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post Thu 27th August 2009, 8:30pm
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Now here's an RfA that'll likely be interesting, MZMcBride 3. I was wondering when we'd see this one.
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post Thu 27th August 2009, 9:30pm
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QUOTE(Ahypori @ Thu 27th August 2009, 8:30pm) *

Now here's an RfA that'll likely be interesting, MZMcBride 3. I was wondering when we'd see this one.

Why are commentators talking about him being desysopped? He resigned himself rather than take that sanction (cf. "you can't fire me, I quit"). In a not-especially-clever move, he then ran for RFA less than 24 hours later, while the case was still open.
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post Thu 27th August 2009, 9:47pm
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QUOTE(One @ Thu 27th August 2009, 5:30pm) *

Why are commentators talking about him being desysopped? He resigned himself rather than take that sanction (cf. "you can't fire me, I quit").

Same difference.
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 1:07am
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QUOTE(Ahypori @ Thu 27th August 2009, 4:30pm) *

Now here's an RfA that'll likely be interesting, MZMcBride 3. I was wondering when we'd see this one.


This is interesting? It's like watching paint dry. mellow.gif
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 1:37am
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 28th August 2009, 2:07am) *

QUOTE(Ahypori @ Thu 27th August 2009, 4:30pm) *

Now here's an RfA that'll likely be interesting, MZMcBride 3. I was wondering when we'd see this one.


This is interesting? It's like watching paint dry. mellow.gif


I think people should at least wait a bit before posting RFAs here.
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 2:28am
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Boring.

Could someone write the following on the RFA or something like it?:

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Oppose. I cannot quite explain it, but there is something about the user's contributions. It reminds me of a previously banned editor's editing patterns. I cannot place it, but I will do some more research and return with more evidence in the next few days. Be advised, I may be away during much of the duration of the RFA due to real world concerns, but I assure you all, I will bring evidence to my suspicions as soon as possible. Please assume good faith. ~~~~


Then, and only then, one can have a dramatic RFA. Surely, MZMcBride has made enemies with his bot army? Time for some narcissistic wounding! ohmy.gif

But, Somey has stated on the NuclearWarfare RFA thread that we really shouldn't bring up RFA's for the purposes of sport. However, an analysis of this RFA, or any RFA, can yield clues to the underlying problems of Wikipedia. That is, if we can keep the thread on such a topic and not "ZOMG! FRIDAY HATS KIDZ AND MZMCBRIDE!" or similar. Perhaps the sound and fury that caused MZMcBride to resign will not come back to haunt him and the WP Community is capable of forgiveness... or revenge!?! Can RFA help us to look into the very soul of Wikipedia?
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 3:06am
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 28th August 2009, 2:28am) *

Boring.

Could someone write the following on the RFA or something like it?:

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Oppose. I cannot quite explain it, but there is something about the user's contributions. It reminds me of a previously banned editor's editing patterns. I cannot place it, but I will do some more research and return with more evidence in the next few days. Be advised, I may be away during much of the duration of the RFA due to real world concerns, but I assure you all, I will bring evidence to my suspicions as soon as possible. Please assume good faith. ~~~~


Then, and only then, one can have a dramatic RFA. Surely, MZMcBride has made enemies with his bot army? Time for some narcissistic wounding! ohmy.gif


During his previous stint as an admin, MZMcBride deleted 804945 pages, three and a half times more than his nearest competitor East718. It is surprising that more of his victims have not opposed his request.
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 12:58pm
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QUOTE(Nerd @ Thu 27th August 2009, 9:37pm) *

I think people should at least wait a bit before posting RFAs here.


I don't fault Ahypori for creating this discussion - based on MZM's last RfA and his rambunctious history with the mop, I was expecting some roller derby action. Instead, it is quite the love-in, with relatively little dissent.

For that matter, NW's second RfA was also the polar opposite of the first go-round. I expected some more elbow-to-the-jaw action there, but outside of grouchy Friday there was no tumult.

