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ChrisO prepares an RFC about Elonka and Elonka prepares a response. FWIW I don't think Elonka has handled this situation very well at all.
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QUOTE(alan323 @ Wed 30th July 2008, 12:16am) *

ChrisO prepares an RFC about Elonka and Elonka prepares a response. FWIW I don't think Elonka has handled this situation very well at all.


ChrisO needs someone to co-sign his RfC with him after he posts it, or else it will be deleted after 48 hours.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 29th July 2008, 9:32pm) *

QUOTE(alan323 @ Wed 30th July 2008, 12:16am) *

ChrisO prepares an RFC about Elonka and Elonka prepares a response. FWIW I don't think Elonka has handled this situation very well at all.


ChrisO needs someone to co-sign his RfC with him after he posts it, or else it will be deleted after 48 hours.


Apropos of nothing, I just glanced at both of those pages and it drove home to me one of the reasons I left wikipedia. As a writer, why would I ever want to write that many words for free?
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Apropos of nothing, I just glanced at both of those pages and it drove home to me one of the reasons I left wikipedia. As a writer, why would I ever want to write that many words for free?

I completely agree. It is a complete waste of energy. Contributing to something that is so unpleasant and dysfunctional - if not cruel? No. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)
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QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Wed 30th July 2008, 3:28am) *

QUOTE(jd turk @ Tue 29th July 2008, 9:24pm) *

Apropos of nothing, I just glanced at both of those pages and it drove home to me one of the reasons I left wikipedia. As a writer, why would I ever want to write that many words for free?

I completely agree. It is a complete waste of energy. Contributing to something that is so unpleasant and dysfunctional - if not cruel? No. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif)

What makes it even worse would be when someone then comes and erases it all.

I read through both arguements, and I side more with Elonka on this issue. Then again, I am bias on this issue. But her arguements do seem stronger to me. I do not think ChrisO is really a "neutral" party here. His pro-palestinian bias has been pointed out before. He has a habit of wronglfully claiming to be "neutral" on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I still remember how angry he got at me for my views on the Allegations of Apartheid issues.

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QUOTE(Yahel Guhan @ Wed 30th July 2008, 4:45am) *

His pro-palestinian bias has been pointed out before. He has a habit of wronglfully claiming to be "neutral" on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I don't think that link demonstrates what you think it does (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) Where is the pro-palestinian stuff?

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QUOTE(alan323 @ Wed 30th July 2008, 10:14am) *

QUOTE(Yahel Guhan @ Wed 30th July 2008, 4:45am) *

His pro-palestinian bias has been pointed out before. He has a habit of wronglfully claiming to be "neutral" on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

I don't think that link demonstrates what you think it does (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) Where is the pro-palestinian stuff?


Here are a few examples:

See here, where he makes his support for the existance of the Israeli apartheid article clear for one. Second, I think his recent opening statement to the Muhammad al-Durrah mediation is very revealing about his personal feelings toward the conflict.

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The subject of the article is the focus of an aggressive off-wiki campaign by a number of right-wing and pro-Israeli nationalist bloggers and activists, with support from a few op-ed columnists in ideologically sympathetic media outlets.


Then there is his AFD nomination of Ouze Merham and his delete vote for Pallywood.

Overall, when I was editing, every disputed edit ever I saw him make was either pro-palestinian or anti-Israel. I have yet to see him take the Israeli side of the dispute, while he has taken the palestinian side many times. There may be an example I am unaware of, but I have not seen it. For these reasons, I conclude he is pro-Palestinian.

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QUOTE(Yahel Guhan @ Wed 30th July 2008, 11:22am) *

Overall, when I was editing, every disputed edit ever I saw him make was either pro-palestinian or anti-Israel. I have yet to see him take the Israeli side of the dispute, while he has taken the palestinian side many times. There may be an example I am unaware of, but I have not seen it. For these reasons, I conclude he is pro-Palestinian.

Well, hell, we can't have that. Since all the pro-Israel types have been booted off Wikipedia ages ago, if we had even one pro-Palestinian remaining, it would hopelessly pull the entire project into a vicious political warp, from which it might never return. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

Banniate him, therefore! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

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