. 11, 2004.

If you can't find this, what is the earliest Arb Case you can provide? I'm curious how the ArbCom has evolved since its inception.

Posted by: It's the blimp, Frank

How about the desysopping of SlimVirgin? Was there some discussion of what she was really guilty of, instead of what they publicly convicted her for?

Posted by: -DS-

Is there anything in the archives that explains why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.115.134.69?

Posted by: Text

Is there anything with:

- The Blissyu2/Zordrac ban
- Blu Aardvark ban
- Sergeant Snopake and Nathanr incident
- Melsaran mysterious ban
- MidnightBlueMan / Mister Flash ban
- VampWillow / AlisonW being one person with two admin accounts

?

Posted by: Alison

QUOTE(-DS- @ Sun 17th July 2011, 3:29am) *

Is there anything in the archives that explains why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.115.134.69?

That's Tyciol - see http://www.billygoatgoatse.com/component/content/article/93-dolphinsex and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Lolicon_Sample.png&diff=360864617&oldid=329425736.

Posted by: -DS-

QUOTE(Alison @ Sun 17th July 2011, 10:59pm) *

QUOTE(-DS- @ Sun 17th July 2011, 3:29am) *

Is there anything in the archives that explains why http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/174.115.134.69?

That's Tyciol - see http://www.billygoatgoatse.com/component/content/article/93-dolphinsex and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Lolicon_Sample.png&diff=360864617&oldid=329425736.


I like how you cited two links that no one will click anyway. tongue.gif

Posted by: Alison

QUOTE(Text @ Sun 17th July 2011, 12:19pm) *

- Sergeant Snopake and Nathanr incident

That's six years ago, Johnny. You still using that to http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Snopake+sceptre&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8?

Posted by: chrisoff

How long are people supposed to go back to? Seems like many many requests go back to 2008. Must have been an eventful year. tongue.gif

Posted by: Tower

I'd be interested in the discussion of the Aitias case

Posted by: Text

QUOTE
That's six years ago, Johnny. You still using that to troll Sceptre?


No, all the people who were trolling him faded away some years ago (mostly Miltopia, who wrote the page about him on the old ED). The whole story should be fun to read.

Posted by: chrisoff

Malice, tempers are starting to flare. Do you have more regarding this between Jimbo and Bishonen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&oldid=440040135#Time_for_a_change.3F

Accusations are flying!

Jimbo needs to explain himself. Defending silence.

what is going on between Jimbo and Bishonen?

Posted by: Silver seren

If there is one, I would like to see the discussion behind Zscout370's desysopping because of his involvement in the Carolyn Doran article wheel war when her...well, embarrassing past came to light. Apparently, three Arbs gave a steward the go ahead to desysop because it was an "emergency situation".

I would expect the discussion involving it to be short, but, considering what we've seen so far released, it might be far longer than I would ever reasonably expect.

Posted by: Milton Roe

QUOTE(Silver seren @ Tue 19th July 2011, 6:43pm) *

If there is one, I would like to see the discussion behind Zscout370's desysopping because of his involvement in the Carolyn Doran article wheel war when her...well, embarrassing past came to light. Apparently, three Arbs gave a steward the go ahead to desysop because it was an "emergency situation".

I would expect the discussion involving it to be short, but, considering what we've seen so far released, it might be far longer than I would ever reasonably expect.

Yeah, it was emergent organizational embarassment. WMF feels their own pain very clearly, but when something like that is a matter of public record for others, somehow WMF and WP just don't get it. In that case, they cleave unto WP:RS and damn the torpedos.

Who was this ass of a steward?

Posted by: Silver seren

I don't think he was ever named. Dmcdevit was the one who first sent the information to Arbcom, though it also seems he was in contact with the steward in question? I'm not entirely sure, it seems all a bit jumbled and a clear answer was never given, nor an apology (not surprising).

Feel free to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Archive_20#Zscout370_desysoped about it on the Arbitration talk page archive.

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 19th July 2011, 6:46pm) *
Who was this ass of a steward?

FYI, it was Badlydrawnjeff and Jon Harald Søby, supposedly. At the behest of glorious Dmcdevit. sleep.gif

Original Dec. 2007 WR thread http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=14634.

Posted by: Silver seren

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 20th July 2011, 1:57am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 19th July 2011, 6:46pm) *
Who was this ass of a steward?

FYI, it was Badlydrawnjeff and Jon Harald Søby, supposedly.

Original Dec. 2007 WR thread http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=14634.


