Bishonen indef-blocks FT2, Holy crap, he hasn't been desysopped by Jimbo Options

[Kelly Martin]

The "B Ark" is a Hitchhiker's reference, not a Red Dwarf one as far as I know. It's ironic that Tony/Sherilyn would undoubtedly be on the B Ark if Wikipedia ever made one.

[Somey]

This is actually a side issue, and obviously JzG (T-C-L-K-R-D) has always had some problems with personal honesty and the accuracy of his accusations... but I couldn't help but notice this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=264133911

There seems to be some kind of idea that content which can be used to attack people is in some way sacrosanct. Any edit that is long in the past and is being used to deliberately smear someone can and should be quietly nuked. Do we have single-revision deletion yet? We didn't then, and the process of nuking and then restoring a page was more or less guaranteed to create mass drama and have the deleted revision published on WR within the hour. Even if it were a Really Big Deal - whihc it isn't - there is no evidence of any pattern of abuse by David. Rather the opposite; of all Wikipedians he is probably among the most likely to tell people to grow up if they request oversighting of trivial things.

Was any deleted revision ever posted to Wikipedia Review prior to the inception of the Oversight feature, in any amount of time after the deletion? I think I would have remembered that, at least if it had happened while I was here.

Obviously people refer to the existence of deleted revisions and occasionally comment on their contents, most notably with some of the SlimVirgin stuff relating to Lockerbie and the whole Weiss vs. Bagley brouhaha... and I realize Mr. Chapman is engaging in his usual irrational hyperbole here, of course. But it seems to me like we're normally the ones who are trying to bring these things to their attention, and make sure they stay deleted, aren't we?

[SirFozzie]

my bad. (blame my work schedule for it, I'll post more on teh fun times I'm going through in the Lounge in a minute)

[Cla68]

FT2 has posted a letter of resignation on Jimbo's talk page:

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This post has been edited by Cla68: Thu 15th January 2009, 7:48am

[Somey]

FT2 has posted a letter of conditional resignation on Jimbo's talk page:

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Yikes - I have to say, I wasn't expecting that. (Though the line about the "fair hearing with appropriate gravitas" is priceless!)

And he managed to do it in only 2,600 words, too...

[dogbiscuit]

FT2 has posted a letter of conditional resignation on Jimbo's talk page:

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Yikes - I have to say, I wasn't expecting that. (Though the line about the "fair hearing with appropriate gravitas" is priceless!)

And he managed to do it in only 2,600 words, too...

I got bored, but I think his little rant showed his fundamental lack of self-awareness which has always been at the bottom of his disputes.

I found the PoetLister section a classic - how he solved it all himself alone (is he therefore admitting that he was the one who hacked the private emails?) how this vital issue of international importance required him interfering with PL's employers at the highest level.

More generally all the good things we can never understand he did so perfectly because it is all private, so we just have to take his word for it. We have lost Wikipedia's most valuable asset, obviously.

[Anonymous editor]

hmmm, I guess Bishonen got what she desired, then. I have no opinion on FT2. I never cared to form one.

I do hope that Bishzilla loses the tools, though. You can't block people for not answering a question and thinking that you can do it and get away with it is disastrously bad judgment.

All in all, I think Wikipedia would be better off with FT2 off ArbCom and Bishzilla out of the admin corps.

[Viridae]

The "B Ark" is a Hitchhiker's reference, not a Red Dwarf one as far as I know. It's ironic that Tony/Sherilyn would undoubtedly be on the B Ark if Wikipedia ever made one.

Indeed: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=264157476

[Bottled_Spider]

FT2 has posted a letter of resignation on Jimbo's talk page:

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For those sensible people who can't be arsed reading through the mind-numbing screed, here's a quick rundown of what he's saying in a nutshell :

Dear Jimmy,

It wasn't my fault. I've done some great stuff on Wikipedia, and if I could have my own way with Arbcom, and stuff, things would be perfect. I'm leaving the committee (before I get kicked off) but I fully expect to be re-instated sooner rather than later. Note that I'm not resigning my adminship or leaving Wiki. That would be silly because I'm great, and a victim of dreadful injustice.

Either way it is an honor serving the community, and I bear none ill-will (I'm lying to myself, really).

Aaaaaanyway ........... how about a special mention for Bishonen / Bishzilla in the forthcoming 3rd Annual awards? She's a heroine. Both of her.

[Peter Damian]

Prize for the most dickish post on the RFC must go to David Gerard.

