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Posted by: Jon Awbrey
There's a mode of inference that has become so popular in certain quarters that I decided it was time to fashion a suitable name for it. It goes a bit like this:
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If A, then B.
Not B.
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But A simply has to be !!!
I know some scholars will quibble that it should be called “modus dolendo dolens†or something, but let's not be petty.
Jon Awbrey
Posted by: Text
What does this mean?
If A has a value different from nothing then event B occurs. Then the opposite of event B occurs?
Since A only has to exist, and it always exists as a value, then B and its opposite always occur?
Posted by: Milton Roe
QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 2nd March 2011, 8:01am) 
I know some scholars will quibble that it should be called “modus dolendo dolens†or something, but let's not be petty.
Jon Awbrey
No. It was Mickey Dolenz (born Modus Dolendo Dolens, Jr., March 8, 1945), who was petty. Or at least, small. Some {{citation needed}} suggested that Modus should have retained his original first name, which was hip, but he said famously that he wanted to monkey with this first name, nobody should criticize. His bandmates agreed, saying that they were were too busy singing to put anybody down.
Posted by: Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 11:31am)
QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 2nd March 2011, 8:01am)
I know some scholars will quibble that it should be called “modus dolendo dolens†or something, but let's not be petty.
No. It was Mickey Dolenz (born Modus Dolendo Dolens, Jr., March 8, 1945), who was petty. Or at least, small. Some {{citation needed}} suggested that Modus should have retained his original first name, which was hip, but he said famously that he wanted to monkey with this first name, nobody should criticize. His bandmates agreed, saying that they were were too busy singing to put anybody down.
I knew that someone else here would be Ancient Of Daze Enuff to abdeuce the Monkees as their first e-lusion, and I'm trying to get back to the task of x-planation, but I've just been e-lected Speaker for the Moral And/Or Silent Mojority, and I'm busy preparing my moral and/or silent address to the House of Pearls Before Swine (PBS).
Jon
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 11:31am)
No. It was Mickey Dolenz (born Modus Dolendo Dolens, Jr., March 8, 1945), who was petty. Or at least, small. Some {{citation needed}} suggested that Modus should have retained his original first name, which was hip, but he said famously that he wanted to monkey with this first name, nobody should criticize. His bandmates agreed, saying that they were were too busy singing to put anybody down.
We might as well shut the website down now...I can't see how it can get better than this.
Posted by: Gruntled
QUOTE(Text @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 1:13am)
What does this mean?
If A has a value different from nothing then event B occurs. Then the opposite of event B occurs?
Since A only has to exist, and it always exists as a value, then B and its opposite always occur?
It means that if we can prove that:
* if A is true then B must be true
* B is false
then logically A must be false, yet some people persist in saying that A must be true.
For example, if John Smith lives in Des Moines, it follows that he lives in the USA. If we can prove that he doesn't live in the USA, he can't live in Des Moines. Yet there may be people who insist he does, maybe invoking WP:NOR.
Posted by: Zoloft
QUOTE(Gruntled @ Fri 4th March 2011, 7:01am)
QUOTE(Text @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 1:13am)
What does this mean?
If A has a value different from nothing then event B occurs. Then the opposite of event B occurs?
Since A only has to exist, and it always exists as a value, then B and its opposite always occur?
It means that if we can prove that:
* if A is true then B must be true
* B is false
then logically A must be false, yet some people persist in saying that A must be true.
For example, if John Smith lives in Des Moines, it follows that he lives in the USA. If we can prove that he doesn't live in the USA, he can't live in Des Moines. Yet there may be people who insist he does, maybe invoking WP:NOR.
I've seen people invoke WP:SYN as well. That Wikipedia has firm policies against both independent but verifiable research, and logical synthesis is appalling. I understand the policy is to only use reliable sources to prevent cranks from interring their own http://www.timecube.com/ sort of cranky theories deep in the fertile loam of Wikipedia, but it removes logical discourse as an option.
Posted by: Kelly Martin
QUOTE(Zoloft @ Wed 9th March 2011, 7:37pm)
I've seen people invoke WP:SYN as well. That Wikipedia has firm policies against both independent but verifiable research, and logical synthesis is appalling. I understand the policy is to only use reliable sources to prevent cranks from interring their own http://www.timecube.com/ sort of cranky theories deep in the fertile loam of Wikipedia, but it removes logical discourse as an option.
In Wikiworld, encyclopedia authors are not expected to think, they merely inhale the ideas of others and regurgitate them in slightly modified form and order. And this is considered good, in fact ideal, because it prevents knowledge from being accidentally created. Only authorized knowledge creators should be allowed to create knowledge, you know.