Was Dmcdevit really in contact with either of them though? Because Dmc was the one who first deleted the Carolyn Doran article and it was Zscout who undeleted it, saying it should be taken to AfD, as the only issue with it was notability, which is an AfD issue, not speedy deletion or anything else.

So, if Dmcdevit was in contact with the same stewards that desysopped Zscout, furthermore, if Dmc was the one who "relayed" the agreement of Arbcom, there are multiple issues here.

I really would like to see that Arbcom discussion, if it exists.

Posted by: Kelly Martin

QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 16th July 2011, 8:38pm) *

How about the very first Arb Case on record?

Theresa knott vs. Mr-Natural-Health

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Theresa_knott_vs._Mr-Natural-Health

Feb. 6, 2004 to Feb. 11, 2004.

If you can't find this, what is the earliest Arb Case you can provide? I'm curious how the ArbCom has evolved since its inception.
The archives MA has access to only go back to about September 2005. Before that they were using a different listserv software and the archives were never (as far as I know) ported across to Mailman.

Posted by: EricBarbour

Man, if you ever need an example of a smug little boy gaining great power on Wikipedia,
Dmcdevit is perfect. He managed to reach Arbcom and Steward level, despite being a
mere college student with too much time on his hands. And after all that, he's still got
his admin bit.

Posted by: Detective

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 20th July 2011, 3:20am) *

Man, if you ever need an example of a smug little boy gaining great power on Wikipedia,
Dmcdevit is perfect. He managed to reach Arbcom and Steward level, despite being a
mere college student with too much time on his hands. And after all that, he's still got
his admin bit.

Dmcdevit was never a steward.

According to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dominic

* I am an administrator on the English Wikipedia.
** I was a previously had access to oversight and CheckUser.
** I was a member of the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee.
* I am an administrator on the English Wiktionary, and previous had access to CheckUser.
* I help respond to info-en and wikt-info-en on OTRS.
* I am the resident nag most places I go. ;-)

(Grammatical faults are in the original!)

Note that he has managed to lose oversight on WP, and CU on both WP and Wiktionary.


Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(It's the blimp, Frank @ Sun 17th July 2011, 3:14am) *

How about the desysopping of SlimVirgin? Was there some discussion of what she was really guilty of, instead of what they publicly convicted her for?


Are you talking about the temp desysop in 2008? If so that'll be in the C68-FM-SV omnibus thread when it hits the top of http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34228. If that's not your poison, when did this happen?

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(chrisoff @ Mon 18th July 2011, 1:28am) *

Malice, tempers are starting to flare. Do you have more regarding this between Jimbo and Bishonen?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&oldid=440040135#Time_for_a_change.3F

Accusations are flying!

Jimbo needs to explain himself. Defending silence.

what is going on between Jimbo and Bishonen?


I pulled everything from the block until they stopped talking about it. I'll go back later and see if we can't suss out why Jimbo is afeared of toxic dinosaurs (translation:look up what else Jimmy had to say before).

Posted by: The Adversary

QUOTE(MaliceAforethought @ Wed 20th July 2011, 8:32pm) *

QUOTE(It's the blimp, Frank @ Sun 17th July 2011, 3:14am) *

How about the desysopping of SlimVirgin? Was there some discussion of what she was really guilty of, instead of what they publicly convicted her for?
Are you talking about the temp desysop in 2008? If so that'll be in the C68-FM-SV omnibus thread when it hits the top of http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34228. If that's not your poison, when did this happen?
Nope, it was just after the C68-FM-SV omnibus case. It was decided http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Motion:_re_SlimVirgin#SlimVirgin_desysopped_.282.29. (And WR-folks discussed it http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=21260&view=findpost&p=143325. rolleyes.gif )

Posted by: Shalom

Malice, thank you for posting the Cool3 content.

Posted by: A Horse With No Name

Malice, is there any internal Arbcom debate about the Law/The Undertow situation? We know that at least two arbitrators - Casliber and John Vanderberg - had previous knowledge of what was going on before the masquerade was made public. And when the you-know-what hit the fan, half of the arbitrators (led by Risker) completely refused to answer a simple yes-or-no question on whether they were aware of this.

Posted by: Jagärdu

I think it is high time we get some of the Arbcom discussions about Cirt out here. Bump him to the top of the list. Arbcom's recent behavior surrounding Prioryman/ChrisO's involvement in Cirt's RfC makes it obvious that they are biased in this case. It would be nice to see some of their prior discussions of Cirt.

