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This has been posted by TCO on the FA talk page and seriously questions the value of FA to Wikipedia on Improving Wikipedia’s important articles!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...nt_articles.pdf

Are articles with high reader page views more important than "niche" articles by FAC regulars that get few views per month?

Is FAC a "walled garden" concentrating on "star collectors" (niche article polishers) that discourages NEW BLOOD and NEW IDEAS?

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Some FAC pros are rising to the occasion! At least one contributor of heavy hitting articles, not just trivia are way more open minded than the defensive FAC clique:

User:Truthkeeper88 is replying to TCO in an open minded way! And actually submitted one of her FAC's to an outside expert in the field for her aricle on Edmund Evans and got the response: "My pleasure! Congratulations on your exemplary piece, rich and full." And on her talk page, responds in a way that doesn't shut down the dialogue. Not defensive, not bragging but seeking to understand! Was even willing to interact with TCO when he was posting as an IP.

And others also, were open-minded, willing to consider and engage:

Hurricanehink says "I'll admit, being called a star collector made me more inclined to work on Hurricane Andrew, so for me at least, I welcome some criticism." He was motivated by the critique, not moved to be defensive.

Ceoil engages TCO in a real conversation on TCO's talk page than looks to lead to greater understanding of what is going on. A true exchange of ideas! And Ceoil didn't take TCO labelling him as a "dabbler" as a reason not to take analysis seriously. Rather, he accepted the label with good humour and opened the channels of communication

Hawkeye7 brings up real concerns in an open way, seeking feedback on the FAC talk page.

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(perpetually out grouper among the FAC regulars) brings up concerns about the need for leadership in FAC on the talk page.

Resolute
is offering good suggestions and advice on the FAC talk to reach out to other editors and be helpful to them in their efforts to produce a FA. Attempting to enlarge the small circle. Constructive! A Join Us message!

Perhaps this will be a FAC discussion with a wider group of participants than the usual crowd. New ideas! New blood! Real discussion without defensiveness.

Other signs of hope! TCO did a massive analysis. Good will come if the information can be used dispassionately, if the FAC regulars are willing to interact and don't shut down all chances of real discussion.

*P.S. But SandyGeorgia, don't waste all your energy trying to sandbag TCO and other "enemies" (as you perceive Kiefer.Wolfowitz to be). Like you are now doing by posting on Nikkimaria regarding a DYK request by KW and his post on TCO's page. Drop the stick!

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Editors are discussing and engaging. A wider group than normal are joining into FAC talk. Perhaps the FAC fear and intimidation will lessen. Editors new to FAC will feel more welcome.

TCO is not the enemy.

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chrisoff   Are Feature articles worth their salt?  
Ottava   The articles I worked on were all highly viewed an...  
Eppur si muove   The articles I worked on were all highly viewed a...  
chrisoff   The articles I worked on were all highly viewed a...  
radek   The articles I worked on were all highly viewed a...  
Rhindle   The thing is how long can an FA keep its status wi...  
Ottava   The thing is how long can an FA keep it's sta...  
Eppur si muove   Chrisoff - going off of views, here are mine (...  
Vigilant   The thing is how long can an FA keep it's st...  
radek   The thing is how long can an FA keep its status w...  
chrisoff   But if the FA is on a topic that hardly anyone rea...  
Malleus   Malleus brings up the Donner Party as a heavy hitt...  
chrisoff   [quote name='chrisoff' post='289211' date='Wed 23...  
Malleus   [quote name='Malleus' post='289216' date='Wed 23r...  
chrisoff   [quote name='chrisoff' post='289218' date='Wed 23...  
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Ottava   Read the study! You dismiss the Vital articl...  
chrisoff   [quote name='chrisoff' post='289218' date='Wed 23...  
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thekohser   Furthermore, a page on "house" will not...  
Ottava   Furthermore, a page on "house" will no...  
chrisoff   Why would that matter to a student? It isn't ...  
Ottava   Do you think Wikipedia is just for students? I...  
thekohser   Why would the page "House" be about the...  
Ottava   Why would the page "House" be about th...  
thekohser   And you did know who my brother was because you m...  
Ottava   [quote name='Ottava' post='289329' date='Thu 24th...  
carbuncle   Um, how did you miss that it was an obvious refer...  
thekohser   How do you get that from me saying that the page ...  
carbuncle   Do you think Wikipedia is just for students? ...  
thekohser   [quote name='thekohser' post='289250' date='Wed 2...  
SB_Johnny   I'll assume from your response that, no, you ...  
Malleus   I'll assume from your response that, no, you...  
Eppur si muove   An article like Samuel Johnson (chosen because ...  
chrisoff   Ottava, this study concentrates on recent FA...  
timbo   Feature Articles are a crock, plain and simple -- ...  
timbo   I've just taken a look at that pdf at the top ...  
chrisoff   Summary recommendations: *For authors" chang...  
chrisoff   [quote name='chrisoff' post='289211' date='Wed 23...  
chrisoff   You can bet that Iridescent (the Arbcom member who...  
chrisoff   So SandyGeorgia responds by insulting TCO's ba...  
chrisoff   FAC sets a precedent of gender-based insults. FA e...  
EricBarbour   How many times do I have to tell you clowns: ...  
The Joy   How many times do I have to tell you clowns: ...  
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Alison   I talked to Durova about doing just that. Many of...  
Peter Damian   I talked to Durova about doing just that. Many o...  
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Alison' post='289459' date='Sat 26th...  
Jim   I doubt anyone much goes to Wikipedia through its...  
Jim   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='289427' date='Fri...  
chrisoff   Wasn't that kinda what [wp]Veropedia was all ...  
Malleus   Wasn't that kinda what [wp]Veropedia was all...  
chrisoff   You confuse sole nominators with sole contributor...  
Malleus   You confuse sole nominators with sole contributo...  
chrisoff   You still don't seem to have quite got it. Ho...  
Ottava   I'm confused as to why people would mention Ve...  
chrisoff   I'm confused as to why people would mention V...  
chrisoff   It's just strange why the "FAC regulars...  
SB_Johnny   here. ]  
Mister Die   As others have said, the big problem with Featured...  
Mister Die   I feel that featured articles should be treated as...  
chrisoff   SandyGeorge has been warned to stop the personal a...  
chrisoff   A new idea for a competing FAC! This is a sa...  
Mister Die   No comment.  
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radek   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='296935' date='Tue 7...  
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Selina   lol! I beat you to that one Joy :) (look for t...  
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Mister Die   So the American Declaration of Independence and Ju...  


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