Crum vs Giano, general brouhaha Options

"If you persist you vill be blocked!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II#WP:POINT

It's just like high school football.

Block that point!
Block that point!

Are Crum and SlimVirgin joined by some kind of leash?

Are Crum and SlimVirgin joined by some kind of leash?

yes, its called IM.

And yes, Crum is now a SPA account. As Gerard would say, "per contributions". that SPA being SV's tag-team partner. and that tag-team is a supergroup: both have admin banhammers.

Giano and others are again making fools of Crum, Guy et al with the wikitruth.

This post has been edited by Piperdown: Sun 9th December 2007, 9:46pm

Giano and others are again making fools of Crum, Guy et al with the wikitruth.

Yeah, but the minute the attention wanes, they'll boot them out.

Interesting article, that Brown Dog Affair. It describes a conflict in England in the early 20th century over animal vivisection that ended up focusing on a statue of a dog that was protesting the use of animals in experimentation and medical teaching, where enraged mobs on the two sides (of keeping or removing the statue) had violent riots breaking out repeatedly over several years, massive police protection was given to the statue to prevent vandalism, and finally the local council authorized a cabal to sneak in the night and remove and destroy the statue secretly to try to stop all the controversy over it.

Reminds me of some of the Wikipedia follies.

Crum's Talk Page

Time you had one of these.]..

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For retaining your cool against people whose good faith has been abused by cynical manipulation offsite. Guy (Help!) 11:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

(Note from DL: I guess he doesn't mean us, right?)

Hi Guy fancy you seing you here. I just love your posts on [WikiEN-l] - don't care for your language there much though. Does that count as offsite? Giano (talk) 20:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP Point

For heaven's sake do stop "WP Pointing" every time some one does not agree with you [1] it is becoming tiresome in the extreme. Giano (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Block threat

Crum375, about your note on Giano's page: please don't template the regulars, and don't threaten somebody you're edit warring with, with blocking. I'm sure you know you're not supposed to use blocks or block threats to gain the upper hand in a dispute. Bishonen | talk 20:47, 9 December 2007 (UTC).

Oh by the way Crum, tell me, I have been meaning to ask you, were you one of those with whom Durova discussed the block of !!. One of those who were positive to enthusiastic for Durova to block !!? Think before you answer. Giano (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Sun 9th December 2007, 10:59pm

Interesting article, that Brown Dog Affair. It describes a conflict in England in the early 20th century over animal vivisection that ended up focusing on a statue of a dog that was protesting the use of animals in experimentation and medical teaching, where enraged mobs on the two sides (of keeping or removing the statue) had violent riots breaking out repeatedly over several years, massive police protection was given to the statue to prevent vandalism, and finally the local council authorized a cabal to sneak in the night and remove and destroy the statue secretly to try to stop all the controversy over it.

Reminds me of some of the Wikipedia follies.

good thing that a PETA meatpuppet doesn't have administrative control over that article, eh?

isn't there some sort of animal rights organisation that goes around blowing up places?

isn't there some sort of animal rights organisation that goes around blowing up places?

I think SlimV has links to one of those, doesn't she? Not that she's into that approach, but I think the group she is with is extreme.

Crum's Talk Page

Time you had one of these.

Oh by the way Crum, tell me, I have been meaning to ask you, were you one of those with whom Durova discussed the block of !!. One of those who were positive to enthusiastic for Durova to block !!? Think before you answer. Giano (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Remember... Giano doesn't ask questions for which he doesn't think he already has the answer.

Take that for what it's worth...

When it comes to Giano, Slim's lapdog has bitten off more than she can chew. Giano isn't going to abide by the SlimCrew's "Please stop trolling!" tactics.

--

At last, the truth comes out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=176803950
You certainly pass the duck test, Crum.

This post has been edited by Aloft: Sun 9th December 2007, 11:22pm

Remember... Giano doesn't ask questions for which he doesn't think he already has the answer.

Those are always the best kind.

This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey: Sun 9th December 2007, 11:24pm

isn't there some sort of animal rights organisation that goes around blowing up places?

I think SlimV has links to one of those, doesn't she? Not that she's into that approach, but I think the group she is with is extreme.

I think you mean to refer to this group. Guess who has been tidying the article lately.

isn't there some sort of animal rights organisation that goes around blowing up places?

I think SlimV has links to one of those, doesn't she? Not that she's into that approach, but I think the group she is with is extreme.

I think you mean to refer to this group. Guess who has been tidying the article lately.

There's Mr Miller/Shankbone again he seems to pop up everywhere! SlimVirgin has taken a liking to him as has somebody else ....

