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QUOTE(Text @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 10:24am) QUOTE Seems like he's long since realized that his supporters have given him a certain amount of power, and it's gone straight to his head. He's as arrogant as any of the most abusive admins these days, and he's long since lost a coherent cause for his drama. He has zero power, but he has people who cover his shoulders because they like the drama. He has friends who provide moral support, and sometimes run interference...but it's his "enemies" who provide him power. More fuss gets raised around him, than he ever causes directly, that the best outcome of any encounter simply becomes "don't get involved in the first place." Earlier today, I was talking with some friends about a online video where some tech news blog managed to get a skype session going with someone from Westboro Baptist Church and someone from Anonymous in a joint interview. One of my friends said, "good interviewer...very polite to both sides." To which another friend responded, "well, yeah. I wouldn't want to talk to someone from WBC or Anonymous...either one of them could make your life miserable." Threads on ANI about Giano should, in reasonable people, provoke similar responses.
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QUOTE(Text @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 10:24am) He has zero power, but he has people who cover his shoulders because they like the drama. That's largely true, but not entirely. There are people who think that Giano is, or will be, their savior, and who support him on that basis. However, they're not a large enough coalition to have a measurable, long-term impact on Wikipedia's political culture. Most of his "support" is just people who cheer him on because he puts on a good show.
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 8:07pm) QUOTE(Text @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 10:24am) He has zero power, but he has people who cover his shoulders because they like the drama. That's largely true, but not entirely. There are people who think that Giano is, or will be, their savior, and who support him on that basis. However, they're not a large enough coalition to have a measurable, long-term impact on Wikipedia's political culture. Most of his "support" is just people who cheer him on because he puts on a good show. No, most of the people who support him recall the attempts by "the powers that be" to remove him for pointing out their mistakes and embarrassing them - and every time some innocent brings up (sometimes valid) issues with his behaviour and it is jumped upon by the usual suspects as another attempt to have him banned, then some of the other usual suspects will again man the barricades. This presupposes that there are those who believe that there are others who are still petty enough to still try and punish Giano for "indiscretions" in the past. Well, there are and there are. The result that WP:CIVIL is largely deprecated is the fault of those who attempted to use it as a gag, and not Giano's.
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QUOTE(LessHorrid vanU @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 9:35pm)
No, most of the people who support him recall the attempts by "the powers that be" to remove him for pointing out their mistakes and embarrassing them - and every time some innocent brings up (sometimes valid) issues with his behaviour and it is jumped upon by the usual suspects as another attempt to have him banned, then some of the other usual suspects will again man the barricades.
This presupposes that there are those who believe that there are others who are still petty enough to still try and punish Giano for "indiscretions" in the past. Well, there are and there are. The result that WP:CIVIL is largely deprecated is the fault of those who attempted to use it as a gag, and not Giano's.
+5 post! IMO G has two main problems: 1) He's not changed his act nor his tactics in several Wiki generations. 2) Although he's still a hero to an increasingly diminished number of old tymers, who remember back when he was the No. 6 of the Wiki-village (IE the only high profile contributor openly and effectively standing up to the cabalistas on site and getting away with it), The WP classes of 08 and after see him more as a privileged pain. He jumped the shark when he openly defended Jimbeau over Marsden instead of going in for the kill. I have no idea what his game plan was then or is now. I'm not sure he even has one...if he does, it could be described in architectural terms as Baroque-Opaque. His last triumph of any significance, was in helping to being down that bestiality loving gas bag FT2, which is now ancient history. His poor showing in the most recent Arb elections are indicative of this. Face it, Giacomo, unless you can do a better job of rousing the rabble and appealing to the newcomers, you will become a relic...like me.
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Sun 6th March 2011, 11:06pm) QUOTE(LessHorrid vanU @ Thu 3rd March 2011, 9:35pm)
No, most of the people who support him recall the attempts by "the powers that be" to remove him for pointing out their mistakes and embarrassing them - and every time some innocent brings up (sometimes valid) issues with his behaviour and it is jumped upon by the usual suspects as another attempt to have him banned, then some of the other usual suspects will again man the barricades.
