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Despite being banned from Wikipedia (and computers generally) by court order, notorious pedophilia editor Herostratus (T-C-L-K-R-D)
is still able to edit WP. How? By getting his court-appointed minder to edit for him, apparently. Check his edit log for proof. He's doing it, even while being banned from watching TV or listening to the radio. Mentioned here. Why is his account still active?
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th May 2010, 1:15pm) QUOTE(Viridae @ Fri 28th May 2010, 8:02am) Apologise for the block Herostratus, it was idiotic. Way too caught up in teh dramaz back then. Not that I've been keeping careful statistics or anything, but I frankly can't recall a single instance of anyone ever apologizing for a block. Ahem, I said I was sorry for blocking you on English Wikisource, both on your talk page and (iirc) during our IRC discussions. I would love to remove this block, but only if you agree to not use English Wikisource as a vector to bypass restrictions on other WMF projects. I would love it even more if you wanted to contribute to English Wikisource. ;-)
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Fri 28th May 2010, 10:33pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th May 2010, 1:15pm) QUOTE(Viridae @ Fri 28th May 2010, 8:02am) Apologise for the block Herostratus, it was idiotic. Way too caught up in teh dramaz back then. Not that I've been keeping careful statistics or anything, but I frankly can't recall a single instance of anyone ever apologizing for a block. Ahem, I said I was sorry for blocking you on English Wikisource, both on your talk page and (iirc) during our IRC discussions. I would love to remove this block, but only if you agree to not use English Wikisource as a vector to bypass restrictions on other WMF projects. I would love it even more if you wanted to contribute to English Wikisource. ;-) See this page and this page. Even if you unblocked me, it would have no effect. I would still be obliged to post without logging in, and I would still have to manually sign my posts and manually link them to a frozen user page that no one (except a local admin) could edit. It makes much more sense for me to do my work on the NetKnowledge Wiki, where I am free of the odious encumbrances of WMF prohibitions against doing academic studies of Wikimedia Ethics.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 4:20am) QUOTE(jayvdb @ Fri 28th May 2010, 10:33pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th May 2010, 1:15pm) QUOTE(Viridae @ Fri 28th May 2010, 8:02am) Apologise for the block Herostratus, it was idiotic. Way too caught up in teh dramaz back then. Not that I've been keeping careful statistics or anything, but I frankly can't recall a single instance of anyone ever apologizing for a block. Ahem, I said I was sorry for blocking you on English Wikisource, both on your talk page and (iirc) during our IRC discussions. I would love to remove this block, but only if you agree to not use English Wikisource as a vector to bypass restrictions on other WMF projects. I would love it even more if you wanted to contribute to English Wikisource. ;-) See this page and this page. Even if you unblocked me, it would have no effect. I would still be obliged to post without logging in, and I would still have to manually sign my posts and manually link them to a frozen user page that no one (except a local admin) could edit. It makes much more sense for me to do my work on the NetKnowledge Wiki, where I am free of the odious encumbrances of WMF prohibitions against doing academic studies of Wikimedia Ethics. Sorry, I forgot that you ended up with a global block. If you are no longer going to evade the indef block on en.wv, then I can ask for the global block to be removed as well. I hope NetKnowledge works out for you.
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Sat 29th May 2010, 12:56am) QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 4:20am) QUOTE(jayvdb @ Fri 28th May 2010, 10:33pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th May 2010, 1:15pm) QUOTE(Viridae @ Fri 28th May 2010, 8:02am) Apologise for the block Herostratus, it was idiotic. Way too caught up in teh dramaz back then. Not that I've been keeping careful statistics or anything, but I frankly can't recall a single instance of anyone ever apologizing for a block. Ahem, I said I was sorry for blocking you on English Wikisource, both on your talk page and (iirc) during our IRC discussions. I would love to remove this block, but only if you agree to not use English Wikisource as a vector to bypass restrictions on other WMF projects. I would love it even more if you wanted to contribute to English Wikisource. ;-) See this page and this page. Even if you unblocked me, it would have no effect. I would still be obliged to post without logging in, and I would still have to manually sign my posts and manually link them to a frozen user page that no one (except a local admin) could edit. It makes much more sense for me to do my work on the NetKnowledge Wiki, where I am free of the odious encumbrances of WMF prohibitions against doing academic studies of Wikimedia Ethics. Sorry, I forgot that you ended up with a global block. If you are no longer going to evade the indef block on en.wv, then I can ask for the global block to be removed as well. I hope NetKnowledge works out for you. Mainly, I hope NetKnowledge works out for SB_Johnny and Hillgentleman, both of whom have abandoned Wikiversity in the wake of the last round of interventions by Jimbo. Note that Jimbo personally dictated the global blocks on both Greg and myself. Jimbo also blocked PrivateMusings and de-sysopped SB_Johnny. And he said he would do it again "in defense of Wikiversity." It occurs to me that if Jimbo believes Wikiversity cannot function with the likes of PrivateMusings, SB_Johnny, Greg Kohs, or myself in residence there, then I frankly see no future for the project.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 6:50am) QUOTE(jayvdb @ Sat 29th May 2010, 12:56am) I hope NetKnowledge works out for you. Mainly, I hope NetKnowledge works out for SB_Johnny and Hillgentleman, both of whom have abandoned Wikiversity in the wake of the last round of interventions by Jimbo. Note that Jimbo personally dictated the global blocks on both Greg and myself. Jimbo also blocked PrivateMusings and de-sysopped SB_Johnny. And he said he would do it again "in defense of Wikiversity." It occurs to me that if Jimbo believes Wikiversity cannot function with the likes of PrivateMusings, SB_Johnny, Greg Kohs, or myself in residence there, then I frankly see no future for the project. I am sure that Wikiversity can proceed without contributors who are primarily interested in the Wikipedia Ethics project, but I am shocked to see that SB_Johnny was desysopped. No wonder the Wikiversity folk are pissed off.
