Help needed, please use your researching skills..., JzG and others' historical statements on Wordbomb's claims Options

[Kato]

Following this post by Piperdown...

GWH and JzG's are treasures of Wikipedia Review. You guys should put these two into a WR Hall of Fame. Complete with a long list, including GWH's wikien-l diamonds, of their best work. By best work I mean the many ways they can declare the sky green. It's endlessly entertaining, and should keep W-R in high traffic-cotton for years to come.

Now that Wordbomb's long standing claims have been proved correct beyond reasonable doubt, I think it would be a good thing to review the many statements by JzG and others which ridiculed these claims month after month. They are all over the place going back a long time. Here's one from last week :

[Bagley] is an obsessive troll. And I thought we'd learned our lesson about "sleuthing" established editors. It's got nothign to do with that other site you're involved in, other than as the venue for Bagley publishing his possibly fraudulent evidence. I don't know why anyone would give him the time of day, he's so obviously off in laa-laa land on this subject.

and another...

Bagley is a known net.kook and absolutely not above forgery, the "evidence" he presents off-wiki is questionable not just because he is a vicious agenda-driven troll but also because the times have been called into question. In the absence of hard evidence, or indeed of evidence of an actual problem with the edits made by either account, I am strongly inclined to point Bagley in the direction of the colloquial version of Genesis 1:28 and leave it at that.

Here's one from December about the Register article on Judd Bagley:

Both the Register pieces are clearly polemical, the followup parrots Bagley's lunacy completely uncritically

[LamontStormstar]

Don't forget that JzG, SlimVirgin, Gary Weiss, and others like to give out WordBomb's real name in violation of Wikipedia's privacy policies.

[Kato]

Don't forget that JzG, SlimVirgin, Gary Weiss, and others like to give out WordBomb's real name in violation of Wikipedia's privacy policies.

One thing you have to say about this case, is that every man-and-his-dog at Wikipedia is now going through Manatanmoreland's contributions with a magnifying glass and openly speculating on its relationship with Gary Weiss. Examining everything from vacation times to queries about Weiss's wife! Admins are doing it. Arbcom are doing it. Even Jimbo's doing it.

This is all Wordbomb and people here had been doing for 2 years. But if Wordbomb does it, he is a "sociopathic", "violent" "stalker"?

[jorge]

One thing you have to say about this case, is that every man-and-his-dog at Wikipedia is now going through Manatanmoreland's contributions with a magnifying glass and openly speculating on its relationship with Gary Weiss. Examining everything from vacation times to queries about Weiss's wife! Admins are doing it. Arbcom are doing it. Even Jimbo's doing it.

I doubt that many people really are still trawling over his edits. Those that would do that did it long ago. I think there are very few people left that believe Gary Weiss is not Mantanmoreland/Samiharris/Tom Stoner etc. etc., it's just they can't admit it because they'll look either corrupt or stupid if they do.

Of course, the real reason why Weiss was protected, the elephant in the room that no one has dared yet utter, is that he took a strongly pro Israel and pro Judaism stance in his editing. I don't know whether he really does believe that Martin Luther was responsible for the holocaust IRL, but espousing such views certainly helped him remain invulnerable for so long.

[guy]

Of course, the real reason why Weiss was protected, the elephant in the room that no one has dared yet utter, is that he took a strongly pro Israel and pro Judaism stance in his editing. I don't know whether he really does believe that Martin Luther was responsible for the holocaust IRL, but espousing such views certainly helped him remain invulnerable for so long.

How is claiming that Martin Luther was responsible for the Holocaust being strongly pro Israel and pro Judaism? I am strongly against insulting Luther in this way. (Yes, I disagree with his views about Jews of course, but the Catholic Church has far more to answer for than he does.) If you mean that he's sucking up to certain well-known admins, that's a different kettle of fish entirely.

[jorge]

Of course, the real reason why Weiss was protected, the elephant in the room that no one has dared yet utter, is that he took a strongly pro Israel and pro Judaism stance in his editing. I don't know whether he really does believe that Martin Luther was responsible for the holocaust IRL, but espousing such views certainly helped him remain invulnerable for so long.

How is claiming that Martin Luther was responsible for the Holocaust being strongly pro Israel and pro Judaism? I am strongly against insulting Luther in this way. (Yes, I disagree with his views about Jews of course, but the Catholic Church has far more to answer for than he does.) If you mean that he's sucking up to certain well-known admins, that's a different kettle of fish entirely.

Guy, it is what I would call aggressively pro Jewish / pro Israel, going into the anti Muslim /anti Christian territory that gets admiring looks from the likes of Jayjg, SlimVirgin and others. This is something Gary Weiss was well aware of and for all I know the Martin Luther thing may well have been totally insincere on his part and was just a way of getting into the "clique" for him.

[guy]

Guy, it is what I would call aggressively pro Jewish / pro Israel, going into the anti Muslim /anti Christian territory that gets admiring looks from the likes of Jayjg, SlimVirgin and others.

I don't want to derail the thread, but Jayjg has more sense than to be anti-Christian. It's very easy to be rabidly pro-Jewish without doing that.

[jorge]

Guy, it is what I would call aggressively pro Jewish / pro Israel, going into the anti Muslim /anti Christian territory that gets admiring looks from the likes of Jayjg, SlimVirgin and others.

I don't want to derail the thread, but Jayjg has more sense than to be anti-Christian. It's very easy to be rabidly pro-Jewish without doing that.

Guy, it is fact that people who take a consistently pro Israeli/pro Jewish stance with smatterings of anti-Islam and even anti-Christian sentiment in Israel/Palestinian and anti-semitism articles get their backs covered by the "cabal". This is why Gary Weiss has been allowed to get away with this for so long.