IronDuke attacks Cla68!, more lessons in demagoguery Options

[gomi]

OK, now Lar (T-C-L-K-R-D) gets the smackdown from IronDuke. He posts, apropos of IronDuke's accusation of Cla's "meatpuppetry":

Your "resolution", above, appears to me to violate NPA, unless you get a consensus that it's actually the case. I suggest you consider refactoring. Even after all this time, it's inappropriate. Lar 01:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

ID summarily deletes the post, with the edit summary:

"(It would indeed seem that way, if you knew nothing whatever about the situation. I suggest you email arbcom if you're curious for more detail. Returning to my talkpage to apologize would be optional.)"

Question: Is this POV-pushing troll really being defended by ArbCom, or is this just bluster? Neitehr answer would be surprising, but it's always amusing to see how low Arbcom will sink.

[Cla68]

OK, now Lar (T-C-L-K-R-D) gets the smackdown from IronDuke. He posts, apropos of IronDuke's accusation of Cla's "meatpuppetry":

Your "resolution", above, appears to me to violate NPA, unless you get a consensus that it's actually the case. I suggest you consider refactoring. Even after all this time, it's inappropriate. Lar 01:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

ID summarily deletes the post, with the edit summary:

"(It would indeed seem that way, if you knew nothing whatever about the situation. I suggest you email arbcom if you're curious for more detail. Returning to my talkpage to apologize would be optional.)"

Question: Is this POV-pushing troll really being defended by ArbCom, or is this just bluster? Neitehr answer would be surprising, but it's always amusing to see how low Arbcom will sink.

We'll see.

[Milton Roe]

OK, now Lar (T-C-L-K-R-D) gets the smackdown from IronDuke. He posts, apropos of IronDuke's accusation of Cla's "meatpuppetry":

Your "resolution", above, appears to me to violate NPA, unless you get a consensus that it's actually the case. I suggest you consider refactoring. Even after all this time, it's inappropriate. Lar 01:19, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

ID summarily deletes the post, with the edit summary:

"(It would indeed seem that way, if you knew nothing whatever about the situation. I suggest you email arbcom if you're curious for more detail. Returning to my talkpage to apologize would be optional.)"

Question: Is this POV-pushing troll really being defended by ArbCom, or is this just bluster? Neitehr answer would be surprising, but it's always amusing to see how low Arbcom will sink.

Okay, I'll bite. I'd be curious as to what "ArbCom" would say about this rather incredible charge. I mean, what the hell have either of these two users have to say after 4 years of banniation, that Cla68 would still be repeating? Lyndon Larouche views, maybe?

Inquiring minds want to know. I'll bet it's the idea that SlimVirgin is evil, which Cla68 has actually sort of implied, over the years. But one doesn't have to know either HK or Gnet to figure that out for oneself. Trust me.

[EricBarbour]

As long as Lar feels the need to make ID's talkpage smell pretty....
what about this?

Lar, do you realize that this "cleanup" will just make ID crazier?

[Lar]

Lar, do you realize that this "cleanup" will just make ID crazier?

I am certain that you are incorrect. My faith in human nature remains unbowed.

ID is, I am sure, a reasonable and sane editor who will do the right thing as we all endeavor to keep WP a civil and friendly environment. Ball is in ArbCom's court. If they answer in the affirmative I will be delighted to restore the material, with an apology. If they answer in the negative, or if they don't answer at all, it needs to stay out...

As for other items on his page, not my primary concern. This is the particular one that caught my eye.

[Cla68]

Lar, do you realize that this "cleanup" will just make ID crazier?

I am certain that you are incorrect. My faith in human nature remains unbowed.

ID is, I am sure, a reasonable and sane editor who will do the right thing as we all endeavor to keep WP a civil and friendly environment. Ball is in ArbCom's court. If they answer in the affirmative I will be delighted to restore the material, with an apology. If they answer in the negative, or if they don't answer at all, it needs to stay out...

As for other items on his page, not my primary concern. This is the particular one that caught my eye.

Or we could ask for an ArbCom clarification, under the justification that IronDuke says that it is currently under ArbCom juristicdiction, and let IronDuke try to explain exactly why he's invoking arbcom's name as a reason for putting a personal attack on his talk page. I'm sure the new arbitrators would enjoy having a test case to start enjoying what it feels like being an uber-admin.

This post has been edited by Cla68: Fri 10th December 2010, 11:46am

[gomi]

It looks as though IronDuke has gone to ground again, after Lar pulled on his beard. How long will he disappear for this time?

Any response from Arbcom, Lar?

[Lar]

It looks as though IronDuke has gone to ground again, after Lar pulled on his beard. How long will he disappear for this time?

Any response from Arbcom, Lar?

No. I even checked my spam folder and everything.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Lar, you've been rather frisky lately, facing down both IronDuck and Will Beback in the span of one week.

