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post Tue 26th October 2010, 8:43pm
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So here's an article posing as 'journalism' in which you, Greg, just dig up the dirt on a new WMF employee just in the door. What exactly are you trying to achieve here?

Seriously - how is this any different from a so-called 'encyclopedia' digging up the dirt on someone? Other than the fact that it's Greg Kohs that's doing the digging and that the target is just some nobody who's recently stepped into an org she probably doesn't know all that well (but is likely rapidly discovering). As someone else pointed out, she's "non-notable" and a soft target.

I've seen some excellent journalism coming from you, Greg, and superb research - especially around WMF fundraising shenanigans. This? This is just garbage - sorry angry.gif Especially coming after this sorry WR thread that you started and saw no problem with. No wonder she didn't reply to your messages to 'engage'. I'm hardly surprised bored.gif

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post Tue 26th October 2010, 9:39pm
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post Tue 26th October 2010, 9:51pm
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I'm thinking the same as Alison, Doc etc. This dilutes your other excellent work where the focus is on the foundation.
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post Tue 26th October 2010, 10:00pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 26th October 2010, 8:16pm) *

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Sounds like she's not exactly "helpless".



Greg this is the same type of amoral self-justifying shite we regularly get from the worst BLP violators and kool-aid drinkers on Wikipedia.

You are even beginning to sound like JoshuaZ.

You wanted to make a comparison with Wikipedia?

Well, congratulations, you just compared yourself with the worst of them and came our on bottom.


"Physician, heal thyself."
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post Tue 26th October 2010, 10:27pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Tue 26th October 2010, 4:43pm) *

So here's an article posing as 'journalism' in which you, Greg, just dig up the dirt on a new WMF employee just in the door. What exactly are you trying to achieve here?

Seriously - how is this any different from a so-called 'encyclopedia' dishing up the dirt on someone? Other than the fact that it's Greg Kohs that's doing the digging and that the target is just some nobody who's recently stepped into an org she probably doesn't know all that well (but it likely rapidly discovering). As someone else pointed out, she's "non-notable" and a soft target.

I've seen some excellent journalism coming from you, Greg, and superb research. This? This is just garbage - sorry angry.gif Especially coming after this sorry WR thread that you started and saw no problem with. No wonder she didn't reply to your messages to 'engage'. I'm hardly surprised bored.gif

(cue some non-sequitur about ED sysops. Just dont)


Thank you for your compliment about some of my excellent journalism, Alison. I will agree that this current story is not my best work, but it was absolutely newsworthy to a citizen journalist whose "beat" includes wikis, Wikipedia, and the Wikimedia Foundation. If I weren't covering every hire and fire at the world's largest organization devoted to wikis, I wouldn't be doing my job as the National Wiki Edits Examiner.

How is Moellenberndt's past documented and factual history as expressed -- by her -- to the mainstream media suddenly "dirt" when I organize it into a news story?

My questions, if they were to be answered by the Wikimedia Foundation (which they would not), would be...
  • "How did Philippe Beaudette determine Moellenberndt was the best candidate for the job?"
  • "How many applicants were interviewed for this position?"
  • "Why was multitasking on two projects considered too much for Beaudette?"
  • "Why is the head of Reader Relations (what I would interpret as a content area -- readers read content, don't they?) leading the 2010 fundraising campaign, anyway? Why wasn't someone with more responsibility for financial development like Moeller, or Exley, or Newstead, or Wadhwa, or Handler, or Crouse handling this?"
  • "What will Moellenberndt actually be doing for the WMF, in plain English?"
  • "If Moellenberndt is a non-notable, low-level WMF contractor/employee, why did Beaudette feel the need to announce her temporary hire to the public?"
  • "Why is it appropriate for Wikimedians to publicly document my activity on sites like Freelancer.com -- while prohibiting my response in their same forum; but it is inappropriate for me to publicly document a Wikimedian's activity on sites like Facebook.com -- even while welcoming and inviting them to respond? Why do I have to walk on eggshells?"

Okay, that last question is just a jab, but it does point to how ridiculous some of you are being about a 33-year-old adult's "helplessness" against my "dirt digging". Have any of you -- any single one -- contacted her to see what she would like done with my article?

