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Posted by: Peter Damian
The eccentric http://wikidefender.blogspot.com/2008/03/malignant-malcontent-giano-still-on.html leaves a message on FT2's talk page.
FT2 thinking it is a compliment leaves a long-winded and boring reply. Below - I think he has now oversighted it or something as it doesn't appear on the talk history. [My bold - FT clearly needs irony spectacles].
QUOTE
Thank you for making the difficult decisions
First, thank you for welcoming me to your userpage. You have very good manners.I feel as if I have found my home away from home. I digress...
Our mailing lists are abuzz with praise for your challenging yet necessary actions in blocking Giano. His persistant misogyny, which Thatcher pointed out, is of great concern to us. This behavior must not be tolerated. He has run amuck for far too long on our Project, as his block log indicates. I blogged about this debacle here. I nearly quit blogging for good, but your actions inspired me to keep up the good fight. Thank you for defending the Wiki. Godspeed. The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
As much as I'd like to accept something like this, I can't. It wasn't done "for" anyone, or for any group, or anything like that. It was done because it needed doing. I wrote WP:DBF back in 2005 and it's still a good recap of things. Giano is a user, not a "challenge" or anything, and blocking is never a game or anything to be done lightly. I wasn't aware of the "female" issue you and Thatcher picked up on, and I could care less on the politicking. An editor was under a remedy to be civil, and wasn't civil, chances got given, normal judgement and action follows, pretty much. That's really all. I don't agree with the strong words and portrayal in your blog (though I respect your right to hold them), I don't feel Giano deserves all the bad names it states, and I'm not inclined to support some call to arms as you seem to wish. The blog is more aggressive and overstated/overhyped than it needs to be. The only aspect that needed thinking about was deciding if the line had been crossed where some formal action was appropriate (as opposed to deferring action) and if his uncivil conduct was harmful to the project, and that was not at all difficult.
The best defense of the wiki (and this applies to Giano as well) is to not provoke division and to step by step cut down on pointless unproductive bad conduct by editors to editors, so that we can all focus on content writing, and genuine content-related matters worthy of attention, more.
My main wish is just that Giano will remember to be civil to others in a way that his gifts and desire to help does not come in parallel with a wish to verbally hurt the efforts and motivation of others too. And -- welcome. FT2 (Talk | email) 19:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2"
Posted by: Jonny Cache
Wut joke!?
Jonny
Posted by: dtobias
It doesn't seem to be oversighted or even blanked or deleted; the comments in question are right there now.
Posted by: Somey
And how is he "eccentric"? He sounds pretty run-of-the-mill, for WP anyway. I guess that may be a self-contradictory description...
Posted by: wikiwhistle
Defender of the wiki's blog is 'eccentric' in as much as it's a spoof- if this is the same bloke as 'wikidefender'. Is that what you meant, peter?
http://wikidefender.blogspot.com
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(dtobias @ Thu 27th March 2008, 8:25pm)
It doesn't seem to be oversighted or even blanked or deleted; the comments in question are right there now.
How strange. If I look at the talk page history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FT2&action=history
I see none of the edits (all made after the 17:08 edit, 27 March).
The talk page itself has nothing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2
Maybe my browser wrong?
QUOTE
And how is he "eccentric"? He sounds pretty run-of-the-mill, for WP anyway. I guess that may be a self-contradictory description...
YOu're kidding. You've read the blog, right?
Read the blog.
http://wikidefender.blogspot.com/2008/03/malignant-malcontent-giano-still-on.html
QUOTE
Why must we allow him to keep creating headaches for us? Is it all because of a few stupid articles that do not get half as many hits as the article about blowjobs? Is the content he provides really that important? Our readers do not seem to think so. It is time for a Great Leader, such as FT2, to tell him he can take all the architecture related crap that he writes and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Who gives a rats patooty about architecture anyway? There are certainly more important articles out there, zoophilia being one example.
