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Yeah, it seems to take people who could've been good people and just turn them into sociopathic manipulators to get what they want because the whole system is designed that way because so many people get away with it... like Herschelkrustofsky and the admins sockpuppeting wars between each other, they're all as bad as each other really just different sides, ugh...

me I just don't want to go anywhere near those kind of lines... So I don't want to get involved in any of the controversial stuff there because it's just irretrievably broken... But then pretty much anything can be turned controversial, like nationalists with an agenda on otherwise innocuous articles sneakily rewriting history. So it's like the only real thing to do is just keep away from Wikipedia, but then it's so important now on Google too. What the hell :/

They need to develop some kind of policy to recognise the fact that they cannot actually tell who is a sockpuppet and who is not, get rid of the ridiculous "AGF" stuff and be realistic and treat everyone like the random anons they are, and trust on content not contributor

I think it's not just a problem with Wikipedia though, it's a problem with the internet, because when you get down to it, it's all the same tactics of astroturfing but unpaid (well, usually, Herschelkrustofsky and some others obviously get paid for it) - and the law and means of detection just hasn't caught up with the technology really, I'm not sure if it can ever be without being overly invasive. *sigh*
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QUOTE(Selina @ Sun 26th February 2012, 10:13pm) *

Yeah, it seems to take people who could've been good people and just turn them into sociopathic manipulators to get what they want because the whole system is designed that way because so many people get away with it... like Herschelkrustofsky and the admins sockpuppeting wars between each other, they're all as bad as each other really just different sides, ugh...

me I just don't want to go anywhere near those kind of lines... So I don't want to get involved in any of the controversial stuff there because it's just irretrievably broken... But then pretty much anything can be turned controversial, like nationalists with an agenda on otherwise innocuous articles sneakily rewriting history. So it's like the only real thing to do is just keep away from Wikipedia, but then it's so important now on Google too. What the hell :/

They need to develop some kind of policy to recognise the fact that they cannot actually tell who is a sockpuppet and who is not, get rid of the ridiculous "AGF" stuff and be realistic and treat everyone like the random anons they are, and trust on content not contributor

I think it's not just a problem with Wikipedia though, it's a problem with the internet, because when you get down to it, it's all the same tactics of astroturfing but unpaid (well, usually, Herschelkrustofsky and some others obviously get paid for it) - and the law and means of detection just hasn't caught up with the technology really, I'm not sure if it can ever be without being overly invasive. *sigh*


Is there anyway you could refrain from using the phrase " Herschelkrustofsky" for like... next two weeks at least?

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melloden   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cla68/DR_draft_...  
Zoloft   I know Will reads this website (he once emailed me...  
It's the blimp, Frank   Why was it blanked?  
Cla68   Why was it blanked? It's going to take me a...  
Beer me   Why was it blanked? It's going to take me ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Will continues his anti-LaRouche crusade here at t...  
It's the blimp, Frank   Will continues his anti-LaRouche crusade here at ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   It looks like Fred never wrote more than a few sen...  
Mathsci   And there is now a wild melee on the talk page at...  
Herschelkrustofsky   And there is now a wild melee on the talk page at ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   As has been pointed out, the single purpose accou...  
Mathsci   Was BLP policy designed to be applied to large pol...  
Zoloft   Was BLP policy designed to be applied to large po...  
Cla68   Funny, Hipocrite learns of that discussion from th...  
lilburne   Will Beback, for example, apparently keeps a runn...  
It's the blimp, Frank   [quote name='Mathsci' post='285106' date='Sun 25t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I see that both MathSci and Hipocrite believe tha...  
lilburne   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='285...  
The Joy   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='285...  
lilburne   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='285155' da...  
Zoloft   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='285155' d...  
Herschelkrustofsky   That is difficult since my suggestion to Will mon...  
lilburne   [quote name='lilburne' post='285163' date='Mon 26...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Waalkes seems to have hit a nerve with this line o...  
Cla68   Waalkes seems to have hit a nerve with [url=http:...  
It's the blimp, Frank   But remember, this Wikipedia. The rules of reality...  
It's the blimp, Frank   MathSci thinks that Cla68 may have ownership issue...  
It's the blimp, Frank   Will Beback's fans are legion, and I wanted t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Will Beback's fans are legion, and I wanted to...  
Milton Roe   Will Beback's fans are legion, and I wanted t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Any seasoned Wikipedian can tell you that cherry-p...  
mbz1   what is going on with Will Beback? http://en.wikip...  
lilburne   what is going on with Will Beback? [url=http://en...  
gomi   You may follow some of the drama here.  
mbz1   You may follow some of the drama here. Sorry, my...  
Tarc   The shower of posthumous barnstars is...interestin...  
SB_Johnny   The shower of posthumous barnstars is...interesti...  
Cla68   Will Beback had a number of causes that he pursued...  
gomi   The problem with Will, however, was that he often ...  
radek   The problem with Will, however, was that he often...  
jd turk   Wikipedia, how she exists right now, doesn't ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   When Will first got involved at the LaRouche artic...  
radek   When Will first got involved at the LaRouche arti...  
lilburne   On the other hand, you got Poland and Ukraine. Go...  
mbz1   me I just don't want to go anywhere near tho...  
Cedric   Yeah, it seems to take people who could've b...  
radek   You're probably right, but maybe I want to ...  
EricBarbour   You're probably right, but maybe I want to be...  
jsalsman   I don't want to get involved in any of the con...  
Selina   Probably a good idea. But anyway, got anything to ...  
mbz1   Isn't this strange how wikipedia's wheel o...  
lilburne   And now Lar is gone, and Will is banned himself, ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   What I find perverted is this usage of 'user...  


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