But, the fact of the matter is that if the Wikimedia Foundation weren't so damn secretive about how they go about internal matters, none of these questions would even be of interest. Or, conversely, if they weren't so public about every minor new hire into a short-term position, it would also be of little interest. As it stands, about 100 unique visitors (so far) were interested enough in this story to open the page it's on, and Google's News reviewers accepted it into their feed as newsworthy. (I am told that is a human-reviewed process at Google.) If this weren't newsworthy, shouldn't Google News have rejected it the way they've rejected the majority of my Examiner stories?

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 26th October 2010, 6:00pm) *

You wanted to make a comparison with Wikipedia?

Well, congratulations, you just compared yourself with the worst of them and came our on bottom.


"Physician, heal thyself."

I offered my "opt out by subject of article" proposal. Where is Wikipedia's? I'm waiting to hear from Moellenberndt herself, thank you.
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post Tue 26th October 2010, 10:32pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 26th October 2010, 11:27pm) *

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 26th October 2010, 6:00pm) *

You wanted to make a comparison with Wikipedia?

Well, congratulations, you just compared yourself with the worst of them and came our on bottom.


"Physician, heal thyself."

I offered my "opt out by subject of article" proposal. Where is Wikipedia's? I'm waiting to hear from Moellenberndt herself, thank you.


Greg, have you any idea what a $*%%*$& £%^&"£ you look like now?


Words fail me.


To quote Alison (out of context) F*** you.

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post Tue 26th October 2010, 10:39pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Tue 26th October 2010, 8:43pm) *
(cue some non-sequitur about ED sysops. Just dont)

well, since you brought it up, Alison, contributing to Encyclopedia Dramatica is orders of magnitude more sleazy than anything Greg has done, and being an administrator there is even worse. I'm sure, however, that if you put your mind to it you can figr' a way to thump you chest in self-righteousness, 'bout all the good you've done there.

But yes, I agree, Greg's latest article is a little on the petty side.
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post Tue 26th October 2010, 11:48pm
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Why is it appropriate for Wikimedians to publicly document my activity on sites like Freelancer.com -- while prohibiting my response in their same forum; but it is inappropriate for me to publicly document a Wikimedian's activity on sites like Facebook.com -- even while welcoming and inviting them to respond? Why do I have to walk on eggshells


Don't stoop at their level! What has this newbie done anyway, other than being not adequately informed about the smoke of lies which permeates the organization?

Or if you want to stoop down at their level anyway, try to convince this Chris character that the organization is a scam and that she should look for something better. Show her some of the stuff about a certain person from High Pole City and the fact that he went to contact the offices in San Francisco, and that he could "contact" her at her university in San Jose while the foundation would do nothing to protect her. Make her THINK. Tough love laugh.gif
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 1:01am
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 26th October 2010, 6:32pm) *

Words fail me.

Doc, have you ever promoted or recommended or suggested one of my "good" Examiner articles to anyone, anywhere?
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 1:14am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 27th October 2010, 2:01am) *

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 26th October 2010, 6:32pm) *

Words fail me.

Doc, have you ever promoted or recommended or suggested one of my "good" Examiner articles to anyone, anywhere?



WTF?
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 2:13am
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 26th October 2010, 9:14pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 27th October 2010, 2:01am) *

QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Tue 26th October 2010, 6:32pm) *

Words fail me.

Doc, have you ever promoted or recommended or suggested one of my "good" Examiner articles to anyone, anywhere?



WTF?

Just wondering if you're actually a friend of the cause, or whether you're just bitching and moaning about things.
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 2:20am
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QUOTE(Alison @ Tue 26th October 2010, 4:43pm) *

...just some nobody who's recently stepped into an org she probably doesn't know all that well...

Wow, so you're calling her a "nobody" in her defense, and you're assuming she's so much of a nitwit that she wouldn't do any background research on the organization (or the boss) that's about to hire her for the next four months, even though she's getting her master's degree in Internet anthropology?