I've just read pages and pages of rubbish on this stuff, much of it mentioning me, and no-one's actually asked me any direct questions as yet. So I thought I'd answer them anyway.
I first met FT2 when the arbcom election was in full swing. FT2 had barely shown up on my radar before then. I believe I greeted FT2 with "Haha, you're going straight to ArbCom. HERE'S YOUR SHOVEL." which is my usual greeting to new arbs. The votes were making it a dead cert FT2 would be on the arbcom, and so it came to be.
The oversighted edit should have been single-revision deleted. This was because Peter Damian was using it in a trolling post attempting to paint FT2 as a bestialist. Jimbo asked me about it afterwards and I went "good Lord, should have been a deletion not an oversight, I shall be more careful in future." Jimbo concurred that single-rev deletion to quash obnoxious WR-sourced idiot trolling like this was quite in order. And I was and have been more careful, and that was the end of it. Until Peter Damian got in with Giano, who appears to now consider Wikipedia Review regulars to be reliable and trustworthy sources. I'm sure that will work out well. (Oddly, I understand Giano previously emailed FT2 about this exact matter and was satisfied at the time. I'm sure Giano can find this email in his records; if not, I'm sure FT2 can put it up with full headers, with Giano's permission of course.)
Summary: this is an idiot tempest driven by a banned WR troll and Giano's wounded sensibilities. Just because the wiki's biggest smoke machines are furiously pumping out clouds doesn't actually imply there's a fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=264236296

Fact: I hadn't even heard of Wikipedia Review when I made the post. The post did not mention FT2 directly. The post was entirely about ethical issues. The deception about Giano's email has already been taken up separately by Giano, as you can well imagine.

[wikiwhistle]

Prize for the most dickish post on the RFC must go to David Gerard.

But in part of his statement DG admitted to telling FT2 after he'd done the oversight, whiihh as FT2 claimed he never knew and didn't cover it in the timeline, seems to me the most telling bit.

[Peter Damian]

Prize for the most dickish post on the RFC must go to David Gerard.

But in part of his statement DG admitted to telling FT2 after he'd done the oversight, whiihh as FT2 claimed he never knew and didn't cover it in the timeline, seems to me the most telling bit.

Actually that bit was dickish, from FT2's POV.

This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Thu 15th January 2009, 1:44pm

[Moulton]

What we have here is a failure to excommunicate.

FT2 has placed himself in an interesting position on the Carrollian Chess Board.

Has he resigned outright? Evidently not.

Has he merely recused himself from handling ArbCom business while there is a cloud looming over his head? Evidently not.

Rather he is "standing down" (whatever that means). Perhaps it's the opposite of "sitting up" or "not taking it lying down" or something not unlike that.

As I see it, he's in that strange twilight zone otherwise known as Limbo.

There is a classic passage in subtle dramas where the protagonist stands mute, not dumbfounded, but intentionally unresponsive to the insistent inquiries of the Spammish Inquisition.

In Zen Koans, the response would be "Mu" — a word that literally means "No Thing" but carries far more subtle connotations. Technically, it means that a question cannot be answered in a simple Yes/No manner because the question embraces a counterfactual, predicated on a lamentable misconception. But the misconception cannot be rectified, for reasons too complicated (or too sensitive) to explain in mere words.

[Peter Damian]

What we have here is a failure to excommunicate.

FT2 has placed himself in an interesting position on the Carrollian Chess Board.

Has he resigned outright? Evidently not.

[ctd p94 ...]

No he has resigned. Read his reply to the request for clarification on Jimbo's page.

[Kelly Martin]

hmmm, I guess Bishonen got what she desired, then. I have no opinion on FT2. I never cared to form one.

Not really. The real target was David Gerard.

[Kato]

I found the PoetLister section a classic - how he solved it all himself alone (is he therefore admitting that he was the one who hacked the private emails?) how this vital issue of international importance required him interfering with PL's employers at the highest level.

FT2 writes:

I handled personally and alone, the cross-wiki inquiry into Poetlister/Cato. This involved a team of arbs, crats, and cross-wiki stewards, the historically prickly "political" relationships between the enwiki and wikiquote communities or users within them, WMF (Jimbo, Cary), three top level directors within the UK civil service, and the user himself. The risk here was of "rogue checkuser", the creation of a media storm harmful to the project, and immense loss of trust related to private data handling. It was complicated by a lack of formal proof of rogue-ness, and communal mis-belief these socks were genuine people. The matter was handled in a way that caused less drama than most desysoppings. It took a large part of 3 - 4 months of my year to do so, and was highly commended by seasoned Wikimedians.