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Sat 29th May 2010, 4:25am) QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 6:50am) QUOTE(jayvdb @ Sat 29th May 2010, 12:56am) I hope NetKnowledge works out for you. Mainly, I hope NetKnowledge works out for SB_Johnny and Hillgentleman, both of whom have abandoned Wikiversity in the wake of the last round of interventions by Jimbo. Note that Jimbo personally dictated the global blocks on both Greg and myself. Jimbo also blocked PrivateMusings and de-sysopped SB_Johnny. And he said he would do it again "in defense of Wikiversity." It occurs to me that if Jimbo believes Wikiversity cannot function with the likes of PrivateMusings, SB_Johnny, Greg Kohs, or myself in residence there, then I frankly see no future for the project. I am sure that Wikiversity can proceed without contributors who are primarily interested in the Wikipedia Ethics project, but I am shocked to see that SB_Johnny was desysopped. No wonder the Wikiversity folk are pissed off. Sure, WMF-sponsored projects can continue without any kind of self-reflection on questions of ethics, but for how long? Consider that such common features of WikiCulture as BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, and ArbCom cases all involve the examination of living persons -- either people who are the subject of articles or editors who are crafting those articles. How is it that a small project on Wikiversity to introduce the fundamental concepts of ethics is out of line, but all those BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, and ArbCom cases are just fine? Which would have been better for Paul Mitchell -- a low-profile study of the ethical lapses of IDCab or the Arbcom case in which he was unanimously condemned as a corrupt admin who egregiously abused his powers?
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 10:46am) Sure, WMF-sponsored projects can continue without any kind of self-reflection on questions of ethics, but for how long?
Consider that such common features of WikiCulture as BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, and ArbCom cases all involve the examination of living persons -- either people who are the subject of articles or editors who are crafting those articles. How is it that a small project on Wikiversity to introduce the fundamental concepts of ethics is out of line, but all those BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, and ArbCom cases are just fine?
Which would have been better for Paul Mitchell -- a low-profile study of the ethical lapses of IDCab or the Arbcom case in which he was unanimously condemned as a corrupt admin who egregiously abused his powers?
As I said in another thread, WMF projects do need to consider the ethics of projects. However the lack of ethics on English Wikipedia is not reason for Wikiversity to allow projects which lack appropriate ethical controls. I hope that NetKnowledge will make a reasonable attempt to do the right thing in this regard.
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Sat 29th May 2010, 9:20pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Sat 29th May 2010, 10:46am) Sure, WMF-sponsored projects can continue without any kind of self-reflection on questions of ethics, but for how long?
Consider that such common features of WikiCulture as BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, and ArbCom cases all involve the examination of living persons -- either people who are the subject of articles or editors who are crafting those articles. How is it that a small project on Wikiversity to introduce the fundamental concepts of ethics is out of line, but all those BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, and ArbCom cases are just fine?
Which would have been better for Paul Mitchell -- a low-profile study of the ethical lapses of IDCab or the Arbcom case in which he was unanimously condemned as a corrupt admin who egregiously abused his powers? As I said in another thread, WMF projects do need to consider the ethics of projects. However the lack of ethics on English Wikipedia is not reason for Wikiversity to allow projects which lack appropriate ethical controls. I hope that NetKnowledge will make a reasonable attempt to do the right thing in this regard. For what it's worth, the WV study project expressly adopted the WV Proposed Policy on Scholarly Ethics. The subjects of the review were invited to respond to the case studies or to write up their own alternate versions of the case studies. They were also invited to put questions to those writing up the case studies. But instead of doing that, they insisted on revising or deleting the signed submissions of others. Eventually they prevailed on Jimbo to delete the project altogether. In doing so, they demonstrated their appalling lack of ethical standards. Note also that the members of IDCab did not extend any of those courtesies to those whom they were characterizing in WP BLPs, RfCs, ANIs, etc. This post has been edited by Moulton:
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