The synchronicity of Crums and SlimVirgin's edits is really quite amazing:

(cur) (last) 23:36, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (56,683 bytes) (→Riots) (undo)
(cur) (last) 23:35, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (56,691 bytes) (added quote) (undo)
(cur) (last) 23:24, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (55,918 bytes) (various) (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:47, 9 December 2007 Crum375 (Talk | contribs) m (55,634 bytes) (sp) (undo)
1 minute later
(cur) (last) 22:46, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (55,635 bytes) (→Riots) (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:44, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (55,634 bytes) (→Riots) (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:42, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (55,639 bytes) (→Strange relationships) (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:41, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (55,636 bytes) (→"Exit the 'Brown Dog'") (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:40, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (55,624 bytes) (more details of the rioting) (undo)
1 minute later
(cur) (last) 22:39, 9 December 2007 Crum375 (Talk | contribs) m (53,974 bytes) (→Involvement of the National Anti-Vivisection Society - wl to explain) (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:18, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (53,970 bytes) (→Strange relationships - punc) (undo)
(cur) (last) 22:16, 9 December 2007 Crum375 (Talk | contribs) m (53,970 bytes) (→Vivisection of the brown dog - we use surname-only elsewhere) (undo)
1 minute later
(cur) (last) 22:15, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (53,978 bytes) (various details) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:55, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (53,602 bytes) (→Politics) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:55, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (53,610 bytes) (→Politics - ditto) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:53, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (53,522 bytes) (→Politics) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:52, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (53,523 bytes) (→Politics - fixed) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:37, 9 December 2007 Crum375 (Talk | contribs) m (53,228 bytes) (sp) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:17, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (53,228 bytes) (→Strange relationships) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:14, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (53,233 bytes) (added suffragettes, trade unionists to the lead) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:09, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (53,194 bytes) (→Brown Dog memorial built - removed unnecessary ref) (undo)
1 minute later
(cur) (last) 21:08, 9 December 2007 Crum375 (Talk | contribs) m (53,215 bytes) (→Brown Dog memorial built - sp) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:05, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) m (53,214 bytes) (→Strange relationships - removed repetition) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:04, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (53,262 bytes) (moved Lansbury to refs) (undo)
(cur) (last) 21:03, 9 December 2007 SlimVirgin (Talk | contribs) (53,262 bytes) (added some details) (undo)

I've known Crum and Ms. SV to disagree. It is
quite unlikely that they are the same person.

This post has been edited by AB: Mon 10th December 2007, 1:33am

I think there might have been a slip up here. Look at the history of the Brown Dog article above and compare SlimVirgin and Crum's contribs. SlimVirgin edited the article up to 22:18. She stopped editing, then Crum edited it at 22:39 (having edited nothing since 22:16). Slim then came in 1 minute later at 22:40 and carried on until 22:46- then 1 minute later Crum came in and made one edit at 22:47 and edited nothing else till 01:00 (during which time SlimVirgin was constantly editing).

I think there might have been a slip up here. Look at the history of the Brown Dog article above and compare SlimVirgin and Crum's contribs. SlimVirgin edited the article up to 22:18. She stopped editing, then Crum edited it at 22:39 (having edited nothing since 22:16). Slim then came in 1 minute later at 22:40 and carried on until 22:46- then 1 minute later Crum came in and made one edit at 22:47 and edited nothing else till 01:00.

off-wiki organising of tag-teaming appears to be a good way to be able to have 6RR powers (meatpuppets x 3). Team Slim, with Crum playing point guard, is performing a complex ballet. i'll try not to visualize who's wearing the bulging tights.

Just ask mantanmoreland-samiharris, who did their own Crum375/SlimVirgin orchestral manoevures in the dark against me when i'd get cheeky and started adding reliable sources they didn't like to naked shorting. Or mantanmoreland-lastexit-tomstoner when he was doing the same thing but without anyone else's help at all, just sockselfabusing, to perplexed editors in 2006.

I've known Crum and Ms. SV to disagree. It is
quite unlikely that they are the same person.

I wonder where you've seen them disagree. I've seen some of Crum's early criticism, but thought it looked unusually hedged.

...WP rules are there to be followed even if a mass AfD nomination casts doubt on AGF. [[User:Crum375|Crum375]] 18:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Not surprisingly, this led to a friendly resolution shortly after.

It then happened again with both SV and Jayjg a week later.

* Comment. I think this is very inappropriate. First, I think that admins who vote should not close, revert or otherwise use their admin powers on a given AfD. Also, if re-opened, it should include a paste of all previous discussion. Crum375 00:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
* There's not a reason to close early here. None. It's not a speedy candidate on either side. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 00:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

All the discussion is included, Crum. We just reverted Tony's premature closure of it. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry, my mistake. That will teach me not to watch a hockey game while wiki-ing Crum375 00:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Jayjg, I think changing history of a discussion retroactively is inappropriate. If I am wrong, please let me know. Thanks, Crum375 01:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC).

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Jayjg (talk) 01:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

As is obvious, I didn't notice the AfD had closed. What purpose do you think your comment served, if any? Jayjg (talk) 01:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry. It obviously wasn't obvious to me that it wasn't obvious to you (AGF?) . My intent was to find out if there is some policy or ethics issue I missed, being a rookie. Peace? Crum375 01:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Do those count as disagreements? In the second one, the close Crum said was inappropriate turned out to be the other guy's.

Exactly what is all the fighting about? This is an excellent article, in my opinion.