That is really streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching it, Alison.
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 2:51am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 27th October 2010, 2:20am) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Tue 26th October 2010, 4:43pm) *

...just some nobody who's recently stepped into an org she probably doesn't know all that well...

Wow, so you're calling her a "nobody" in her defense, and you're assuming she's so much of a nitwit that she wouldn't do any background research on the organization (or the boss) that's about to hire her for the next four months, even though she's getting her master's degree in Internet anthropology?

That is really streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching it, Alison.

How is this relevant? Whether or not she has a good grasp on the WMF, she just started an extremely short contract while doing postgrad, and has done nothing to warrant any media attention, and it is inappropriate to run an indepth piece on a person without their permission or some strong message that hinges on that person. If your story was about 'too much info' on the Internet, your article has a sample size of one. If your story is 'WMF is OMGFBAD', she isn't your target, and shouldn't be the focus. Either way, she is just convenient, and this article only reflects badly on you.

Consider this: how does your article influence the subjects worldview, or the worldview of anyone in your target audience?
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 3:25am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 25th October 2010, 9:55pm) *
This thread is now the #5 result on a Google search for Christine Moellenberndt.
Can a mod move this to a non-indexed area, please?
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 3:29am
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Tue 26th October 2010, 8:25pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 25th October 2010, 9:55pm) *
This thread is now the #5 result on a Google search for Christine Moellenberndt.
Can a mod move this to a non-indexed area, please?

I have no objection to that, or having my posts deleted.
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 3:47am
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Tue 26th October 2010, 10:25pm) *
Can a mod move this to a non-indexed area, please?

Does anyone know if the person in question, this Ms. Moellenberndt, has expressed a desire for that to happen? I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about - I agree that Greg here isn't doing much good for his (our?) cause by focusing on such a minor hire/employee, but that's his call and I'm not interested in trying to shame him over it. Besides, it looks like everything in the examiner.com article is legitimate.

Let's not overestimate the "impact" of a WR thread about someone who happens to have an unusual name, either. I mean, sure, it's conceivable that someone might read this thread as part of a future hiring process, but what's it going to prove? That she did, indeed, work for the WMF, and that she borrowed a lot of money for her education and has been having a tough time paying it all off in a down economy? For a lot of people, those would be reasons to give her a job, not refuse her one.

It's an accident of birth, but it sure looks to me like she's decided to take advantage of the unusual name to increase her visibility in the IT world, not hide from it. I doubt she's all that concerned about this thread, and she may even think it's amusing for all we know.
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post Wed 27th October 2010, 4:32am
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Tue 26th October 2010, 10:51pm) *

...and has done nothing to warrant any media attention...

How did she get onto CNN.com, then?
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 26th October 2010, 11:47pm) *
It's an accident of birth, but it sure looks to me like she's decided to take advantage of the unusual name to increase her visibility in the IT world, not hide from it. I doubt she's all that concerned about this thread, and she may even think it's amusing for all we know.
She's taking it in stride, from what I understand.

Say, what's your real name, Somey?
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 27th October 2010, 4:32am) *

QUOTE(jayvdb @ Tue 26th October 2010, 10:51pm) *

...and has done nothing to warrant any media attention...

How did she get onto CNN.com, then?

By being interviewed, and it looks like she was selected by the reporter because she represented what the reporter considered to be an average person in that scenario.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 26th October 2010, 8:47pm) *

It's an accident of birth, but it sure looks to me like she's decided to take advantage of the unusual name to increase her visibility in the IT world, not hide from it. I doubt she's all that concerned about this thread, and she may even think it's amusing for all we know.

It is a rather unusual name, even in German. This is a city of Mielno in Northwest Poland near the Baltic, that was formerly the German city of Groß Möllen (Big Mountain) until 1945. Möllen = Moellen means "Mountain". Berndt is short for Bernehardt and various variations, a German man's given name meaning "bear heart" or if you will, brave-heart. Goes back to the middle ages.

It's not hard to imagine a surname for a mountain-community person, or perhaps somebody from Groß Möllen, taking on a "Berndt" from somebody named that.

Her geneology, if she knows it, should be interesting. But hell, there's a story in everybody's geneology.
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