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Sat 23rd July 2011, 12:10pm) *

Malice, is there any internal Arbcom debate about the Law/The Undertow situation? We know that at least two arbitrators - Casliber and John Vanderberg - had previous knowledge of what was going on before the masquerade was made public. And when the you-know-what hit the fan, half of the arbitrators (led by Risker) completely refused to answer a simple yes-or-no question on whether they were aware of this.


I've seen mentions a few times during searches, just need the time to glue together everything to give a clear picture of who knew what when. Already on the list to be done.

Posted by: MaliceAforethought

QUOTE(Jagärdu @ Sun 24th July 2011, 4:40pm) *

I think it is high time we get some of the Arbcom discussions about Cirt out here. Bump him to the top of the list. Arbcom's recent behavior surrounding Prioryman/ChrisO's involvement in Cirt's RfC makes it obvious that they are biased in this case. It would be nice to see some of their prior discussions of Cirt.


By popular request (demand?) and since HRIP7 filled me in on some dates, we'll be doing these Cirt-related items next:

*The Hunger arbitration case (Cirt was called "Smeelgova" then): June to August 2006
*The COFS arbitration case (Cirt was called "Smee" then): July to September 2007 (note that Smee disappeared when the case started, and returned as "Curt Wilhelm VonSavage" the very day it was wrapped up).
*The ARBSCI case: December 2008 to May 2009

Posted by: Vigilant

Ok, ok, ok...

I'll do the heavy lifting for my JVM fetish.

A synopsis:

tl:dr; Jeff is a litigious guy who says many strange things and gets called on them ( http://scofacts.org/merkey.html and http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_S/threadview?m=tm&bn=2942&tid=355233&mid=355458&tof=-1&off=1)

Jeff Merkey got into it with the Linux community over the SCO Group's attempt to sue everyone and their dog, supporting SCO and Microsoft and badmouthing anyone who criticized them.
Variously, he (just hitting the highlights):
* made a bunch of stupid statements on the Linux Kernel Mailing List(lkml) and then attempted to tell a highly technical group that his computers had all been hacked.
* trolled the Yahoo! SCOX and groklaw message boards
* sued, pro se, over perceived online slights with bizarre legal justifications
* got active on wikipedia in his own special way and tried to control the article on himself and various other article groups(American Indian, plants)
* got setback on wikipedia for socking, being overly aggressive, etc and took a bunch of strange policies ("right to edit", "I paid, you can't ban me", "all gay admins must recuse")
* got repeatedly blocked, AN/I, RFC, ArbCommed
* eventually, prevailed on Jimbo to delete his article, to the relief of wikipediots everywhere

Merkey sockpuppets: (contributions are more useful since the user/talk pages have been largely deleted)
* A host of IPs that geolocated/trace routed to Jeff's home/work/etc
* Jeffrey Vernon Merkey (main account)( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey(subpages still intact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey/trolls))
* Waya Sahoni ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Waya_sahoni)
* Gadugi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gadugi)
* Peyoteman ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PeyoteMan)
* Sint Holo ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sint_Holo)
* Jvmphoto ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jvmphoto)

These are the main accounts with the largest number of edits.
There are at least 30 sockpuppets/IP accounts.

Major cases:
* (October 2005) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/67.177.35.25_vs._Fvw,_Pgk,_Exabit,_Kebron,_Lulu_of_the_Lotus-Eaters,_Mjpieters_and_Redwolf24
* (July 2007) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey
* (March 2006) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Waya_sahoni
* (October 2005) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Gadugi_vs._Fvw

Various Arb things:
* (September 2008) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive474#Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey_alleged_real-life_stalking.2Fharassment
* (July 2007) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive97#Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration.2FJeffrey_Vernon_Merkey
* (November 2010) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive72#Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey
* (August 2008) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive25#Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey
* (May 2009) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive41#Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey
* (October 2009) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive48#Jvmphoto
* (June 2010) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive65#Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey
* (February 2006) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive32#User_talk:Why_you_so_hawny.3F_and_User:Waya_sahoni
* (May 2007) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Jeffrey_Vernon_Merkey2

I've got piles more, but I think this list is already over broad.

Posted by: WordBomb

I'm interested in anything beyond what's already been posted pertaining to myself (Judd Bagley or WordBomb) and Gary Weiss (primarily as Mantanmoreland, Samiharris, janeyryan or johnnyb256).