This presupposes that there are those who believe that there are others who are still petty enough to still try and punish Giano for "indiscretions" in the past. Well, there are and there are. The result that WP:CIVIL is largely deprecated is the fault of those who attempted to use it as a gag, and not Giano's.
+5 post! IMO G has two main problems: 1) He's not changed his act nor his tactics in several Wiki generations. 2) Although he's still a hero to an increasingly diminished number of old tymers, who remember back when he was the No. 6 of the Wiki-village (IE the only high profile contributor openly and effectively standing up to the cabalistas on site and getting away with it), The WP classes of 08 and after see him more as a privileged pain. He jumped the shark when he openly defended Jimbeau over Marsden instead of going in for the kill. I have no idea what his game plan was then or is now. I'm not sure he even has one...if he does, it could be described in architectural terms as Baroque-Opaque. His last triumph of any significance, was in helping to being down that bestiality loving gas bag FT2, which is now ancient history. His poor showing in the most recent Arb elections are indicative of this. Face it, Giacomo, unless you can do a better job of rousing the rabble and appealing to the newcomers, you will become a relic...like me. I'm not bothered about becoming a relic - I've been that for years and I have never had a grand game plan. I shall continue to do what I've always done, when I see something that does not seem right - hold my nose and jump in and worry about the consequences afterwards - I might have to tread water sometimes, but swimming against the tide is something I am well used to. some of my "crusades" have been understood (eventually) and some never at all, but there are none that I regret - including the Jimbeau "affair" (pardon the pun) - some (not all) of the things he was accused of were unfair, so I pointed it out. It was as simple as that Anyhow, there are far more like me now, so I don't have to work so hard - in fact I am very happy to leave things to the "new generation" - things don't seem to be as clear cut as they used to be and I have lost the impetus. I can't fathom this Rod&Emu business at all. Why was he ever permitted to be admin - and remain so, for so long? Then we have an Arb who I find extremely concerning - another disaster for Wikipedia waiting to drop there, I bet. At one time, I would have gone out and highlighted it; I can't be bothered any more because nothing changes. I'll leave the reasons for that for you to fathom. I don't think there has been an Arbcom case against me for ages, so I must be on the way out. There was a silly kerfuffle on ANI the other day, but that was swiftly dealt with - did you see GWH on my page (oh LOL). So it looks like I'm just another old Wikiedia has been. I'm quite happy with that. But I am so glad to see others that are now not frightened of questioning and being blocked by the spurious, juvenile Admins that the project's management delights in encouraging because it keeps them where they are at the expense of the project. Giacomo.
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QUOTE(chrisoff @ Mon 25th April 2011, 2:23pm) Yup!
I hadn't noticed. There is a time limit on posts?
Are you the police? What do you care?
Note to forum posters: In order to appear less of a douche, replies like the following are advised. QUOTE I hadn't noticed. My apologies.
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QUOTE(chrisoff @ Tue 26th April 2011, 4:21pm) Why defend obvious sockpuppet friends of Giano liike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ka_...herine_de_BurghLady Ka of Catherine de Burgh is an obvious sockpuppet of the "beloved" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BishzillaBishizlla "awarded" Lady Katherine with an "Awesome Wikipedian" award! To a person who apparently never actually added content to wikipedia but served as a sockpuppet to further the end of of certain users. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=361721085They need another word for those. 'Fluffpuppet' would work on several levels. They are annoying and should be removed. One account, and a doppelganger for admins to edit without accidentally handing the mop to a Wi-fi hacker in a coffee shop should be about it. Of course, I would prefer that IP editors be disallowed in the software, and anyone who wanted to edit Wikipedia had to use their proper name. But that's not going to happen the way the culture evolved. This post has been edited by Zoloft:
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QUOTE(chrisoff @ Wed 27th April 2011, 4:09pm) Your response shows how deep the corruption is, and why editors are dropping off. The corruption is definitely deep, but I don't think his response necessarily sheds any additional light on why... As for why editors are dropping off, I suspect you're assigning a bit more importance to Mr. Giano's circle of Wikifriends than may be warranted, at least in comparison to all the other reasons why editors are dropping off. So, Mr. Chrisoff, do you say these things merely because you feel Mr. Giano and his circle are an annoyance, or is there more to it than that? Personally, I'd say the fact that WP is more of a social network than anything else (for its users, at least) is one of the less-pressing problems it has, unless the social-networking aspect is also preventing the more pressing problems from getting solved. (Do you think it is?)
