SlimVirgin's new presentation on "Cyberstalking", ...does she mean "her" cyberstalking or other cyberstalking? Options

[Nathan]

In slimiotics, the termofart cyberstalk means to criticize SlimVirgin and her her butties on the internet.

Jonny B)

If you've spent any time in the UK, you'll notice how unintentionally hilarious that sentence looks - "SlimVirgin and her sandwiches"? ('butty' is a Britishism for 'sandwich')
Damn, dinnertime came and went without my knowing it.

[blissyu2]

In slimiotics, the termofart cyberstalk means to criticize SlimVirgin and her her butties on the internet.

Jonny

If you've spent any time in the UK, you'll notice how unintentionally hilarious that sentence looks - "SlimVirgin and her sandwiches"? ('butty' is a Britishism for 'sandwich')
Damn, dinnertime came and went without my knowing it.

I liked the first version of that page. I don't know why they got rid of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=62075625

Anyway off topic.

Or actually this version (except they can't spell "delicacy"):
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=62075755

[LamontStormstar]

I liked the first version of that page. I don't know why they got rid of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=62075625

Wikipedia always tends to get rid of good edits.


This post has been edited by LamontStormstar: Wed 5th September 2007, 2:47am

[Jonny Cache]

In slimiotics, the termofart cyberstalk means to criticize SlimVirgin and her her butties on the internet.

Jonny

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If you've spent any time in the UK, you'll notice how unintentionally hilarious that sentence looks — "SlimVirgin and her sandwiches"? ('butty' is a Britishism for 'sandwich')

Damn, dinnertime came and went without my knowing it.

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[Nathan]

Yes, yes, my fault entirely.

[blissyu2]

Yes, well, just so you know Armed Blowfish wrote a reply to SlimVirgin:

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000019.html

[Jonny Cache]

Yes, yes, my fault entirely.

Please understand — I am not the one who suggested such tactics. I am simply making the customary form of WR:POINT about the probable consequences of implementing such a suggestion.

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 5th September 2007, 4:04am

[blissyu2]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

[LamontStormstar]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it.


This post has been edited by LamontStormstar: Wed 5th September 2007, 4:14am

[Jonny Cache]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

I think a lot of older folks — y'know, pushing eleventy-one or so — probably ran out to the all-nite pharmacy for more hypertension meds, lest they blow a gasket trying to absorb any more of SlimVirgin's Hypersaturated Fatty Asshead Baloney™.

Jonny

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[blissyu2]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it.

Well, on Wikipedia I wasn't cyberstalked, I think the correct term is "cyberbullied". SlimVirgin herself didn't do it - but she encouraged it, and supported them doing it, and then she protected them afterwards. Of course another example was Malber. SlimVirgin didn't ask Malber to harass Selina, but when Malber started to, SlimVirgin supported him doing it.

I don't know if we can go so far as to say that SlimVirgin is responsible for cyber stalking, because it doesn't seem to happen very much on Wikipedia full stop (not from what I can tell). But we can say that she is a part of the structure that exists on Wikipedia to support cyber stalking, which is just waiting for someone to abuse it.

[BobbyBombastic]

Link:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000018.html

Its on meta, which nobody reads. I don't know why she bothered. Is it copied elsewhere?

It's on foundation-l too, (clicky) and I sort of expect it to show up elsewhere.

Anyways, that will teach her to solicit emails, blissy emailed her! Look out Linda!

I wouldn't get too worked up over this, whether you are pro-Linda, anti-Linda, or somewhere in between, it is the same old same old. She does not have solutions or even seek solutions to what she thinks the problem is--she just wants to tell sob stories that appeal to emotion over intellect, hoping that some reaction (presumably sympathetic to her) is stimulated.

Right now I'm thinking of this "paper" as a Musical Linguist and ElinorD type epic on steroids. If you are familiar with those two, you know what I mean.