But read the blog, because it's much funnier with the links in place.
QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Thu 27th March 2008, 9:17pm)
Defender of the wiki's blog is 'eccentric' in as much as it's a spoof- if this is the same bloke as 'wikidefender'. Is that what you meant, peter?
http://wikidefender.blogspot.com
Yes. I linked to it right at the beginning of this thread, but no one followed it, clearly. Except for dear Wikiwhistle. God bless you.
[edit] But who is the Wiki defender? The sense of humour reminds me of our dearly beloved the Kohs.
Contributions for Defender of the Wiki here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Defender_of_the_Wiki
The one on Giano's page was deleted by Giano. The defender also defends the Wiki against vandalism here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.73.156.111&diff=prev&oldid=201368151
and removes the vandalism here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_of_the_Beasts&diff=prev&oldid=201367782
but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.
Posted by: wikiwhistle
There's been a thread or so here about the wikiD blog. I didn't spot your link. Not sure if it's the same bloke as DotW.
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Thu 27th March 2008, 9:27pm)
There's been a thread or so here about the wikiD blog. I didn't spot your link. Not sure if it's the same bloke as DotW.
It clearly is, because he says so on Giano's and FT2's pages. E.g. the diff to Giano's page. Follow the link to his blog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&diff=prev&oldid=201381511
QUOTE
Your deplorable actions
Your attack/talk page above states the following:
One is now blocked for persisting in requesting an answer to why Flo and Arbs did a complete "U" turn.
Allow me to correct you: You were blocked for your persistant mysogony and inspiring extraneous hoopla.
Your unrelentingness in badgering Flo in particular is noted, and I thank Thatcher for pointing out that Flo does not have male genitalia. I mention this in my impressive and hard-hitting blog post here, which chronicles the salacious stunts that you pulled yesterday. Doc makes a good point (which you removed); he did not participate in the conversation to fix the channel, because there is nothing to fix! Why can't you see that, as intelligent people like Doc and FT2 do?
I suggest that you stay in the crate that Arbcom astutely fabricated for you, so that you can continue writing your articles (since you seem to like them), while not inciting wiki-riots. This is the best scenario for all involved. Ciao, The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II"
Posted by: dtobias
Is there a policy on WP:EXTRANEOUS-HOOPLA now?
Posted by: Moulton
QUOTE(dtobias @ Thu 27th March 2008, 6:27pm)
Is there a policy on WP:EXTRANEOUS-HOOPLA now?
That would be a corollary of the WP Credo,
Don't Be Silly.
Posted by: Robster
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 5:23pm)
Contributions for Defender of the Wiki here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Defender_of_the_Wiki
The one on Giano's page was deleted by Giano. The defender also defends the Wiki against vandalism here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.73.156.111&diff=prev&oldid=201368151
and removes the vandalism here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_of_the_Beasts&diff=prev&oldid=201367782
but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.
Geobytes locates 70.73.156.111 at Shaw Cable in Toronto.
So the Defender may be Canadian?
Posted by: bluevictim
QUOTE(Robster @ Thu 27th March 2008, 4:39pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 5:23pm)
Contributions for Defender of the Wiki here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The_Defender_of_the_Wiki
The one on Giano's page was deleted by Giano. The defender also defends the Wiki against vandalism here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:70.73.156.111&diff=prev&oldid=201368151
and removes the vandalism here
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_of_the_Beasts&diff=prev&oldid=201367782
but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.
Geobytes locates 70.73.156.111 at Shaw Cable in Toronto.
So the Defender may be Canadian?
Yes, and don't forgert that Shaw is the ISP used by both Crum375 and Slimvirgin (who are two different people, but Crum375 seems to be a meatpuppet of Slim and helps her out with a handy block button), so it may be one or both of them.
Posted by: wikiwhistle
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 5:23pm)
but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.