Posted by: Rhindle

QUOTE(WordBomb @ Sat 30th July 2011, 3:40pm) *

I'm interested in anything beyond what's already been posted pertaining to myself (Judd Bagley or WordBomb) and Gary Weiss (primarily as Mantanmoreland, Samiharris, janeyryan or johnnyb256).


Have you seen this one? http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34229

Posted by: standixon

I don't often post and mostly lurk instead of logging on: however I came to the review starting with the first mention of Jeff Merkey at Groklaw and watching in disbelief the antics on WP and other venues. I'd like to second Vigilant's requests for anything Merkey related in these leaks.

I've always wanted to see what was behind the support some of the villains of WP, such as Slim, JZG aka Guy Chapman for Jeff Merkey. I could understand some people falling for the "I'm being trolled/harassed" routine but it should have been obvious that he was not really on the same planet as the rest of us.

Posted by: Ottava

Did anyone ever request stuff on Geogre? That would have been early summer of 2009. Utgard Loki was his other name. There could be many residual items that would have come up throughout 2009.

Posted by: SB_Johnny

QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 9th August 2011, 12:55pm) *

Did anyone ever request stuff on Geogre? That would have been early summer of 2009. Utgard Loki was his other name. There could be many residual items that would have come up throughout 2009.

I think Malice may have gotten a bit bored with us, since he's not so much the center of attention. You could probably give him some pointers, of course.

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Tue 9th August 2011, 5:46pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 9th August 2011, 12:55pm) *

Did anyone ever request stuff on Geogre? That would have been early summer of 2009. Utgard Loki was his other name. There could be many residual items that would have come up throughout 2009.

I think Malice may have gotten a bit bored with us, since he's not so much the center of attention. You could probably give him some pointers, of course.



Posted by: Rhindle

QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Tue 9th August 2011, 2:46pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 9th August 2011, 12:55pm) *

Did anyone ever request stuff on Geogre? That would have been early summer of 2009. Utgard Loki was his other name. There could be many residual items that would have come up throughout 2009.

I think Malice may have gotten a bit bored with us, since he's not so much the center of attention. You could probably give him some pointers, of course.


I think he's just waiting for the new fall season. There are plenty of reruns to keep up on though.

Posted by: EricBarbour

QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 20th July 2011, 2:37am) *

Dmcdevit was never a steward.

I stand corrected--he certainly acted like one.....
when he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Audit_Subcommittee/October_2009_election/Dominic for the audit subcommittee, he neglected to mention why his CU power was yanked.
Same for when they http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Dmcdevit_resumes_Oversight_and_Checkuser_access in 2009. But I can't figure out why his CU was removed. Anyone?

Posted by: No one of consequence

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Fri 12th August 2011, 3:48am) *

QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 20th July 2011, 2:37am) *

Dmcdevit was never a steward.

I stand corrected--he certainly acted like one.....
when he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Audit_Subcommittee/October_2009_election/Dominic for the audit subcommittee, he neglected to mention why his CU power was yanked.
Same for when they http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard/Archive_1#Dmcdevit_resumes_Oversight_and_Checkuser_access in 2009. But I can't figure out why his CU was removed. Anyone?

He http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ADmcdevit%40enwiki&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= his access while he was in good standing. Possibly just to take a break or because he was sick of the nonsense.

Of course, I got sick of the nonsense, gave up my access, and then created the Audit committee and got my access back to be on it, too, so I may just be projecting.

Posted by: Sololol

QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Tue 9th August 2011, 5:46pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 9th August 2011, 12:55pm) *

Did anyone ever request stuff on Geogre? That would have been early summer of 2009. Utgard Loki was his other name. There could be many residual items that would have come up throughout 2009.

I think Malice may have gotten a bit bored with us, since he's not so much the center of attention. You could probably give him some pointers, of course.

Can't blame him. Hopefully we've not seen the last of him.



Was it released in the secret forum?

Posted by: RDH(Ghost In The Machine)

Not a question but a comment:
You're my new hero Dr. House.
And the most exciting thing to happen to this place in eons!
wink.gif


Posted by: Sololol

QUOTE(Sololol @ Fri 19th August 2011, 1:14am) *


Can't blame him. Hopefully we've not seen the last of him.



Was it released in the secret forum?

Judging by the conspicuous lack of regulars posting in this sub-forum I'm going to assume and hope I'm right.

Posted by: Johnnyt471

I don't know if anything new is being leaked (it appears that the leaker hasn't posted in the last few weeks) but...

