New "Forest Fires of Discussion", Will Beback vs. Cla68 Options

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Then he goes to the ArbCom to complain that Cla68 is violating the Climate Change arbcom decision because he is commenting (not editing, just commenting) on an article about a "major climate change denier."

Statement is substantially true, no?

I'm pretty sure that LaRouche believes that global warming is scientific fraud. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're not wrong.

The term "denier" is a major Weasel word. Other than that, LaRouche does believe that anthropogenic global warming is a scientific fraud. That, however, is not what is at issue here. The question is whether Will suddenly developed an interest in LaRouche's views on this subject, because he thought he saw an opportunity to drive Cla68 away from LaRouche articles by gaming the CC arbcom decision.

[Cla68]

One of the problems with the LaRouche articles is that right now they appear to primarily represent the views on the topic, including the way that sources are represented, of Will Beback. That would be fine if he had done a good job of NPOV editing, but judging from the observations of most previously uninvolved editors who have commented on the current state of those articles, including Jayen, SilverSeren, Collect, and a few others, Will hasn't done a very good job at NPOV editing in those articles.

Now that a few editors are trying to fix it, he appears to be trying to fight it, and in the process he's showing what he is about to a large segment of Wikipedia's admin enforcement community. He doesn't seem to understand that compromise would be the way to go. For example, me and Jayen appear to agree that Chip Berlet's and Dennis King's published books are reliable sources. But, that doesn't seem to be good enough for him. That was one of the points of my ACTIVIST essay, which is that activist editors won't accept ambiguity. Instead, they want to establish the authority of their POV as Wikipedia's voice, and they can't accept anything less than that.

[Silver seren]

I totally expect to get in trouble for what I said at AE, since you're not supposed to actually outright say what's going on in an obvious situation. That's why everyone is tiptoeing around and avoiding saying the obvious on what's going on, that Will is trying to game the AE system.

[CharlotteWebb]

The term "denier" is a major Weasel word. Other than that, LaRouche does believe that anthropogenic global warming is a scientific fraud. That, however, is not what is at issue here. The question is whether Will suddenly developed an interest in LaRouche's views on this subject, because he thought he saw an opportunity to drive Cla68 away from LaRouche articles by gaming the CC arbcom decision.

LaRouche's views on climate change (and the environment in general) are unambiguous, known to all moderately familiar with him, and overdue for inclusion regardless of underlying motive.

The likelihood that a user added certain content chiefly to be a dick does not imply said content is an inch out of place.

[Zoloft]

The ... user ... dick ... is ... in... place.

Got your hidden meaning.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

There is clearly more to come, including some sort of "BADSITES revisited."

The cryptic comment by Cirt refers to this.

[Silver seren]

Will's AE request bombed quickly and is now closed.

That was fun.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

If Beback wants to quote Wikipedia Review discussions, he should be willing to disclose his off-Wiki communications with SlimVirgin so that those may be examined also.