[Gruntled]

Lar, you've been rather frisky lately, facing down both IronDuck and Will Beback in the span of one week.

Frisky, is he? Maybe he's been dosing himself on the stuff he gives his horses before they compete.

[gomi]

[Modnote: the discussion of beards has been moved to Wikipedia Review Review - gomi]

[Heat]

The shameful thing is that IronDuke didn't get topic-banned from Israel-Palestine articles when the rest of that crew, including Jayjg, did.

Which is puzzling, because he seems a lot more thuggish and heavy-handed than, for example, Jayjg, who would be more apt to couch his threats and insults in Wikipedia bureaucratese in order to evade the civility police.

IronDuke's over-the-top hostile approach actually reminds me of Mantanmoreland. Saying stuff like, "Cla68 has been repeatedly warned by admins to stop the behavior yet persists" or "Cla68 has been warned to stop meatpuppeting on behalf of a banned user" are exactly the same kind of things Mantanmoreland used to say. I suspect that if IronDuke ever was actually sanctioned, he would do the same thing as Mantan...wait a few months then start a new account(s) and get right back to it.

Just as an aside, Mantanmoreland is quite a name to choose give that the actual Mantan Moreland is remembered for his stereotypical portrayal of blacks in film. Might as well have called himself Stepinfetchit or Uncletom or even Pickaninny. It's only because Mantan Moreland is largely forgotten today (unless you saw Spike Lee's "Bamboozled") that the username wasn't banned for insensitivity reasons.

[Infomercial]

It's strange that Lar hasn't gotten word from ArbCom or IronDuke. Perhaps they're mutually keeping quiet to prevent further debate. However, IronDuke hasn't done a thing, a literal thing, since Lar removed the section. I presume he's just laying low until it all blows over. He may just sneak it back in when he's sure no one's looking. Unfortunately, I don't know how he works that way, so his motives may be less calculated than that.

[Heat]

It's strange that Lar hasn't gotten word from ArbCom or IronDuke. Perhaps they're mutually keeping quiet to prevent further debate.

Um, it is Christmas and all that.

[Milton Roe]

It's strange that Lar hasn't gotten word from ArbCom or IronDuke. Perhaps they're mutually keeping quiet to prevent further debate.

Um, it is Christmas and all that.

Yeah. IronDuke spent all day in mass.

[gomi]

It's strange that Lar hasn't gotten word from ArbCom or IronDuke. Perhaps they're mutually keeping quiet to prevent further debate. However, IronDuke hasn't done a thing, a literal thing, since Lar removed the section. I presume he's just laying low until it all blows over. He may just sneak it back in when he's sure no one's looking. Unfortunately, I don't know how he works that way, so his motives may be less calculated than that.

IronDuke (T-C-L-K-R-D) has a history of repeated disappearances, every time he comes under negative scrutiny. This behaviour is patterned on his mentor, Jayjg (T-C-L-K-R-D) , and is aimed toward long-term biasing of Wikipedia, not the cheap hit-and-run vandalism so common among others. After Cla68 called him out earlier this year, he disappeared for months, only to come back and post the message that led to this thread. With a lack of continuity in the short attention spans of the wiki-powerful, he can get away with almost anything.

[Heat]

It's strange that Lar hasn't gotten word from ArbCom or IronDuke. Perhaps they're mutually keeping quiet to prevent further debate. However, IronDuke hasn't done a thing, a literal thing, since Lar removed the section. I presume he's just laying low until it all blows over. He may just sneak it back in when he's sure no one's looking. Unfortunately, I don't know how he works that way, so his motives may be less calculated than that.

IronDuke (T-C-L-K-R-D) has a history of repeated disappearances, every time he comes under negative scrutiny. This behaviour is patterned on his mentor, Jayjg (T-C-L-K-R-D) , and is aimed toward long-term biasing of Wikipedia, not the cheap hit-and-run vandalism so common among others. After Cla68 called him out earlier this year, he disappeared for months, only to come back and post the message that led to this thread. With a lack of continuity in the short attention spans of the wiki-powerful, he can get away with almost anything.

As I recall, this caught up with Jayjg in the end (though it took longer and the punishment was probably less severe than had he not engaged in hit and run tactics). Has there been an RFA against IronDuke? Hiding tends to be counterproductive in those cases.

[gomi]

IronDuke (T-C-L-K-R-D) is back, after a month's hiatus, with this edit (and 8 more), judging the coast to be clear following the lifting of restrictions on Jayjg (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's editing.

No reaction to Lar's poke or Cla68 ... yet.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Mod's note: fans of Kwork's fracas may proceed to this thread.

[Milton Roe]

Mod's note: fans of Kwork's fracas may proceed to this thread.

I myself am not a fan of Kwork's fracas, if it's what I think it is, and I hope he keeps it covered in public. I did hear about a woman once who was actually shot in the fracas. It must be close to the yet, because the same article said the bullet was in her yet. Presumably having traversed the fracas.