You think so just because the vandalism was only 2 minutes prior? Only, sadly enough lol, I sometimes look at Recent Changes on wiki, and revert vandalism quite quickly.
look here- has he been blocked tonight?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User:The_Defender_of_the_Wiki
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 9:33pm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&diff=prev&oldid=201381511
QUOTE
Your deplorable actions
Your attack/talk page above states the following:
One is now blocked for persisting in requesting an answer to why Flo and Arbs did a complete "U" turn.
Allow me to correct you: You were blocked for your persistant mysogony and inspiring extraneous hoopla.
Your unrelentingness in badgering Flo in particular is noted, and I thank Thatcher for pointing out that Flo does not have male genitalia. I mention this in my impressive and hard-hitting blog post here, which chronicles the salacious stunts that you pulled yesterday. Doc makes a good point (which you removed); he did not participate in the conversation to fix the channel, because there is nothing to fix! Why can't you see that, as intelligent people like Doc and FT2 do?
I suggest that you stay in the crate that Arbcom astutely fabricated for you, so that you can continue writing your articles (since you seem to like them), while not inciting wiki-riots. This is the best scenario for all involved. Ciao, The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II"
You know things are bad at WP when the over-the-top Wikidefender sometimes doesn't even sound facetious.
So, is Flonight a 49 year-old female Kentuckian named Sydney??
And what's with the zoophilia hoopla, anyway? Didn't you all see Mike Rowe artificially inseminating a sow on
Dirty Jobs? He had to use a probe and sit on the sow's back to get the oxytocin going. If this is justifiable in the name of makin bacon, why not for the love of pigs? And he says in his commericals that the pig never calls him....
Posted by: thekohser
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 5:23pm)
But who is the Wiki defender? The sense of humour reminds me of our dearly beloved the Kohs.
Though I am fond of most things Canada, 'tis not I.
I do know the identity of the Wiki Defender, but I presume the comedy-drama remains all the more heightened with my secret kept safe.
Greg
Posted by: The Joy
I thought the Defender admitted he was Relato Somethingorother? Maybe I missed the joke as well.
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 28th March 2008, 4:41am)
Maybe I missed the joke as well.
FT2 spent about 20 minutes replying to the defender
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20080328&limit=20&target=FT2
under the impression it was serious. Then he realises it's a spoof, presumably when he saw the labrador bit. So he deletes it from his talk page, and history.
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 28th March 2008, 12:06am)
And what's with the zoophilia hoopla, anyway? Didn't you all see Mike Rowe artificially inseminating a sow on Dirty Jobs?
One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.
Posted by: Random832
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:38am)
One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.
And you're doing their job for them by just saying it's a "standard argument they use" without pointing out why the argument is flawed. For example, the reason artificial insemination etc, is different is that it serves a legitimate purpose that benefits either the individual animal or its species, whereas zoophilia does not.
Posted by: Giano
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:38am)
QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 28th March 2008, 4:41am)
Maybe I missed the joke as well.
FT2 spent about 20 minutes replying to the defender
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20080328&limit=20&target=FT2
under the impression it was serious. Then he realises it's a spoof, presumably when he saw the labrador bit. So he deletes it from his talk page, and history.
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 28th March 2008, 12:06am)
And what's with the zoophilia hoopla, anyway? Didn't you all see Mike Rowe artificially inseminating a sow on Dirty Jobs?
One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.
Here is something very funny. FT2 was not the only one fooled. I gave it a quick glance when the "You have new messages" flashed up - and reverted it thinking it was completely genuine too, it was a good while later when everyone else was laughing and emailing that I re-read it in the history and realised it was a spoof. I'm not sure if that says more about me, or the type of people who post on my page.
Giano
Posted by: Moulton
It's the Borat Effect -- doing a comedy routine in a similar way as a sincere (if slightly daffy) journalist.
When the camel pokes its nose into the tent, and some innovative comedian milks it for all it's worth, that morphs the comedy-drama into a dromedary (or is that drama dairy?).