Despite being by far the most sensitive and complex sock-puppetry matter in the entire history of all WMF projects combined, and with inter-project and real-life "political" concerns, it still concluded with barely a ripple in any WMF sense, and with all matters under good control from a WMF and enwiki perspective.

So who hacked Poetguy's private email - read all the posts to discover the sockpuppetry - and did the nasty? That question has never been answered.

What was FT2's involvement in that? If any?

And besides, by the time Poetguy imploded all over this board last Spring, Somey was just about the last person left who was still convinced Poetguy wasn't a fraud of some sort. FT2 was somewhere behind Inspector Clouseau and Helen Keller in making the necessary connections.

Anyway, I'm glad FT2 has resigned. I've been calling for leading disgraced Wikipedians to do the honourable thing and resign when it gets too much for a long while. But they hardly ever do. At least FT2 had the good sense now. Last month, when FT2 was engaged in some sordid drama or other here, I requested that he get off the pot asap. He should have done it then, as his extra month has done him no favors.

FT2, word of advice; I hope you will lay down the tools from the websites you have used them, and get on with your mainstream life, as well.

It's time for you to move on from Wikipedia because you are drowning. And the only way is down for you.

Wikipedia has become too important for someone who goes about like you to hold positions of power over other people. And the whirlpools surrounding your every move are getting faster and faster.

You need to recognize this and cut your losses before you find yourself sinking deeper and deeper into grimy tarpits like this.

[wikiwhistle]

Prize for the most dickish post on the RFC must go to David Gerard.

But in part of his statement DG admitted to telling FT2 after he'd done the oversight, whiihh as FT2 claimed he never knew and didn't cover it in the timeline, seems to me the most telling bit.

Actually that bit was dickish, from FT2's POV.

What do you mean It meanns DG told the truth/ let us know about that bit, I presume. Or do you just mean that FT would have seen that as dickish; has he said that? I expect he's not happy about it. Or do you mean at that point FT acted dickish? Sorry if I'm being thick.

[Moulton]

Wow.

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Moulton was that you?

Who else around here is ancient enough to actually remember any songs from that era?

In the mid-50's, the Andrew Sisters appeared live at the Auto Show at the newly opened Civic Auditorium in Omaha and sang that number.

This post has been edited by Moulton: Thu 15th January 2009, 5:01pm

[Kato]

Hey - we can play my bingo derived Wikipedia Flashmob game on this rfc! Checking for which nosey gobsites have parked up to vent their tedious spleens at the latest drama venue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...for_comment/FT2

We should create a game. Where we follow the names of the "uninvolved parties" on each case to see if we get a Full House.

A Full House is

1. DocG (Scott Macdonald)[/s]
2. SlimVirgin
3. Sticky Parkin
4. Jehochman
5. ElonkaD
6. DTobias
7. Ryan Postlethwaite
8. Durova
9. Privatemusings
10. Tony Sidaway
11. Alex Bakharev
12. MONGO
13. ElinorD/Wikitumnus
14. Fred Bauder

The Reviewer who is the first to spot a Full House and shouts "House" on a thread receives a Wikipedia Review prize.

You can still win secondary prizes for a "trick". If you see this first you can call it if you wish:

1. Jehochman
2. ElonkaD
3. Durova

For a "line / run / straight", you need:

1. SlimVirgin
2. MONGO
3. Fred Bauder

If you see that you can call "Line" on the thread.

[Peter Damian]

Prize for the most dickish post on the RFC must go to David Gerard.

But in part of his statement DG admitted to telling FT2 after he'd done the oversight, whiihh as FT2 claimed he never knew and didn't cover it in the timeline, seems to me the most telling bit.

Actually that bit was dickish, from FT2's POV.

What do you mean It meanns DG told the truth/ let us know about that bit, I presume. Or do you just mean that FT would have seen that as dickish; has he said that? I expect he's not happy about it. Or do you mean at that point FT acted dickish? Sorry if I'm being thick.

Well FT2 had a pretty good case that he had forgotten about Jimmy's email, he had thought the April IRC discussion was about an entirely different oversight issue. But then Gerard spoiled it all. If I was him I would be angry. Or have I misunderstood?

Wow.

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Moulton was that you?