I must admit, in some ways this causes me to pity her more, for her perceptions regarding these things are totally warped, which leads people to believe she is at least a hypocrite and at the most she has serious mental problems. So in a way, she has succeeded already--she has my pity.

[Jonny Cache]

Lots of people reading this, not many people replying. Have we already said all that can be said?

Maybe we can do thorough and detailed research on how she has been and is behind cyberstalking and make a blog post on it.

Well, on Wikipedia I wasn't cyberstalked, I think the correct term is "cyberbullied". SlimVirgin herself didn't do it — but she encouraged it, and supported them doing it, and then she protected them afterwards. Of course another example was Malber. SlimVirgin didn't ask Malber to harass Selina, but when Malber started to, SlimVirgin supported him doing it.

I don't know if we can go so far as to say that SlimVirgin is responsible for cyber stalking, because it doesn't seem to happen very much on Wikipedia full stop (not from what I can tell). But we can say that she is a part of the structure that exists on Wikipedia to support cyber stalking, which is just waiting for someone to abuse it.

These are good observations.

The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why?

What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two?

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Wed 5th September 2007, 4:51am

[blissyu2]

These are good observations.

The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why?

What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two?

Jonny

In the Lulu case, the bully and the protector both got to control their precious articles, and got power out of it, something that they both wanted. Its pretty simple stuff. In some cases, SlimVirgin plays victim and gets knights in shining armour to protect her, hence the knights get the feeling that they are doing something good by doing it, and don't realise what is really going on.

It's on foundation-l too, (clicky) and I sort of expect it to show up elsewhere.

It has quite a few replies already:

Delirium seems to think that it is a biased study that will never get accurate results.

Brianna suggested it was reasonable though

SlimVirgin suggested that cyber stalking was a big problem

George Herbert agreed with Delirium that it was a biased study

So will this catch on more? Will it get to WikiEN-l too?

Anyways, that will teach her to solicit emails, blissy emailed her! Look out Linda!

She didn't reply, but I CC'ed Armed Blowfish, and Armed Blowfish replied.

I think that this is akin to a cyber stalker making a page saying how awful it is that they are being stalked, so as to distract from what they are doing. "I'm not doing anything wrong! See here, there's proof!"

Same kind of thing really. I think it is an attempt to illicit sympathy for her, and has no genuine aspect to it.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

The irony of SlimVirgin complaining about cyberstalking is that she and especially her buddy Jayjg have had done more cyberstalking to others than everyone else has done to the two of them.

And let us not forget her other tag-team partner, Will Beback, who is credited with being the inventor of Wikistalking.

[Jonny Cache]

These are good observations.

The next question to ask is the one that I always ask next — Why?

What does the protégé bully get and what does the patron protector get in the connivance between the two?

Jonny

In the Lulu case, the bully and the protector both got to control their precious articles, and got power out of it, something that they both wanted. Its pretty simple stuff. In some cases, SlimVirgin plays victim and gets knights in shining armour to protect her, hence the knights get the feeling that they are doing something good by doing it, and don't realise what is really going on.

My guess would be that the protégé gets — just like the word protégé says, protection — a limited immunity from prosecution for acts of aggression toward others. Maybe the protégé gets the ego-juice of believing he or she is doing something good. But we are talking about a bully here. There has got to be more to it than a feeling of doing something good. The bully gets to vent feelings of personal frustration on others who are weaker. And notice how the weak are made, not born — they are made weak precisely because they do not get the protection of the protector.

But all of this only raises the question — frustration about what?

As to the question of what the patron protector gets in the bargain, "Knights In Shining Armour" (KISA) is right on target, "a veritable hit", as they say. In feudal times (not all that different from our wikipheudal times), they called that fealty, in a word, loyalty — and in the bargain the incumbent pledge of service that the vassal owed to the local overlord for the promise of protection.

But do you really think that being lord-lady and master-mistress over some zoo full of pet articles is really the end of it? Or is that merely the means to a more grandiose end?

So the next question is — toward the greater glory of what?