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If Giano =GianoII= Giano Returned = Lady Ka of Catherine de Burgh = Bishzilla (and all her various other sockpuppets) including Bishonen, then we have an ArbCom member Ellen of the Roads posting to Bishonen http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=426289591So Ellen of the Roads feeds into this sockpuppet mess?
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QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 28th April 2011, 1:39pm) If Giano =GianoII= Giano Returned = Lady Ka of Catherine de Burgh = Bishzilla (and all her various other sockpuppets) including Bishonen, then we have an ArbCom member Ellen of the Roads posting to Bishonen http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=426289591So Ellen of the Roads feeds into this sockpuppet mess? No, let me make it clearer - Bishonen is not the same person as Giano. Bishonen has a sockpuppet, Bishzilla. Giano has had several accounts: Giano, Giano II, GiacomoReturned and others, as well as sockpuppets Catherine de Burgh and Ka of Catherine de Burgh.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Thu 28th April 2011, 8:54pm) QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 28th April 2011, 8:49pm) Bishonen has Bishzilla
Little Stupid
Bishapod
Bish and chips
Barwinish
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That's off the top of my head. Probably has a half a million more.
So Ellen of the Roads feeds into all this? And other Arbs also?
Wonderful.
Scandalous aint it. Anyone would think Wikipedia was a social networking website, when of course in reality it's a valuable educational resource that exists solely to promote knowledge. Ironically, if you want to scream at the social networkers on Wikipedia, you are screaming at the wrong people. Giano and Bishonen are strong content contributors. Their sock-puppets have more in common with with in-house office humour than with social networking. There are plenty people who are about Wikipedia for social networking - but that's the crowd who create only little articles, maybe a DYK and then spend their time inventing new barnstars or signing up for 400 useless wikiprojects - or those who hang out on ANI looking for drama. Sure, Bishonen and Giano do a bit of useless (and sometimes childish) pissing about (who doesn't?), but they also put in many long lonely hours on FAs. You can criticise that, but it isn't done for cheap and quick attention. This post has been edited by Doc glasgow:
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QUOTE(Doc glasgow @ Thu 28th April 2011, 9:57pm) QUOTE(RMHED @ Thu 28th April 2011, 8:54pm) QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 28th April 2011, 8:49pm) Bishonen has Bishzilla
Little Stupid
Bishapod
Bish and chips
Barwinish
At least.
That's off the top of my head. Probably has a half a million more.
So Ellen of the Roads feeds into all this? And other Arbs also?
Wonderful.
Scandalous aint it. Anyone would think Wikipedia was a social networking website, when of course in reality it's a valuable educational resource that exists solely to promote knowledge. Ironically, if you want to scream at the social networkers on Wikipedia, you are screaming at the wrong people. Giano and Bishonen are strong content contributors. Their sock-puppets have more in common with with in-house office humour than with social networking. There are plenty people who are about Wikipedia for social networking - but that's the crowd who create only little articles, maybe a DYK and then spend their time inventing new barnstars or signing up for 400 useless wikiprojects - or those who hang out on ANI looking for drama. Sure, Bishonen and Giano do a bit of useless (and sometimes childish) pissing about (who doesn't?), but they also put in many long lonely hours on FAs. You can criticise that, but it isn't done for cheap and quick attention.It's all a form of egoism. You don't seriously believe it's altruistic do you?
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Creating 40 articles in six years? http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/inde...cts=noredirectsReally, that's considered prolific? Check out those "articles" on the list. They're pathetic. Does she have ''any'' FACs? Even GAs? And when has she done anything in the last, oh, four or five years, except spout baby talk? And here are her contributions to the Commons http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/BishapodIs this altruistic article writing and contributions? This is narcissism that Arbcom feeds into and approves. This post has been edited by chrisoff:
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