So what is it? Do RfA regulars have incredibly short memories? Does time heal all wounds? Or did MZM and NW successfully game the system prior to their return engagements?

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post Fri 28th August 2009, 1:09pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 28th August 2009, 8:58am) *

So what is it? Do RfA regulars have incredibly short memories? Does time heal all wounds? Or did MZM and NW successfully game the system prior to their return engagements?

I think MZMcBride did some self-reflection and made a genuine change for the better. I used to think he was a right ass (and he probably had the same opinion of me =), but now we get along swimmingly.

Here's a pretty dumb comment:

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Oppose - I don't like you.!! (being honest here; unlike the others above me who gave dumb reasons for opposing you instead of coming out clean and saying what I just said) smile.gif..--Warpath (talk) 05:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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post Fri 28th August 2009, 1:41pm
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 27th August 2009, 10:28pm) *
Time for some narcissistic wounding! ohmy.gif

Which begs the next question over the developmental horizon: What comes next, after the community finally begins to tire of the banal sport of reciprocal injury?

QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 27th August 2009, 10:28pm) *
Perhaps ... the WP Community is capable of forgiveness... or revenge!?! Can RFA help us to look into the very soul of Wikipedia?

Aye, there's the rub. Whether 'tis nobler to take up revenge against a sea of troublevenders, or mature into a wiser model of community building.

Don't hold your breath. I expect that Wikipedia has a ways to go before it retires the really bloody mop.
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 2:22pm
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Just out of curiosity: who was the very first admin named by the RfA process?
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 2:28pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 28th August 2009, 2:22pm) *

Just out of curiosity: who was the very first admin named by the RfA process?

Possibly User:Quercusrobur, although this was first posted on the mailing list (which was the old process). Angela was the first to do it without a request from the mailing list, but that process bears little resemblance to the current RfA process.

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post Fri 28th August 2009, 2:31pm
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depends what you consider to be the RfA system.
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 28th August 2009, 4:06am) *

It is surprising that more of his victims have not opposed his request.


Victims?

QUOTE(Apathetic @ Fri 28th August 2009, 2:09pm) *

Here's a pretty dumb comment:

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Oppose - I don't like you.!! (being honest here; unlike the others above me who gave dumb reasons for opposing you instead of coming out clean and saying what I just said) smile.gif..--Warpath (talk) 05:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)



That's Warpath aka Cometstyles for you, who retired in a huff after he failed his steward election.
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 2:54pm
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Wow. And people wonder why I think that children are generally bad for Wikipedia rather than generally good.
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 2:58pm
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QUOTE(Friday @ Fri 28th August 2009, 3:54pm) *

Wow. And people wonder why I think that children are generally bad for Wikipedia rather than generally good.


What are you referring to?
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post Fri 28th August 2009, 7:48pm
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QUOTE(Friday @ Fri 28th August 2009, 10:54am) *

Wow. And people wonder why I think that children are generally bad for Wikipedia rather than generally good.


Well, you're not exactly what the doctor ordered in terms of maturity and intellectual prowess, are you? ermm.gif

What do y'all make of this MZM offering to our Lara: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=309095535 ? unsure.gif



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post Fri 28th August 2009, 9:33pm
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The photo's obviously a forgery - not by Shankbone.
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QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 28th August 2009, 10:31am) *

The RFA system
This is beyond corruption
This is beyond baseball
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QUOTE(Shalom @ Fri 28th August 2009, 10:43pm) *

QUOTE(Anonymous editor @ Fri 28th August 2009, 10:31am) *

The RFA system
This is beyond corruption
This is beyond baseball

Back then it was a relatively small community who felt that they knew each other, so a simple "I'd like to be an admin please" followed by your mates saying "Yeah, we'd like you to be an admin too" was arguably OK.

That's a million miles from what RfA is today though, or ought to be today.
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