Jonny

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

My hunch is that Virginia Slim is launching an offensive here to deflect the well-earned scrutiny of her behavior which followed the Ohmynews scandal and the revelations about her sock-puppetry. She is skilled at putting together fallacy of composition arguments, along the lines of this:

1. Many people say that they have experienced great psychic pain because they have been cyberstalked. This is especially true when they are admins. It is even more especially true when they are female admins. Nota bene: I am a female admin.

2. The recent exposés of my sockpuppetry, my previous shady activities as a putative journalist, and my general exploitation of Wikipedia for dubious purposes, were the work of cyberstalkers, who, it is said, cause great psychic pain to many people, especially admins, especially female admins, etc., etc.

3. Therefore, these recent exposés of my misconduct should be ignored, despite the fact that I am guilty as sin, so as not to give aid and comfort to the cyberstalkers.

[Kato]

My hunch is that Virginia Slim is launching an offensive here to deflect the well-earned scrutiny of her behavior which followed the Ohmynews scandal and the revelations about her sock-puppetry. She is skilled at putting together fallacy of composition arguments, along the lines of this:

1. Many people say that they have experienced great psychic pain because they have been cyberstalked. This is especially true when they are admins. It is even more especially true when they are female admins. Nota bene: I am a female admin.

2. The recent exposés of my sockpuppetry, my previous shady activities as a putative journalist, and my general exploitation of Wikipedia for dubious purposes, were the work of cyberstalkers, who, it is said, cause great psychic pain to many people, especially admins, especially female admins, etc., etc.

3. Therefore, these recent exposés of my misconduct should be ignored, despite the fact that I am guilty as sin, so as not to give aid and comfort to the cyberstalkers.

My feelings entirely. Although I'd describe it as defensive rather than offensive. With all the flak she's been taking, her support is simply eroding away, her power flagging. Kelly Martin's blog post, almost demanding that she give up the ghost, was a big nail in the coffin as far as I can see. And Slim is resorting to desperate measures to retain some kind of control over her future on WP.

I'd like to add that I predicted this eventuality some months ago.

[Jonny Cache]

My hunch is that Virginia Slim is launching an offensive here to deflect the well-earned scrutiny of her behavior which followed the Ohmynews scandal and the revelations about her sock-puppetry. She is skilled at putting together fallacy of composition arguments, along the lines of this:

1. Many people say that they have experienced great psychic pain because they have been cyberstalked. This is especially true when they are admins. It is even more especially true when they are female admins. Nota bene: I am a female admin.
2. The recent exposés of my sockpuppetry, my previous shady activities as a putative journalist, and my general exploitation of Wikipedia for dubious purposes, were the work of cyberstalkers, who, it is said, cause great psychic pain to many people, especially admins, especially female admins, etc., etc.
3. Therefore, these recent exposés of my misconduct should be ignored, despite the fact that I am guilty as sin, so as not to give aid and comfort to the cyberstalkers.

Of course, the big problem with WikiPseudoDemographics is that it's never the sadistics of What One Is (WOI), but always the sadistics of What One Pretends One Is (WOPOI).

This naturally creates a peculiar brand of equivocation when one charges others with discrimination and persecution on the basis of WOPOI.

To wit, or not, you cannot really claim that they persecute you because you are X, you can only claim that they persecute you because you pretend to be X.

So maybe it's the pretense that really pisses people off.

Did you ever think of that ???

Noooooooooo …

Jonny

[blissyu2]

I have always said that people who know about a subject should be writing about it. People like Crockspot should write on Wikipedia so that all of the white supremist articles have the pro-supremacy point of view represented. All of the paedophiles on Wikipedia should write so that they have a pro-paedophilia point of view. And SlimVirgin should write so that they have a pro-stalking point of view.

Also note this reply:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikim...ber/000020.html

Now added to the Wiki-research-l mailing list. Will it be in them all by the end of the week?

Apparently its not there yet:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-...ber/thread.html