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The Institute of Network Cultures maintains an engaging complex of activities, blogs, conferences, discussion groups, and assorted websites. A lot of what I read there is bit too much the Helium Hermenautical Armchair (HeHa) for my down-to-earth tastes, but I do see a concerted effort toward real understanding that is but rarely encountered these days.

I'll just collect a few links here —

Institute of Network Cultures : Main Portal

Society of the Query : Collaborative Research Blog

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CPOV Listings …

Geert Lovink posted notice of a First Monday article by Jutta Haider and Olaf Sundin, titled “Beyond the Legacy of the Enlightenment? — Online Encyclopaedias as Digital Heterotopias”.

On that same topia, er, topic, Andrew Famiglietti posted notice of his essay, “Tasty Theory Clusters”, found on his blog, Hackers, Cyborgs, and Wikipedians.

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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 17th March 2010, 8:46am) *

CPOV Listings …

Geert Lovink posted notice ...


Geert Lovink also posted notice to me, privately by e-mail, this morning. Here's what he had to say:

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Dear Gregory,

The CPOV organisers have decided to remove you from the list. We feel that your contributions are working against the kind of dialogue we would like to see flourish on our list. Our intent is not to nit pick about Wikipedia, show our disdain for it, or to reveal its members to be evil or cult-like, etc. etc. Moreover, we do not wish to alienate people who participate in Wikipedia in our discussion. There already exists a space for that kind of discussion at The Wikipedia Review.

Thanks,

The CPOV editorial committee


Sounds like Landru got to him. What is it with these Dutch guys? Oh, wait. That's another thread.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 19th July 2010, 7:03am) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 17th March 2010, 8:46am) *

CPOV Listings …

Geert Lovink posted notice …


Geert Lovink also posted notice to me, privately by e-mail, this morning. Here's what he had to say:

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Dear Gregory,

The CPOV organisers have decided to remove you from the list. We feel that your contributions are working against the kind of dialogue we would like to see flourish on our list. Our intent is not to nit pick about Wikipedia, show our disdain for it, or to reveal its members to be evil or cult-like, etc. etc. Moreover, we do not wish to alienate people who participate in Wikipedia in our discussion. There already exists a space for that kind of discussion at The Wikipedia Review.

Thanks,

The CPOV editorial committee


Sounds like Landru got to him. What is it with these Dutch guys? Oh, wait. That's another thread.


Don't feel too special, I got one, too …

“Wikipedism As Cult” is hardly a novel theme these days, but it was actually Juliana Brunello — I thought she was one of the “C”POV List organizers? — who needled the current “C”POV thread titled “The Wikipedia Cult”:

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<CPOV> The Wikipedia Cult
Juliana Brunello <juliana at networkcultures.org>
Mon May 31 12:33:36 CEST 2010

* Previous message: <CPOV> A critique of the idea of neutral language
* Next message: <CPOV> The Wikipedia Cult
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This is an interesting interview that compares Wikipedia to a cult.
Sam Vaknin sees Wikipedia through a very negative lens, but I did
agree with some of the arguments (though I believe his arguments
are mostly exaggerated). I would like to read your opinions on that.

http://globalpolitician.com/26423-wikipedia-cult-jimmy-wales

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So if there was ever a diversity of critical opinion among the “C”POV Editorship, it appears those days are all in the past — there's a new “Consensus” in the Covert Central Committee Point Of View (C³POV).

Grant money is so hard to come by these days — I wonder who bought them off? — stay tuned for the ¼coming CfP.

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Just by way of trying to figure out what happened here …

Let's go back to what was evidently the last straw for the “C” in CPOV, namely, the topic of “The Wikipedia Cult”. This topic was raised by Juliana Brunello, one of the staff at The Institute of Network Cultures (no, the other TINC), and it began with this post:

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<CPOV> The Wikipedia Cult
Juliana Brunello <juliana at networkcultures.org>
Mon May 31 12:33:36 CEST 2010

This is an interesting interview that compares Wikipedia to a cult. Sam Vaknin sees Wikipedia through a very negative lens, but I did agree with some of the arguments (though I believe his arguments are mostly exaggerated). I would like to read your opinions on that.

http://globalpolitician.com/26423-wikipedia-cult-jimmy-wales

Juliana

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