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Three-to-one-on that this argument results in (1) someone being blocked, (2) someone saying "do you know who I am?", (3) someone whining on Jimmy Wales's talkpage and/or (4) a mention in the Register. You heard it here first.
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I would go farther than Dan, to point out that religions are not the only variety of belief systems that people adopt on faith, without regard for the diligent epistemology that would confirm or refute the scientific accuracy of the beliefs in question.

It is often noted, for example, that Wikipedia is a cult which is not exactly a religion, but neither is it a well-grounded system of beliefs (or philosophical principles) and associated derivative practices.

The anachronistic and dysfunctional governance model of Wikipedia is a notable example of a failed system of beliefs and derivative practices.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 5:24am) *

I would go farther than Dan, to point out that religions are not the only variety of belief systems that people adopt on faith, without regard for the diligent epistemology that would confirm or refute the scientific accuracy of the beliefs in question.
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You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues.
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) *
You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues.

Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)?
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) *

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) *
You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues.

Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)?


Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world
Some of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"?
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QUOTE(Kwork @ Thu 6th May 2010, 10:24am) *

QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 6th May 2010, 2:46pm) *

QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 6th May 2010, 9:46am) *
You obviously have not acquainted yourself with scholars such as Nicholas of Kues.

Indeed I am not. But could you say more about his role in promoting diligent epistemology of arbitrary beliefs systems (including scientific beliefs, religious beliefs, secular political beliefs, and popular cultural beliefs)?


Islam may be the world's largest religion, and is certainly one of the largest. Apparently1.3-1.5 billion according to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world
Some of Islamic countries are very wealthy also. Why do you think that is "Speaking Trash to the Powerless"?


I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 6th May 2010, 3:30pm) *


I live in America. More than 99% of the users of this site and en.WP are from the the English speaking world and Europe. Muslims are a small and hard pressed minority in our society. They are easy to pick on and vilify. Almost no one will speak up if you do. I'm speaking up for my neighbors and countrymen who are Muslims.


I will speak up for Muslims, and for Arabs and for everybody who is discriminated against. I would have gladly gone to Iran or Syria to help people there to overcome murderous dictators, and
as I said above I do not believe there should be any images of the Prophet at all, if it hurts the feelings of Muslims, but I'd also say that Muslims should realize that the biggest enemies of Muslims are... well, Muslims themselves.

Muslims are murdering Muslims in schools, in mosques, at markets, in buses over and over and over again. People so used to this that they believe it is a norm, when a car bomb or a few are exploded in Iraq, or a suicide bomber strikes at a mosque in Pakistan. Why Muslim Egyptians are murdering Coptic Egyptians? They all are Arabs, a proud, ancient people with a great history, living in a beautiful country. Why they cannot live in peace with each others? If one day, they'll be able to do it, they will be able to live in peace with the rest of the world.
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Wed 2nd November 2011, 5:22pm) *

Muslims should realize that the biggest enemies of Muslims are... well, Muslims themselves.

Pretty much the only enemy of human beings worth mentioning is human beings themselves.

(Of course there are plenty of virus and bacteria that make for perfectly good enemies, but for some reason our collective priorities tend to somehow rank bombs over antibiotics).
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