Posted by: Kato
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 28th March 2008, 3:56am)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 5:23pm)
But who is the Wiki defender? The sense of humour reminds me of our dearly beloved the Kohs.
Though I am fond of most things Canada, 'tis not I.
I do know the identity of the Wiki Defender, but I presume the comedy-drama remains all the more heightened with my secret kept safe.
Greg
It's isn't me either. I wish I'd come up with the idea.
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(Giano @ Fri 28th March 2008, 2:30pm)
Here is something very funny. FT2 was not the only one fooled. I gave it a quick glance when the "You have new messages" flashed up - and reverted it thinking it was completely genuine too, it was a good while later when everyone else was laughing and emailing that I re-read it in the history and realised it was a spoof. I'm not sure if that says more about me, or the type of people who post on my page.
Giano
But you presumably read the talk message only, which looked genuine (given the sort of nonsense that people write on talk pages these days). FT2, on the other, hand, clearly went to the trouble of reading the whole blog (since he comments on its contents) without realising it's a spoof. Plus 40 minutes of a carefully crafted reply that he then has to delete.
And now I see FT2 has been awarded the 'Barnstar of Peace'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:FT2&diff=prev&oldid=201595336
[edit] Just noticed another humorous touch in the blog. The Zoophilia link doesn't actually go to the Zoophilia artice, as I had assumed.
Posted by: wikiwhistle
WikiD shouldn't have been indef blocked. He only made 5 edits, and 2 of them were to revert and warn a vandal/test edit.
They shouldn't block with the subtext that it's because of his blog, when it's just a bit of fun anyway.
Posted by: BobbyBombastic
QUOTE(Robster @ Thu 27th March 2008, 7:39pm)
Geobytes locates 70.73.156.111 at Shaw Cable in Toronto.
So the Defender may be Canadian?
Perhaps written by a pair of http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/mackdogs.html? (as WD might say).
Posted by: Peter Damian
QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Fri 28th March 2008, 5:56pm)
WikiD shouldn't have been indef blocked. He only made 5 edits, and 2 of them were to revert and warn a vandal/test edit.
They shouldn't block with the subtext that it's because of his blog, when it's just a bit of fun anyway.
And the comment on the block is
QUOTE
Trolling. I think there is an encyclopedia somewhere around here, you know
Oh of course. We are building an encyclopedia.
Posted by: wikiwhistle
QUOTE
Trolling. I think there is an encyclopedia somewhere around here, you know
That, when 2 of his 5 edits were dealing with vandalism on that encyclopedia.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Random832 @ Fri 28th March 2008, 2:05pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:38am)
One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.
And you're doing their job for them by just saying it's a "standard argument they use" without pointing out why the argument is flawed. For example, the reason artificial insemination etc, is different is that it serves a legitimate purpose that benefits either the individual animal or its species, whereas zoophilia does not.
You mean it benefits the porcine species by breeding them faster toward making then bigger, fatter and tastier? I don't really think that's a species benefit, unless it's OUR species that benefits. Big Brother say in newspeak that we not do artsem on pigs for good of pigs, but rather for plusgood of State, which want eat plusgood pigs.
BTW, I hear they don't have Canadian Bacon in Canada.
Just plusgood "ham". Newspeak approves! Also, Canada already have doubleplus good Ingsoc.
QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Fri 28th March 2008, 5:56pm)
WikiD shouldn't have been indef blocked. He only made 5 edits, and 2 of them were to revert and warn a vandal/test edit.
They shouldn't block with the subtext that it's because of his blog, when it's just a bit of fun anyway.
But how are they supposed to tell it's a bit of fun without a fun-sticker? It's like the fundamentalist Republicans trying to figure out if Stephen Colbert is serious or not. Poor things. WikiDefender is merely Colbert for Wikipedia.