I'm curious about a few strange episodes in arbcom history. I know that some of the mantanmoreland stuff and the omnibus case have been covered, but I'd like to know a few specific episodes (let me know if this stuff has already been talked about...I couldn't find anything after a few cursory looks):

- Discussions relating to Sam_Blacketer's infamous "Nothing to see here..." motion to dismiss after months of solid evidence and debate in the Omnibus case
- Discussions during the Mantanmoreland case where everyone went apeshit after some arbs inexplicably claimed that the entire sockpuppet episode was probably a year-long secret plot by Bagley, then only giving a vague proposed finding that a "majority of arbs" weren't convinced due to certain unnamed "confounding issues."
- Discussions following jpgordon's demand that jayvdb retire from clerk for daring to block internet warrior Tony_sidaway after he spent far too much time trolling the talk pages

Simply curious here, for I am just a caveman lurker.

Thank you.

Posted by: GlassBeadGame

QUOTE(Johnnyt471 @ Sun 2nd October 2011, 9:43pm) *

I don't know if anything new is being leaked (it appears that the leaker hasn't posted in the last few weeks) but...

I'm curious about a few strange episodes in arbcom history. I know that some of the mantanmoreland stuff and the omnibus case have been covered, but I'd like to know a few specific episodes (let me know if this stuff has already been talked about...I couldn't find anything after a few cursory looks):

- Discussions relating to Sam_Blacketer's infamous "Nothing to see here..." motion to dismiss after months of solid evidence and debate in the Omnibus case
- Discussions during the Mantanmoreland case where everyone went apeshit after some arbs inexplicably claimed that the entire sockpuppet episode was probably a year-long secret plot by Bagley, then only giving a vague proposed finding that a "majority of arbs" weren't convinced due to certain unnamed "confounding issues."
- Discussions following jpgordon's demand that jayvdb retire from clerk for daring to block internet warrior Tony_sidaway after he spent far too much time trolling the talk pages

Simply curious here, for I am just a caveman lurker.

Thank you.


Thank you for sharing with us your self absorbed and obsessive Wikipedian concerns. You enrich all of the websites and forums that are permitted to join into your ceaseless conversation. Nothing could be more fascinating.

Posted by: Johnnyt471

the only part of that i will dispute is the word "ceaseless"

Posted by: GlassBeadGame

QUOTE(Johnnyt471 @ Sun 2nd October 2011, 10:08pm) *

the only part of that i will dispute is the word "ceaseless"

We can only hope.

Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky

Here's a new request, Malice. I got Carcharoth to agree to post the following message to the list in December of '09. I would be interested in seeing what was posted in response to it.

QUOTE
I understand that, despite being banned, I may request the opportunity to comment on this via email. I would like to make the following observations:

1. The tag-team of SlimVirgin and Will Beback has succeeded in controlling any mention of LaRouche at Wikipedia for five years now. Editors who questioned their edits were intimidated and, if plausible circumstantial evidence could be found, blocked as sock- or meatpuppets. They have flouted a whole array of core policies, but as far as the ArbCom is concerned, the most important relevant passage is the following from C68-FM-SV:

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/C68-FM-SV#Parties_specifically_instructed": Editing by a party in conjunction with one or more other users in a fashion constituting or creating a reasonable perception of excessively coordinated editing or of seeking "ownership" of articles or policies.

2. SlimVirgin and Will Beback have changed their line regarding the article in question. When the controversy over this topic began in 2004, every search engine hit on the internet for the landbridge was to a LaRouche publication, so they claimed at that time was that there was no such thing as the Eurasian Landbridge, that it was strictly a LaRouche fantasy, and so there should be no article about it. Now that there are abundant non-LaRouche sources, their line is that it exists, but LaRouche had nothing to do with it. In order to pursue this line of argument, they resort to the sophist's trick of defining "mainstream sources" as being exclusively English-language sources. Since the landbridge is at present primarily an issue for Russia and Asian countries, it receives scant attention in the English-language press, which is preoccupied with the usual coverage of Tiger Woods and other priority topics. But as far as the rest of the world is concerned, LaRouche's role in the development and dissemination of the proposal is in fact being underplayed in the article as newly written by Cla68. One of the sources used in the article is Asharq al-Awsat, described by Wikipedia as "the leading Arabic international newspaper." In the cited article, there is a statement (not included by Cla68) that
Recent years have witnessed a proliferation of ideas of LaRouche in China and South Asia, as the spiritual father of the draft back to life the new Silk Road or the bridge Eurasia...