Posted by: wikiwhistle
Artiificial insemination is necessary for breeding for food. When producing animals for food, they allegedly seek to avoided excessive cruelty (like 'raping' an animal for no reason) nowadays.
Anyway, zoophilia is generally just viewed as a bit gross and ewwwww, isn't it. Whereas most non-vegetarians accept that producing new animals artificially is necessary if we want to eat meat without having to wait around for it to be conceived out of the whims of nature.
Posted by: Random832
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:41pm)
You mean it benefits the porcine species by breeding them faster toward making then bigger, fatter and tastier?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coevolution.
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Random832 @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:53pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:41pm)
You mean it benefits the porcine species by breeding them faster toward making then bigger, fatter and tastier?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coevolution.
LOL
Well, then, I can make the same argument for the undoubted zoophilic selection of animals with the most satisfactory vaginas. No, the act of zoophilia doesn't cause breeding directly, but then neither does stroking a cat with a soft or colorful coat. But if you like that, you'll make more cats like that. So add one more charactistic to be selected on. You can't have this argument both ways.
Posted by: Peter Damian
And here is Wiki defender's unblock request.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Defender_of_the_Wiki&diff=prev&oldid=201754932
Completely off the wall but very good fun for all that.
QUOTE
It is Friday evening and I have just made a cocktail. I logged in to work on a pet article of mine (GA status is not far off) and have found that I have been blocked erroneously. The block log states:
(account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Trolling. I think there is an encyclopedia somewhere around here, you know.)
This is undoubtedly a case of friendly fire, since:
I am the antithesis of a troll.
I am well aware there is an encyclopedia, I spend hours upon hours trying to figure out ways to defend it, hence my clever username. I have a blog where I deliver crushing counterblows to the tactics of the trolls. I've been told that I am changing lives with my punishing yet perceptive prose. Take that for what you will.
Undeniably, a mistake was made. Dmcdevit and I are kindred spirits; Two friends nationally recognized for their unique and original counter-trolling abilities. I understand what it is like to battle bellicose belligerents and accidentally mis-fire towards an ally; however, I anxiously anticipate the hour that this mistaken block is lifted. It is highly probable that this block was meant for a certain malignant malcontent I recently blogged about and I am collateral damage from an attempt to expel the encyclopedia of his irrelevant ruckus causing actions.
Nevertheless, I have considered the remote possibility that this block was not made in error; in the interests of WP:AGF, I will not opine on this harrowing possibility any further. That said, I will state, in no uncertain terms, I am a very important person. People like me. When I talk, people listen. When I move, things get done. I'm tough as dirt, I'm mean as blood. Where I step the weeds die. I urinate gasoline and defecate vegetables. I will appeal this block to the highest levels of the Wikimedia Foundation, if necessary, and when this juggernaut is set into motion, it will be irreversible.
Be that as it may, I note that the unstable trolls and monstrous miscreants are discussing the unblock of a paid homicidal sadist. Before I make my appeal for sense and reason to the WMF, who will absolutely overturn this block, I suggest that we follow the chain of command and put the block up for review on WP:AN or (my personal favorite) WP:AN/I. This block is clearly a provocative and pernicious incident; if there was ever a block worthy of review by my informed and judicial associates at AN/I, this is it. I suggest that the title heading be named "Woeful and potentially wicked block of The Wiki Defender".
I am here for some very crucial reasons, because some admirable and heavenly seraphs have asked for my assistance in some horrific cases. I am primed to do this. I am not convinced that abandoning this account without fight is useful. We have other accounts at our disposal, but, in the interest of transparency, I would prefer to use this one, as I plan to make miraculous mainspace edits and impressive infoboxes.
I will not stop at adding remarkable content and alluring infoboxes, though. I also plan to add categories with the skill and precision of a surgeon, fix typos expeditiously and at a hypersonic pace, and perform new pages patrol with the zeal of uniformed SWAT team member in the LA riots. If that isn't enough, I guarantee that you have never seen anyone disambiguate a wiki link the way I do. There is a good chance that you will pass out in your computer chair due to awe and amazement as you watch me work; do not postpone this precious opportunity.
For your consideration.
--The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 05:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
…still slaughtering corrupt sockpuppets and butchering tainted trolls (metaphorically speaking)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Defender_of_the_Wiki"
Posted by: dogbiscuit
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 30th March 2008, 3:07pm)
And here is Wiki defender's unblock request.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:The_Defender_of_the_Wiki&diff=prev&oldid=201754932
Completely off the wall but very good fun for all that.
QUOTE
--The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 05:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
…still slaughtering corrupt sockpuppets and butchering tainted trolls (metaphorically speaking)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Defender_of_the_Wiki"
Well, remember that JzG bans people for even suggesting that some of the fun stuff should be deleted (and many admins thought that was a good block), so by the same argument it should be curtains for the admin who dared to block our Defender of the Wiki.
Posted by: wikiwhistle
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 30th March 2008, 3:07pm)
I suggest that we follow the chain of command and put the block up for review on WP:AN or (my personal favorite) WP:AN/I. This block is clearly a provocative and pernicious incident; if there was ever a block worthy of review by my informed and judicial associates at AN/I, this is it. I suggest that the title heading be named "Woeful and potentially wicked block of The Wiki Defender".
oh, so tempting lolol
Posted by: Peter Damian
And then he refers to another apparently a sock account.
QUOTE
We have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Onlyjusthisonetime at our disposal, but, in the interest of transparency, I would prefer to use this one, as I plan to make miraculous mainspace edits and impressive infoboxes.
WTF?
QUOTE
==Hang in there, Tony==
+ I see that you are under attack from the trolls. Please know that the silent majority is in your corner and rooting for you. I've blogged about this fiasco [http://wikidefender.blogspot.com/2008/03/slimvirgin-still-target-of-stalkers.html here]. Stay strong and keep fighting the good fight. Cheers, [[User:The Defender of the Wiki|The Defender of the Wiki]] ([[User talk:The Defender of the Wiki|talk]]) 17:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Posted by: Docknell
QUOTE(Random832 @ Fri 28th March 2008, 2:05pm)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 28th March 2008, 8:38am)
One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.
And you're doing their job for them by just saying it's a "standard argument they use" without pointing out why the argument is flawed. For example, the reason artificial insemination etc, is different is that it serves a legitimate purpose that benefits either the individual animal or its species, whereas zoophilia does not.
Mmm I don't think stating other's argument is a problem. There is a general problem with editors and admin not seeing or not caring about the real issues though. The core issue is ethics. In pedo and zoo cases, the judge leans on ethics, and in both cases its a matter of duty of care. Thus, the WP zoophilia article is devoid of the standard duty of care issue, and the lead section pretty much concludes "well anyway, adults can have perfectly meaningful sexual relations with infants (oops, animals I mean). Who gives a toss whether dockshaggers are allowed to promote as a pedophile would?
Admin certainly don't care. I know most of them are thick, but the issue has been pointed out to them before. So in some cases (the spoof case) they are just plain stupid, but in this case they are just devoid of ethical concern.
Of course, with FT2 its a matter of being stupid/whitewashing on his talkpage, and being deliberately promotional of unethical activity on the zoophilia article.
Posted by: Somey
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th March 2008, 4:23pm)
...I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.
If it is, then he doesn't appear to be a WR member - we've never had anyone register or post from the 70.73.*.* range, ever.
Of course, that's probably just what he's
expecting us to say...
Also, that's not how you spell "scalawags."
Posted by: Count DeMonet
QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th March 2008, 4:29pm)
......and some innovative comedian milks it for all it's worth, that morphs the comedy-drama into a dromedary (or is that drama dairy?).
Drama dairy, obviously!
...where else would you keep all your lolcows?
hey lookie here ma! I'ma chaneling the spirit of Johnny Cache!